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[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

^ wondered how long it would be before you popped in MSB :D

It's irresitable. He is in politics purely for the self promotion. He would get down on his knees and deep throat any community, no matter how crazy, just to get back into parliament.

 

[effie]

I'd like to see this thread continue in an interesting and level headed way if possible - of course debate is absolutely fine, but no mud slinging if you can help it guys :D

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

All politicians cosy up to dictators as you well know.

And 7/7 seems to be not quite straightforward as a few million people think. Don't sidetrack this debate.

I don't think politicians cosy up to dictators quite so blatantly as he does. He said 7/7 was the obvious consequence of our actions abroad, which isn't on. That just validates what they did, and it makes it pretty obvious why he would gain this seat in Bradford. I'm also quite sure that they lapped up his comments on British soldiers, much like he lapped up milk on BB dressed as a cat, too.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I don't think politicians cosy up to dictators quite so blatantly as he does. He said 7/7 was the obvious consequence of our actions abroad, which isn't on.

A) Yes they do.

B) Yes it was.

End of sidetrack.

it makes it pretty obvious why he would gain this seat in Bradford.

You obviously had a large bet with that confidence and won lots of money. Or are you just wise after the event?

 

[spudgun]

Galloway has had more positive individual effects on (particulalrly Muslim and impoverished).

No it hasn't. He's exploited grievances felt by these groups for cheap gains. You can tell that people who play upon identity politics in such a transparent way, feeding on tensions without offering a credible way of uniting and going forward, are only in it for themselves.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

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Go and ask round Whitechapel, Bethnal Green and Bow.

You can tell that people who play upon identity politics in such a transparent way, feeding on tensions without offering a credible way of uniting and going forward, are only in it for themselves.

You mean the gaggle of posh Labour MP's representing northern working-class communities?

No, you probably don't.

 

[Myshkin]

Cunts like him have the most pernicious effect on leftist causes.

No, I'd argue that factionalism, infighting, careerism, and egos of the lower-profile (yet ultimately just as swollen) variety have a far more pernicious effect on leftist causes. From student union level onwards. Not to mention the backlashes that always occur whenever one of 'ours' becomes a mainstream public figure.

Galloway's egotism may rub some people up the wrong way, but anybody who doesn't see it as (at least in part) a device for furthering his causes are completely missing the point. Like it or not, we live in the age of personality politics.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

^

Indeed. The left virtually invented sectarianism.

 

[Shambles]

Galloway can definitely be a loathesome turd sometimes... but I'd rather have him as an MP than in a leotard. Like any politicunt he's definitely got a touch of the stoatweasel about him but compared to the competition... More plusses than minuses for me. Not by a huge amount but definitely in positive territory.

 

[spudgun]

^

You mean the gaggle of posh Labour MP's representing northern working-class communities?

No, you probably don't.

I don't follow. I hate what's happened to Labour, but I don't think they're any way near as guilty of exploiting schisms in the working class community. And I don't see class as being the problem - Tony Benn is a proper toff.

P.s I live in Whitechapel, so I'll make sure i'll 'ask around' whatever that might mean.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

A) Yes they do.

B) Yes it was.

End of sidetrack.



You obviously had a large bet with that confidence and won lots of money. Or are you just wise after the event?

I didn't even know it was happening, I am saying they obviously didn't vote for him because of any of his left wing policies. They voted for him purely because he is so outspoken on Muslim issues... To say that we deserved or should have expected 7/7 is like saying that Afghanistan got what they deserved after 9/11, and i'm sure you wouldn't say that would you? At least it follows that it is common sense for a superpower to enter the country where the terrorism was exported from to stop it happening again, 7/7 served no purpose whatsoever. I guess Norway should have expected Breivik to go on his killing spree because it is an obvious consequence of letting so many immigrants in? Right?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

P.s I live in Whitechapel, so I'll make sure i'll 'ask around' whatever that might mean.

Er, I thought my English was quite explicit. "Ask around".

And buy some qat while you're at it.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

To say that we deserved or should have expected 7/7 is like saying that Afghanistan got what they deserved after 9/11, and i'm sure you wouldn't say that would you? At least it follows that it is common sense for a superpower to enter the country where the terrorism was exported from

The terrorism was exported from Saudi Arabia. For some reason, we didn't bomb them. Maybe we should have made up for it by bombing Bradford/Luton after 7/7.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

The terorism was exported from Saudi Arabia. For some reason, we didn't bomb them. Maybe we should have made up for it by bombing Bradford/Luton after 7/7.

I think the point of going to Afghanistan was that it was a lawless country where they were trained, and were still being trained, and are still being trained today? I agree that Saudi definitely had more than it's fair share to play, but the government there is at least partially trying to do something about terrorism - whereas in Afghanistan they had the full support of the government.

 

[Mental Kenny]

I don't get all the hatred for UKIP, they're quite Libertarian and very far from being fascist, I believe it's a bit childish to define them as such, maybe they have some slightly xenophobic elements but that's that. Anyway Nigel Farage is such a massive legend, there's some videos of him speaking in the EU parliament, I loved how he ripped apart Gordon Brown once.

 

[effie]

University is a breeding ground for political shit, whether you know/care about politics or not - however the few meetings I went to (tried a few left wing ones) - were chock-full of wet behind the ear 18 year olds asking random questions and probably still drunk from the night before!!

A few of myy fellow students were very into it all, but back then it was stuents trying to be cool. I currently have a good friend selling anarchism to me - must admit the principle appeals very much, but the logisics is the main stumbling and this went from > banning.

Better students are interested in this at all I guess, even if trying to look awesome and intellectual

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

^ (MSB)

This is getting sidetracked but all I can see Saudi 'doing something' about terrorism is sending in the tanks to stop Bahrainis protesting for democracy.

And I'm sorry, but back to the point, your claim of easily understanding Galloways victory would have carried far more weight if you'd made it yesterday. As I'm sure you would if you, as a political science graduate, had have known it was on. 8(

 

[Shambles]

I don't get all the hatred for UKIP, they're quite Libertarian and very far from being fascist, I believe it's a bit childish to define them as such, maybe they have some slightly xenophobic elements but that's that. Anyway Nigel Farage is such a massive legend, there's some videos of him speaking in the EU parliament, I loved how he ripped apart Gordon Brown once.

UKIP: "Libertarian, non-racist party..." - if you have to remind voters you're not a racist party in the first three words of your website you're a racist party.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Anyway Nigel Farage is such a massive legend,

True. No-one's ever going to forget that plane crash on polling day.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

^ (MSB)

This is getting sidetracked but all I can see Saudi 'doing something' about terrorism is sending in the tanks to stop Bahrainis protesting for democracy.

And I'm sorry, but back to the point, your claim of easily understanding Galloways victory would have carried far more weight if you'd made it yesterday. As I'm sure you would if you, as a political science graduate, had have known it was on. 8(

I'm a history graduate who did some modules in political science mate I wasn't trying to say that I have some sort of crystal ball, and knew this would happen. I am saying it is obvious why they voted for him, and it definitely wasn't because he voted for equal rights for gays - that's for sure.