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StoneHappyMonday said:
True. And so many parliamentary elections have been won on the single issue of rights for gays haven't they.

Sidetrack, sidetrack.
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You keep saying i'm sidetracking, but what exactly are you trying to get at with this thread? Are we meant to be jumping for joy that this bellend is back into parliament or something? I don't get it?!
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
You keep saying i'm sidetracking, but what exactly are you trying to get at with this thread? Are we meant to be jumping for joy that this bellend is back into parliament or something? I don't get it?!
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Then just re-read my OP. I just refuse to join in with your desperate attempts to smear him and peoples refusal to acknowledge he's made differences to people's lives.

I also call him an egotistical prick.

Go figure.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Then just re-read my OP. I just refuse to join in with your desperate attempts to smear him and peoples refusal to acknowledge he's made differences to people's lives.

I also call him an egotistical prick.

Go figure.
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Ok then. You can hardly claim this as a success for non-mainstream politics when it was won entirely off of the back of the general resentment and disenfranchisement of a small enclave of Pakistanis. If he had stood anywhere else in the country, apart from maybe Tower Hamlets or Bethnal Green, he would have been lucky to get 10% of the votes. I am not against his aid work (even though he does try and use that to trollllll), but his parliamentary work leaves a lot to be desired, and I think you'd have a very hard time quantifying anything he has achieved there.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
but his parliamentary work leaves a lot to be desired, and I think you'd have a very hard time quantifying anything he has achieved there.
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He's in a minority of 1 FFS, how do you expect to 'quantify' any parliamentary success?

Fact is he's held regular surgeries even when not an MP and has dealt with probably thousands of complaints from people in poverty (Housing, Social etc). And still finds the time to go on TV (Press TV when its not banned) and articulate world politics.

Ok then. You can hardly claim this as a success for non-mainstream politics when it was won entirely off of the back of the general resentment and disenfranchisement of a small enclave of Pakistanis.
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Not just Pakistanis. And you sound resentful these people should even gain representation as they don't agree with you.

That's nice.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
He's in a minority of 1 FFS, how do you expect to 'quantify' any parliamentary success.

Fact is he's held regular surgeries even when not an MP and has dealt with probably thousands of complaints from people in poverty (Housing, Social etc). And still finds the time to go on TV (Press TV when its not banned) and articulate world politics.
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Right, so by ignoring the first part of my post I assume you accept this is no great success for non-mainstream policies? Great, with that out of the way we can carry on with your other points.

Erm, you have just made a small rough list of what every single MP does... And he goes on TV regularly to make an arse of himself and chat shit to hype up his public profile? We are soooo lucky to have him in UK politics. Where would this country be without him?
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
And he goes on TV regularly to make an arse of himself and chat shit to hype up his public profile?
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He's a brilliant orator, recently made a Sky news reporter look thick (youtube it) and hosts a phone-in programme on Press TV where people have their say.

Name another MP who does this on TV?
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Wtf are you on about?
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You snipped off the first part and didn't respond to it, which I take to mean you no longer disagree with me on that point? There are plenty of other people who are good at speaking who make reporters look like twats, it's hardly a trait I look for in someone who is going to be voting on key social issues on my behalf. But there you go.
 
There have been plenty of people in strong political positions of power (Hitler etc) who wre incredibly smart and excellent at public speaking, yet having truly abhorrent views and - well - killing a load of people.

Bad example I know but was all I could come up with right now..

So, conversely you can have someone you think is a complete idiot, yet politics suits them and they can do it well :)
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
You snipped off the first part and didn't respond to it, which I take to mean you no longer disagree with me on that point?
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Oh please. I answered the point of your first sentence. Something about Pakistanis not counting because they don't agree with you. Have the last word, however irrelevant. You seem to have a need for it.
 
effie said:
There have been plenty of people in strong political positions of power (Hitler etc) who wre incredibly smart and excellent at public speaking, yet having truly abhorrent views and - well - killing a load of people.

Bad example I know but was all I could come up with right now..

So, conversely you can have someone you think is a complete idiot, yet politics suits them and they can do it well :)
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It's funny you should mention that, I got into an argument on another forum where a lot of Chinese posters were saying the Mao was awesome :|
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Oh please. I answered the point of your first sentence. Something about Pakistanis not counting because they don't agree with you. Have the last word, however irrelevant. You seem to have a need for it.
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I didn't see that because you tacked it on after I replied... It's not that I don't think that Pakistani's shouldn't have a voice or anything, i'm saying they don't in any way represent wider society. They vote off the back of completely different issues to everyone else, because their religion and culture is the be all and end all of anything they do or care about. I mean we are talking about a community where up to 50% of people marry a close family member despite the fact their abnormality rates are through the roof... and yet we are meant to be surprised they voted in Galloway, as if that means anything?

[edit] My mistake, 75% of Pakistanis in Bradford marry a close relative.
 
Bradford West has

It has the largest concentration of Pakistanis (34.6 per cent) of any constituency,
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That includes under 18's. So if every over 18 voted for Galloway (which they obviously didn't) that leaves a fair percentage of pissed off (non-Pakistani) people with mainstream politics.

Stop playing your stupid racist card.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Bradford West has



That includes under 18's. So if every over 18 voted for Galloway (which they obviously didn't) that leaves a fair percentage of pissed off (non-Pakistani) people with mainstream politics.

Stop playing your stupid racist card.
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The constituency is 64k strong... half turned out. Galloway got 18k. So yes, some white people definitely voted for him. But let's not lie to ourselves, without a substantial turn out from the Pakistani group in his favour he would not have won. You know full well he wouldn't have won anywhere else in the country without a similar demographic. Pakistanis quite often vote enmasse for the people they are told to vote for at Mosque.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Pakistanis quite often vote enmasse for the people they are told to vote for at Mosque.
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The Mosques said "Vote Labour"

There is considerable variation between West’s wards. White people comprise 94 per cent of the population of Thornton & Allerton and 84 per cent in Clayton & Fairweather Green, but only 24 per cent in Manningham and 26 per cent in Toller. The majority in Toller and Manningham were of Pakistani origin (64 per cent and 59 per cent) and City also had an Asian-origin majority. Heaton sits in the middle, with 65 per cent white, 26 per cent Pakistani and 6 per cent other Asian.
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this by-election was a freak result that could have happened in only a handful of seats in the land. But even freaks and blips can illuminate some more general and deeper trends.
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Obscured by the Labour disaster, Bradford West was also a pasting for the coalition parties, particularly the Conservatives. The drop in the combined coalition parties vote share was very large – 29.9 per cent. In most by-elections so far this parliament the drop has been between 11 and 15 percentage points, with Bradford beating Barnsley Central (22.2 per cent) as the by-election showing the biggest fall in coalition support. While the Liberal Democrats have always been weak in Bradford West, other than a post-Iraq flicker in Manningham, there has been a substantial and stable Conservative vote in Bradford West for decades, which suddenly disappeared in the by-election. Since 1974 the Conservative vote has varied between 31 and 39 per cent, but it has now collapsed to 8 per cent.
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