Reverting to Form, Library Throwdown (almost)

Preface: I am currently in New York City, here to attend my daughter's Quincinera (though it will not be in the city).

Now...Since I came to New York on this trip, it has been more or less heavy snow. I love it, I tend to frequent tropical locales and try as you might you cannot cool off. It does NOT help things that I am a person who sweats extra heavily even without my opiate/opioid addiction. In cold weather though you simply pile on layers of clothes. The best thing, in New York, is the streets aren't crowded. This is great for me because I am a magnet for street drama.

If you haven't seen my profile photo I look like I am European, and am usually in the "hood" when I am in New York. The South Bronx is very tame compared to my youth but it still isn't a playground by any measure. An example...Yesterday I was on my way to the methadone clinic (in the US I am forced to enroll for my visits) to pick up my 5 bottles. It was early, I cannot go until after 12PM (12 to 630PM). I decided to go to the library. I walk in, get on the internet (I get tired of using handhelds).

I sit down. Immediately across from me is a kid, 18 or 19 maybe. Standing next to him is his friend, same age. Both are Puerto Rican but speaking in English:

PC Kid: Yo my nigga! Dem bitches aint doing shit! Whoa! Look at dis bitch's tits! Dem shits is sagging yo!

His Friend: Fuck it ma nigga, allz I'm seein' is dat pussy anywayz so what the fuck I care about a bitch's tits!!!?

PC Kid: Yo fa real ma nigga! Yooooooo!

At this point I very calmly and nicely ask them to speak quietly since elderly, women and children are also there. Sensing I am soft because I speak calmly, and appear to be a "whiteboy" they blow me off...

PC Kid (talking to his friend): Yo nigga I know this nigga aint talkin to me! Who da fuck he think he is?

I am not Rambo. I am only 5 foot 8 (in American speak), not particularly muscle bound, but hyper-aggressiveness is bred into me from my decade active service, etc. In the "West Bank" or Gaza you speak calmly and with respect BUT IF it isn't immediately reciprocated you need to immediately establish boundries firmly. In that vein I established my boundries:

Me:Yo motha-fucka you run your mouth to me I'll stomp your young ass in a heartbeat, I aint ya fucken friend, ya feel me?

Safe to say neither one of them expected that response. The people there, including 3 librarians didn't say a fuckem word or even look at them. All that "pussy-pussy/fuck-fuck" talk was taking place and noone had heart to say shit. I would like to think I did it for other people but behavior like that is like nails on the chalkboard to me.

So PC Kid only mumbles now and his froend was trying to grt him to shut up. They go outside. 2 or 3 minutes re-enter and back to the PC. I know not to make rye contact and press his pride, as long as he mumbles I let him get that off. Then an elderly Latino mam enters and sits beside PC Kid. The kids won't curse now but begin talking louder about nonsense. As long as the "pussy-pussy/fuck-fuck" stays gone I'm cool. The old man though? He speaks to PC Kid loudly in Spanish, telling him to calm diwn, no reason to get excited. PC Kid turns, for 2 or 3 seconds eyeballs the old man like he's about to talk wise. I'm thinking I'm just going to have to wax that young ass when PC Kid says , " Yo, you got that pops." Continuing in Spanish he says Latinos have to look out for Latinos," and laughs saying it and eaises his head and looks directly at me thinking I don't understand Spanish. My English is accented but my Spanish is perfect:

"Hoye, quires algo conmigo nene?" (Hey, kid u want something from me?)

He literally said, " Ohhhhhhhh shittttttt!" Hahaha. About 20 seconds later he realised he had me pegged incorrectly and maybe there were other unexpected things.

The old man look at me and said in Spanish, "These kids just have no respect."

I answered matter of factly, in Spanish, "I know sir. I have 7 children and my 4 eldest are older than these 2 kids."

Then PC Kid tried to salvage hus burgeoning manhood: "Yo nigga this nigga really thinking I'm soft" (but not saying it loudly. Then his friend finally decided to say something to me:

"Aint nobody soft here mistah. You thing wrong mistah."

Me: (Contuing to type on the PC) "OK, anything else?"

