Restoring hormone balance?

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Drewyoung

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Dealing with high estrogen levels and mid range testosterone, did a cycle four months ago and didn't pct properly resulting in my condition.

Testosterone was 550
Estrogen 180

My question is- Is this a result of low testosterone after cycling off with high estrogen levels, or is it more my estrogen levels are raising because of lack of testosterone

I started taking Clomid and Nolvadex to help out my testosterone

running:

Clomid:50/50/25/25
Nolvadex: 20/20/10/10

I understand that neither of those serm's will lower my estrogen levels, have ordered aromasin in order to do this. Still weighing out the dosage.

Last question is after I have reached healthy levels of both t and e will my hormones keep their balance and mellow out a little reaching normal levels? Or will my estrogen just climb thru the roof again also dropping my testosterone. Wasn't the problem an imbalance in the first place? and when I correct the balance the will level out, or will I always have to use the supps to keep the balance?
 
Your estrogen levels aren't raising because a lack of testosterone. I'm assuming you did not run an anti-e while on, so your estrogen got very high. Your test level is not great but its not that bad either. I would take the aromasin until your estrogen level drops much lower (40 or under). You could also look at letrozole. When you get bloods done again you could also check lh and fsh to get a greater picture of what is going on.
 
Afraid I didnt. So my estrogen levels were raised in order to even out the excessive testosterone from the supps? And getting off of it my estrogen remained high while my testosterone wasnt fully recovered. So if Im correct I should be able to run aromasin with clomid and nolvadex to restore balance "dropping estrogen and increasing testosterone". I guess my biggest question is will my body keep those low levels of estrogen because of my healthy testosterone levels, or after ending treatment will they just bounce back up to where they are now? Do hormones generally stay in the same range, or will it fluctuate.
 
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Yeah I understand it isn't a quick fix, but if Im correct I will need to lower those estrogen levels in order to obtain testosterone production. Which is where Im at high estrogen mediocre test
 
Your body produces estrogen from testosterone via aromatase enzyme. Move testosterone = more estrogen, unless you run an aromatase inhibitor (aromasin, arimidex, letrozole). High estrogen takes a long time to come down on its own. Your primary goal now is to lower estrogen.
 
Got it, as far as dosing what would you say? Im already taking the clomid and nolvadex, about to taper down tomorrow to 25 on clomid and 10 on nolvadex. Planning on running aromasin with it at 25/25/12/12. Should I continue aromasin a week or two after to make sure my estrogen stays low or should I stop them around the sametime. In my mind Id like to stop the serm while tapering off the ai that way my testosterone can find its natural spot and when its at healthy level on its own come off the aromasin and my estrogen will fall into line with my natural test levels.
 
Were you running Clomid when you did your bloodwork? That would make E2 levels show up as higher than what it really is (and 180 is quiet high). Either way, I think aromasin is your best bet followed by letrozole if that doesn't work, like pman suggested. Estrogen is usually a little elevated for some time after you get off SERMs while the E2 receptors upregulate. The SERMS will not help you reduce your estrogen levels. I think you should taper down the SERM now, start the aromasin and run it for a least 4 weeks. Get bloodwork done at that point and you'll have a better idea if you need to continue for longer, stop or move to letrozole.
 
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Got it, as far as dosing what would you say? Im already taking the clomid and nolvadex, about to taper down tomorrow to 25 on clomid and 10 on nolvadex. Planning on running aromasin with it at 25/25/12/12. Should I continue aromasin a week or two after to make sure my estrogen stays low or should I stop them around the sametime. In my mind Id like to stop the serm while tapering off the ai that way my testosterone can find its natural spot and when its at healthy level on its own come off the aromasin and my estrogen will fall into line with my natural test levels.
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With reference to your first post you stated your current levels were:

Testosterone was 550
Estrogen 180

The ranges I've got in front of me are:

Testosterone 240-827 ng/dl
Estrogen 50-200 pmol/L

Can't see what the problem is, they seem pretty normal, E2 is a bit on the high side but it's still within range...!!!

