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Research chemical question

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curriouslikeacat

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Hello, im very new to research chemicals and had a few questions.
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but i hope i can get some answers.

Are there any RCs that have similar effects to Cocaine or Ketamine.
Hopefully i can find one of each.
Please help me???
 
use the search engine, there's a shit load of info on RC's that are similar to any drug you can think of. i'm sure you'll find a RC thats right for you.
 
I'm sure if you search you'll find things similar to cocaine, ketamine might be a bit different. I can't think of anything off the top of my head but they might be out there.
 
there are certainly a lot of chems out there that are NMDA antagonists like ketamine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative

I don't know about finding one that also has affinity to mu and sigma receptors.
Someone with more knowledge on this topic will have to respond. I seem to see a lot of chems that are one or the the other, NMDA antagonist but lacking opioid acivity or strong opioid activity with little NMDA activity.
 
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well, we need some opiate-like RC's, ones that can even keep withdrawals at bay and is cheap.

it'd be the next biggest thing, especially if it was shootable and had a rush and all the traits of like heroin. but I've never heard of one, they can make ones like cocaine, meth, and even WEED all day long, but how come no opiate like ones?

closest thing I've heard of, and its not even an RC, but it was sold around the net and it was fentanyl on blotter paper, like acid. I never got one, so I don't know the legitimacy of it, but people said they were good. but its not an RC.
 
TokinDerrick said:
well, we need some opiate-like RC's, ones that can even keep withdrawals at bay and is cheap.

it'd be the next biggest thing, especially if it was shootable and had a rush and all the traits of like heroin. but I've never heard of one, they can make ones like cocaine, meth, and even WEED all day long, but how come no opiate like ones?

closest thing I've heard of, and its not even an RC, but it was sold around the net and it was fentanyl on blotter paper, like acid. I never got one, so I don't know the legitimacy of it, but people said they were good. but its not an RC.
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O-desmethyltramadol was available from one or two places briefly, nowhere I know of carries it at the moment. That's pretty much what you're looking for I think?
 
TokinDerrick said:
it having the word "tramadol" in it makes me think its not that strong.
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o-desmethyltramadol is what tramadol breaks down into. I believe It is 3-4 times stronger than tram. Relationship of o-DES to tram is like hydromorphone to hydrocodone.
 
Ha. Tramadol is the best. It's my favorite.

As far as research chems with opioid agonist actions I'm sure some will come around. My friend who is dependent on hydrocodone swears by kratom. He even chooses to use it instead of hydrocodone sometimes.
 
the problem with opiate RC's is that anyone who might produce them knows that they'd be big trouble.

Opiates have always been taken far more serious than other classes of drug, from the very beginning. They were the first class of drugs to be controlled (along with cocaine), they're highly addictive, and 90+% of people who take them love them. There were good opiate designer drugs in the past. Like the 1920's and 1930s, after heroin and other strong opiates were controlled!

Anyway - i think that's why the desmethyltramadol got withdrawn (though i also heard a rumor that one place got sued by the pharmaceutical company with the patent) - it started to get too popular. Don't forget, like any opiate, an OD or OD + benzo/alcohol can be lethal (whereas an OD on the kinds of RCs we have now is generally just very unpleasant - take a look at the doses of current RC's that some people are taking! Imagine an OD of that magnitude with desmethyltramadol). Can you imagine the popularity of, say, an RC that was as good as oxycodone? can you imagine all the people eyeballing doses (because now the buyers are not drug geeks but the general population*) and dying? It would be a catastrophy!

*Yes, this happened with meph, but all a meph OD will do is turn your knees blue and convince you that you were dying, in most cases. You wouldn't actually die from it, like you would if you OD on opiates.


Baaack on topic...
Dissociative RC's?
Tiletamine has occasionally made the rounds.
4-MeO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCP have both made the rounds. Availability is spotty. 4-MeO-PCP is weak (dose is in the low hundreds of mg) while 3-MeO-PCP is vastly more powerful. 3-MeO-PCP was, iirc, less like a typical dissociative than 4-MeO-PCP.
There's at least one other one coming (not allowed to say) too.

There are fewer of them, partly because for one reason or another, asian manufacturers are uncomfortable making arylcyclohexylamines - it might be because of the ah... rather terrible... reputation of PCP.
 
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Wolfy90 said:
what about mdma?
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Methylone is quite similar, mephedrone has alot of fans, though it felt like a pure stimulant to me, not a bad thing, looking forward to shooting some;)

MDPV feels alot like coke IV.

desmethy-tramadol is quite a bit more potent than tramadol, and is pretty much a pure opiate without the ant-depressant affects. Good luck finding though.

3-meo-pcp is said to be quite good for a ketamine type high, not tried it myself.
 
tramadol

why would an analogue/homologue be chained to a related compund's potency? I know we are both green, but seriously? There analogues of THC that a match-head smoked would cause you to die, with thousands of times the delta 9 model's potency... which, incidentally, I am curious if a mid-scale lab could produce, from natural THC. not actual synthesis, just generally a push in the right direction. I know, these are complex organic molecules, not a closet meth lab type reaction, but, in theory?? but anyways, this is my first post, sorry if I already screwed up in any way, should I put SWIM in everywhere I write I, ME, WE?? input appreciated, thanks;)
 
I think that anyone with a lab looking to knock up cannabinoids is probably more interested in the JWHs and other synthetic cannabinoids that aren't structurally similar to THC than in analogues of it. Besides, cannabis is pretty expensive, so natural THC is a pricey precursor.

Welcome, btw. We don't SWIM here, it's stupid.
 
TheAzo said:
There's at least one other one coming (not allowed to say) too.
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lol I think I know what one you mean (synthetic opiate?)....begins with the letter B methinks...

Apparently its so powerful in its pure form that just getting a tiny bit of it on your skin is Overdose City...AND its already available in certain places in asia so I'm told...
 
Yerg said:
I think that anyone with a lab looking to knock up cannabinoids is probably more interested in the JWHs and other synthetic cannabinoids that aren't structurally similar to THC than in analogues of it. Besides, cannabis is pretty expensive, so natural THC is a pricey precursor.

Welcome, btw. We don't SWIM here, it's stupid.
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Thanks, and also, thanks for the reply.. I am interested in cannabis based synthetics, on account of most of the JWH's being based off napthalene, which is 'THE' carcinogenic Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbon that is most known for the PAH's toxicity in humans... following me? I want one of the thc analogues, that would be 300-10,000 times the effect, from the base of what is considerably expensive thc.. thus, making it not so expensive.. and therefore, being naturally based, from something that doesn't cause cancer. I just don't wanna die, have tried jwh-018, friends too, and I just don't feel comfy giving it to people I like, when I know it's true sinister makeup. I hope this post isn't too rambly, I just chugged a liter of mountain dew! haha anyway, I think if I got the analogue that was 10k times as potent, it could be carried as a blotter, plus it may stay under a threshold needed for a positive thc metabolites test (understanding, that employment screens are a much higher threshold than gov/court based tests, which still have a minimum 'level' that, if you don't go over, you can pass with minimal positive test results.. every1 get that??) thus making it easy for you to stay off the pipe, at work, in jail, etc, etc, hehe the implications are tremendous. any responses, Is there anybody alive out there? alright, looking forward to other's thoughts on this delicate topic=D

ps I agree, SWIMming IS stupid, I never got.. if you write it, you own it anyway. If 'they' are up your butt that far anyway, they can see thru any bs like SWIM that u can say anyway
 
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