At this point the main librarian decided to chime in. Even I was suprised when she said, " Take it outside." I would have thought that she would have threatened to have the kids arrested but she sounded like she was encouraging a fight haha. Her 2 clerks then said the same thing, "Take it outside." So the 2 kids told me that when I come out they will "fuck me up." I said, "OK papa, mwaaah" and gave a kiss. I put my Blackberry in my Carhart's inside pocket. Double tied my workboots and tucked the ends inside, zipped my hoodie and Carhart and was outside in about 60 seconds. I expected to throw down but they weren't even in sight. I looked around and what do I see? The 3 librarians and other faces looking with anticipation. I turned to the window where the 3 women librarians had their beady eyes and coughed up some nice phlegm and spit it on the window and scared the shit out of them hahaha.

Treat me nice I treat you nicer, treat me bad and I treat you BADDEST" as the Jewish proverb goes. Co-incidentally that is the library where my Sidekick was stolen precipitating another "situation."

OK, I later thought about it as I walked to the clinic and I was angry with myself. The library is literally 2 blocks from the 40th Police Precinct. If I won, or lost, I would have been jailed either way if those shit heads were under age 18. The fact that both were easily over 6 feet and that they walked with pants around their asses, there is no legal excuse unless they jumped me without my saying a word. Then I can kill them but what I dud was simply stupid.

I went to the clinic. As I wait for my number to be called and pick up my bottles I saw something that cheered me up. A woman walks to the counter where the numbers are handed out and turns ib a bottle of methadone she had just found. I would have bet money no addict would do that. It's akin to a junkie walking up to a dealer to return an extra 2 bags. My momentary cheer dissipated when the junkie who had lost it went to claim it and didn't even thank the girl! Typical in my mind.

So I left, took the subway. After switching trains I am about to take an empty seat when a Latino man tries to literally push me away and take it. I said excuse me calmly and shoulder checked him, knocking him half off his feet and then I sat down.

The "man" turned out to be a rather masculine looking man of about 50 (I am almost 44). He/she turned around 180 degrees (standing) and snered at me nodding his or her head as if to say, "Tsk, tsk, tsk." Stupidly I snarled, "What da fuck you lookin' at?" She kept nodding her head but didn't look at me again. I hate this city.

The thing is, when 1 person is at the center of a dynamic they are usually the defining factor. In other words, if I get into fights often it must be because of how I am. However, I travel the world and the only place that this EVER happens is New York City!

So...my conclusion is that it is having to do with American racism. I look like a white square and tend to be in the "hood." Racism cuts all different angles. Black on white, brown on white, whatever.

I get to leave very soon so it is all good, as long as I step outside of situations.
 
They (street people of all ethnicities) play the same games here. Somebody (maybe a homeless or a fake dress-up homeless, early 20s) just tried to pick a fight with me near the end of Haight by Goldne gate park. Completely unprovoked, he jumped out in front of me and stared at me. I side-stepped him, then he says: "So you're just going to get out of me way!". Then I keep walking, and watch him to make sure he isn't sneaking up behind me, then listening for him to make a move, but he's walking away. Then 50 yards later, he starts yelling at me COME ON! COME ON!
Just like your library, the police station is about 100 yards away from the spot.
Anyway, never fight them. Their game is to provoke you, get you to fight. They don't care if who wins; that's not the point.
Whether you win or lose, you're still fscked. Because when the police come, their friends will come out of the woodwork and tell the cops you started it and they get YOU arrested and thrown into jail.
Also, I've been told that some of the men who go around picking fights are certain gay street people who get off on this for another reason. They like jail. And a bonus for them is to get you locked up with them. I realize I'm homophobic for saying this, but better safe than sorry.
 
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socko said:
Also, I've been told that some of the men who go around picking fights are gay street people. They go around picking fights. Also, they like to go to jail for certain reasons. A bonus for them is to get you locked up with them. I realize I'm homophobic for saying this, but better safe than sorry.

I'm sorry but that is one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a long time. I am a straight male, I've lived just south of SF in Santa Cruz, I used to practically live in the SF I was there so much, have a lot of friends up there. I was also involved with various drug-using social circles both the party-types and the junky-types, so I have a lot of experience with the homeless there and here.