Can I assume you didn't use correct PCT post cycle and started a couple of weeks ago on Clomid 50mg/day and Nolva 20mg/day and tomorrow you're gonna drop them both to 25mg + 10mg ..?

If you want my advice, I'd drop the lot........ Aromasin (exemestane) and Femera (letrozole) are pretty potent compounds and can lower serum E2 levels by 85% and 78% respectively... You don't really want to be playing around with E2 levels any more than you have to, especially considering there's not much of a problem to begin with..?

E2 will be excreted via the kidneys in due course, let your body naturally stabilise its own hormonal balance....

my 2c....
 
Thanks for the advice.

No I had the bloodwork done before I started the serm

Was experiencing mood swings "wanted to cry for no reason" no sex drive, and noticed a little bit more fat. No gyno thank god.

Yeah I picked up the clomid and nolvadex before I had the blood work results.

Just wanted to make sure my balls weren't partially suppressed from past supps.

and now Im tapering off bc theres no real need for it and its just keeping my e2 high as well.

Going to be my last cycle, I just want to get my hormones back in healthy levels.

So I'm tapering off serm and running 4 weeks of aromison.

Any other advice? dose on aromison or will 25/25/12/12 be fine?
 
Drewyoung said:
Thanks for the advice.

No I had the bloodwork done before I started the serm

Was experiencing mood swings "wanted to cry for no reason" no sex drive, and noticed a little bit more fat. No gyno thank god.

Yeah I picked up the clomid and nolvadex before I had the blood work results.

Just wanted to make sure my balls weren't partially suppressed from past supps.

and now Im tapering off bc theres no real need for it and its just keeping my e2 high as well.

Going to be my last cycle, I just want to get my hormones back in healthy levels.

So I'm tapering off serm and running 4 weeks of aromison.

Any other advice? dose on aromasin or will 25/25/12/12 be fine?
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If I give advice will you listen...?

I've worked on these figures:

Testosterone 240-827 ng/dl
Estrogen 50-200 pmol/L

Double check your Test was measured ng/dl and estrogen pmol/L

If so you've bugger all to worry about....!!!!!

What was your cycle if you don't mind me asking..? Did it include a 19-nor (like Deca/Tren)

As per my previous advice estrogen seems to have stabilised to within accepted range... Why fuck with it now..???
Aromasin and Femera are potent compounds, you can potentially reduce E2 levels by as much as 85%.. What do you think will happen when you do that..?
There is a very real possibility E2 levels will rebound stronger after inhibition, throwing E2/Test ratio out of whack until the axis stabilises...
 
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Genetic Freak said:
If I give advice will you listen...?

I've worked on these figures:

Testosterone 240-827 ng/dl
Estrogen 50-200 pmol/L

Double check your Test was measured ng/dl and estrogen pmol/L

If so you've bugger all to worry about....!!!!!

What was your cycle if you don't mind me asking..? Did it include a 19-nor (like Deca/Tren)

As per my previous advice estrogen seems to have stabilised to within accepted range... Why fuck with it now..???
Aromasin is a potent compound, you can potentially reduce E2 levels by as much as 85%.. What do you think will happen when you do that..?
There is a very real possibility E2 levels will rebound stronger after inhibition, throwing E2/Test ratio out of whack until the axis stabilises...
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Product was war hammer by war pharma, dont remember contents as it was several months ago. My E2 is within range but it is very high too dont ya think. And isnt aromasin a sucidial inhibitor giving there no chance of rebound unlike arimedex and others. Im not trying to wipe out my e just trying to lower it.

How long does it take for e to lower naturally?
 
Drewyoung said:
Product was war hammer by war pharma, dont remember contents as it was several months ago. My E2 is within range but it is very high too dont ya think. And isnt aromasin a sucidial inhibitor giving there no chance of rebound unlike arimedex and others. Im not trying to wipe out my e just trying to lower it.

How long does it take for e to lower naturally?
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You've been on a cycle, but you have no idea what you were injecting..? You're asking advice about raised E2, but now accept your levels are within range... You're considering permanently knocking out the enzyme responsible for synthesising estrogen....

VOXIDE......I'm sure one of our most knowledgeable and respected members can offer a suitable response !!!!!!!
 
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