Secobarbital...well, oddly enough my dad got it prescribed for back surgery, and I ended up finding the bottle when cleaning some of his things out. There were a few left so I figured I'd take them as a cleaning fee.
Outside of clomethiazole and glutethimide, I haven't found evidence of any of these existing in clandestine spaces which sucks. I get why ethchlorvynol, meprobamate, carisoprodol, methyprylon and ethinimate aren't made on the street though, the synthetic routes are pretty menacing compared to other sedatives of similar pharmacokinetic profiles.
Soma is an odd ball and you can find much discussion and theories about what does and doesn't kick it in from heavy abusers of it in the 1990s. Sometimes you take 12 and feel almost nothing. Sometimes you take 3 and it puts you on your ass. That's always been my experience with it as well. When it did work it was really nice when stacked with other CNS depressants (opioid, benzos, alcohol etc.).
Is there also an issue of obtaining precursors for local production?
had this issue a lot, at first I thought it was lack of consistency in indian generics manufacturing causing hot spots in the pills.
from the 70-ties orso. Posted about it a while ago on the site https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/health-benefit-from-opiates-opioids.877250/post-14667548
had this issue a lot, at first I thought it was lack of consistency in indian generics manufacturing causing hot spots in the pills.
but since swapping to taking them sublingually I've gotten a much more consistent experience - I think this helps it hit harder and faster.
from what I've read food shouldn't have an effect but it certainly works better/faster for me on an empty stomach.
DailyMed - SOMA- carisoprodol tablet
dailymed.nlm.nih.gov
"Food Effect - Co-administration of a high-fat meal with SOMA (350 mg tablet) had no effect on the pharmacokinetics of carisoprodol. Therefore, SOMA may be administered with or without food."
1 thing that AI returns (so take with a pinch of salt but it makes sense to me), your hydration level makes a difference, if you are dehydrated then blood plasma levels of carisoprodol will be higher making it hit harder.
and then anything you are taking that messes with CYP2C19 will have an effect as well e.g. grapefruit.
The last thing is time between doses, Meprobamate halflife is ~10 hours, but will be around longer (think it's detectable in blood up to 48 hours), so you may be stacking dosing to create an extra effect without realising it.
Yeah, placidyl was a fave for me. I can't honestly say I ever enjoyed downers as much as I hoped ( ludes and barbs), but placidyl, yes. Not sure why I felt differently about them
Secobarbital I felt was on the whole more sedating but also more boring than sodium barbital. There was some reduction in social anxiety, it had more of a social lubricant feel than butalbital or sodium barbital, but I didn't feel like it made me particularly clever or anything. But one similarity with sodium barbital I did find was that when I laid down, once again I couldn't feel my pulse.
great source and tip thanks, might have to go and look down this rabbit hole a bit, sounds interesting!
How would you characterize or compare/contrast placidyl relative to other substances?
I've used Mexican, Indian, and American produced Soma and all are the same from my perspective, and the perspectives of the countless people I've had try them as well.
I've used a lot of Soma in my life. I'm actively prescribed it, total amount of tablets easily in the thousands at this point. I was terminally ill until 16 y/o, 27 y/o right now and just got out of surgery #19 about 10 weeks ago. I'm doing alright for now, but I bring those things up to explain why I'm currently prescribed: bupropion, cyclobenzaprine, carisoprodol, buspirone, aripiprazole, gabapentin and promethazine, to treat an exceptionally nuanced and complicated series of damages from medical malpractice from surgeons on 7 separate occasions out of those 19 surgeries (never get operations in Maine I'm begging you). Ok, preface done, my hunch as to why people think Somas are weak from here or from there is because of how rapidly and intensely tolerance forms. I would guess that tolerance can triple within 10 days of consistent use, as when I begin using Soma 2.5g is the point where I get the classic Soma shakes, however after dose escalating for 10 days I can eat 6-7 full grams in a day without any issue. There are tons of dumbasses on Instagram and Reddit who say "I take my Adderall every single day, exactly like my doctor tells me to, but it stopped working!" and now they're ranging from antisemitic conspiracists to legal nuisances filing class action lawsuits when, the reality of the situation is that they formed a tolerance yet did not alter the dose. It bothers me how much folks will listen to the American medical system's advice to take every medicine they're prescribed every day, when the reality of the situation is that tolerance formation plays a significant role in how you need to time things.
In a way, I feel like there was a sort of society-wide, tacit "kayfabe" going on that has faded very recently. I got out of high school in 2017 and college in 2021, when I was in high school no pro athletes talked about their PED use, by time I was in college though everybody including myself and professionals. Now it's gone to the point of where people will use rather suspicious peptide stacks and the sort without any real exercise, diet, or biometric monitoring and that's what scares me about things in this current moment.
It's been a LONG time so I'm not sure I can accurately remember but it seems like I felt more euphoric and had more fun. I've always had a fond memory of them, but not barbs and quaaludes
Glad you're heading in the right direction after that journey and surgeries!
Once you get down the rabbit hole it's really interesting because most of them regularly traveled together as a large group on airplanes or in groups of 3-6 on the road. So you'll get the perspective of multiple people that witnessed the same incident. There is the famous "plane ride from hell" that got the WWF sued by multiple flight attendants and I think the airliner itself. There were actually multiple "plane rides from hell" over the years. But the famous one is a story about them flying the entire group that went on a tour of the UK/EU back to America. They went through three or four fully stocked liquor carts on the way home. Which they drank on top of all the pharma pills they were taking. Several people got dosed without knowing it because those guys would do that to each other as a joke all of the time.