Thats pretty much a baseless and truthless statement. I'm sure it has happened before, at least once. Maybe a couple of times. That in no way means that, Thats what gay homeless men in San Francisco. Yes, that statement is both homophobic and prejudiced.

Try not to be so gullible too.
 
Lighten up. Some scumbag just tried to pick a fight with me. I need to rant and blow off some steam. And I did not mean all gay homeless men. I was told that some, obviously not a large proportion, of them do it. Maybe it's a lie, I don't know. But after what just happened, i'm apt to take that guy's warning somewhat seriously. I prefer to be prejudiced (and assume that any thug who tries to pick a fight with me is depraved and has the absolute worst intentions) avoid all violence than to let someone provoke me and end up in jail.
 
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Well then use your intellect to have some original thought. Do you believe anything and everything people say? If not, then you should think about things when people say them to you, and which parts of those things are likely to be true, and which parts of them are likely to be untrue.

I'm not disputing that what you said happened to you, and what happened to you probably happens pretty often. What the other guy added to that, is they are usually gay, they like going to jail, and they want to go to jail with you so that they can rape you. Fear-mongering. You don't know if he way gay. You don't know if he wanted to go to jail. You don't know if he was intending on raping you.
 
Its offensive to anyone here that happens to be a homosexual, and its just unnecessary homophobia. Thats the only reason for the bluntness.
 
What the other guy added to that, is they are usually gay, they like going to jail,
He did not say that ALL or MOST of the street people who go around picking fights are gay. He said that some (I interpretted this as a small lpercentage of the people who go around picking fights) of them are and that they do this because they have a fetish for prison sex.

Maybe it's a lie or an urban legend. Fine. He said it. It sunk in. That thought that it could be true, no matter how unlikely, helps me avoid conflicts. I'm gullible and homophobic. I'm OK with that. But I'm not the one going around picking fights. If you or anyone is offended by my comments, you can report them to a moderator. It doesn't matter to me. I did not intend to be offensive.
 
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Perhaps many different things going on. As far as homophobia...NYC has changed so much. In the 80s a man would risk a beatdown even on Gay Street (actual name) in the Village if he held hands with another guy. Now? They neck on the subway though they get laughed at. Interestingly, lesbians do it everywhere and noone cares, I think it has always been like that.

Socko: If a gay wanted to go to jail he could throw a brick through a shoppe window. Probably just some mentally ill guy. One tome, when I had just moved to NY in the 90s, I. Was sitting at a bus stop across from St.Barnabas Hospital. It was a winter day and the streets were empty. Some Puerto Rican is walking in the middle of the street carrying a machete, slicing the air vigorously. I am so stupid sometimes. I just sat there looking at him, he stumbles over to me and he said in English: "Why you not afraid of me???" I replied, "Why should I be?" He was shocked but said, "I like that." Just as calm as can be. I advised him to put it away unless he wanted to get arrested, he agreed, but kept it in his. Hand. Life in the big city. It is probably why I love Mindanao so much. In places where everyone carries assault rifles people don't act rude. Hmmm, it would make a nice fortune cookie maxim, yes?
 
After venting and stepping back for a few days, it's interesting how my perception of the event changes. I agree, yes probably just some mentally ill guy. The other scenario is extremely unlikely, schizoid even, although it seemed real at the time. The person who told me that story was a homeless tweaker I was knew for a short time while I was doing some of my own "urban backpacking." He was full of information - where to sleep/squat, where to get food, to cop, etc. But now you've got me wondering what other bad information he gave me.

As for homophobia, I think the rules (as well as the rights) should apply equally to gay and straight people. I don't think anyone (whether they are a gay couple or a straight couple) should make-out in an extremely public place like a subway. It's nasty and inconsiderate. No, they should not be beaten or abused for that (like in the Village in the 1980s). Just get a room. Public hand holding and some public kissing (gay or straight) does not bother me.

So, how is your daughter's Quincinera coming along? Has it happened yet? They are fairly common in california with so many people here with Mexican and colonial Spanish backgrounds.
 
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