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Reseach Chem Bill -Amendment to the CsA

TheTripDoctor

TheTripDoctor

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I know there is nothing in the works yet, but it seems like the government is quite willing to make laws that say "if in the future" instead of "heres this drug, its illegal now", what im guessing is if things like t7, Foxy, etc... get much more widespread attention, we might see an amendement to the analog act, possibly such that "any chemical in the same class" would become covered and illegal to posess, even though not in the schedules. Currently the analog act must have 2 requirments
Substantially similar action
Substantially similar structure
Now if they added something like "in the same class as such and such number of drugs, therefor is illegal"
You get the point, i know its not happening now, but if we intend on protecting the ways we are currently allowed to experiment with things legal like T7 and such, we need to be proactive and get on top of things here. We know that the government has encountred these chemicals on drug users, and they have a good idea how they get ahold of them. I know of at least 3 cases that were prosecuted, involving Aet alphaethyl tryptamine, the ethl analog of AMT alpha-methyl tryptamine, another case someone was selling 2C-T-7 in capsules and was slapped with intent. Its only a matter of time before they want to get a hold on all these tryptamines and phenethylamines and the others.
We havent seen any companys actually get closed i dont think, but i know one who got raided and the charges dropped for a technicality. We dont need things like fucking source lists, and we dont need people coming on here or on the IRC playing the poor little kid who cant find things asking for sources. Anyone have anything to add?
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~The Recreational Pharmacist
I have never belonged wholeheartedly to country or State, to my circle of friends or even to my own family...
Such isolation is sometimes bitter, but I do not regret being cut off from the understanding and sympathy of other men.
I lose something by it,to be sure, but I am compensated for it in being rendered independent of the customs,
opinions and prejudices of others, and am not tempted to rest my peace of mind upon such shifting foundations.
--Albert Einstein
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[This message has been edited by TheTripDoctor (edited 14 June 2001).]
 
While I do agree it is a good post, I would like to point out that one of the original founding points of the OtherDrugs channel is to allow sources....
but still this sucks
 
When you have a government body that legislates, and enforces laws, that's what you get. (I just love living in a democracy) The schedule wasn't handed down from the AMA, or the supreme court. I never got to vote on the legality of a drug, nor will I ever I suspect. I think one of the few things we can do to get closer to legalization is to get on to Juries and do some swaying.......DONT SKIP IT! It is better than voting. Educate your self heavily and pull the 12 Angry Men deal, whatever it takes to hang the jury on convictions will help.
Great post doc.
 
The problem is not with the law, it's with the drug users.. while we may disagree with the drug laws in this country, we have to accept that things are not going to get better - there *IS* a problem with the abuse of these "research chemicals".. as long as people abuse and mis-represent these, there will be shit brought down on them.. if you're smart you will stock up on these now, because once they are outlawed, you won't see them on the street, and ordering then becomes a risky game of cat and mouse, but the cat can put you in jail!
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PAK CHOOIE UNF! Do not trust the pusher robot, he is malfunctioning, we are here to protect you..
 
What i want to know is, how far do we go before we call bullshit? how far are the american people willing to go? im hoping it WILL change when we start to see such absurd intrusion into private life, and such ignorant laws.
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~The Recreational Pharmacist
I have never belonged wholeheartedly to country or State, to my circle of friends or even to my own family...
Such isolation is sometimes bitter, but I do not regret being cut off from the understanding and sympathy of other men.
I lose something by it,to be sure, but I am compensated for it in being rendered independent of the customs,
opinions and prejudices of others, and am not tempted to rest my peace of mind upon such shifting foundations.
--Albert Einstein
My AIM: TheTripDoctor (always on)
 
What i want to know is, how far do we go before we call bullshit? how far are the american people willing to go? im hoping it WILL change when we start to see such absurd intrusion into private life, and such ignorant laws.
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~The Recreational Pharmacist
I have never belonged wholeheartedly to country or State, to my circle of friends or even to my own family...
Such isolation is sometimes bitter, but I do not regret being cut off from the understanding and sympathy of other men.
I lose something by it,to be sure, but I am compensated for it in being rendered independent of the customs,
opinions and prejudices of others, and am not tempted to rest my peace of mind upon such shifting foundations.
--Albert Einstein
My AIM: TheTripDoctor (always on)
 
What i want to know is, how far do we go before we call bullshit? how far are the american people willing to go? im hoping it WILL change when we start to see such absurd intrusion into private life, and such ignorant laws.
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~The Recreational Pharmacist
I have never belonged wholeheartedly to country or State, to my circle of friends or even to my own family...
Such isolation is sometimes bitter, but I do not regret being cut off from the understanding and sympathy of other men.
I lose something by it,to be sure, but I am compensated for it in being rendered independent of the customs,
opinions and prejudices of others, and am not tempted to rest my peace of mind upon such shifting foundations.
--Albert Einstein
My AIM: TheTripDoctor (always on)
 
Once they are scheduled, they will be effectively gone. They are more costly to synth than current scheduled alternatives and their higher body loads (and possible dangers) will make then unattractive.
That is why capping up 2C-T-2 and selling it at raves as 'analog mescaline' will just fuck it up for everyone.
The research suppliers should up the ante: only sell to people who can actually spell 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-(n)-propylthiophenethylamine hydrochloride, for example.
 
you gave me quite a fright there, TheTripDoctor.. the wording of the topic line seemed to me to suggest that there was actually a bill being passed having that tenets that you went on to describe in your post.
i'm not going to say it's not possible, but although the heightening public profile of these substances is certainly going to lead some attention-seeking politicians to push some badly-authored legislation through, it dont think its likely that such a bill would pass judicial scrutiny. a clause such as "anything within the same chemical class" is just way too ambiguous to be considered constitutional and fair (not that we dont have unfair laws, but i think this is crossing the line, so to speak).
and also, i should say that i agree with most of what's been posted in this thread so far. irresponsible use of these substances is definitely something to be avoided if possible.
 
So then every FREAKING ONE OF YOU should be calling your Congressional rep, your senators, and the White House and making a huge stink. Make the coherent, logical arguments presented here.
The problem is -- people bitch but they don't TAKE ACTION.
So TAKE ACTION
 
Now let me give you something to think about - and no this is not the side effect of drugs ..
What if the gov is fully aware of the drug - and of the sources (which it is) and what if they aren't doing anything quite yet - to gather information .
Well the gov was aware of LSD much before it became illegal - but without documented Experiments they would have very little knowledge about it ..
just something to think about although I don't think it is true ..
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Isn't it Ironic,
Don't you think?
 
If you ban it....they will come.
IE, the stink generated by taking a drug into the courts, media, etc will create more demand for the drugs. (or so they think) Propaganda is a lot more difficult now that an entire generation has seen the campaign that went on, and disbelieves authority and media on drug issues. We can get some sense of the truth from the net now. If they announce that a drug is being banned, and propose reasons the public can find out for themselves what the drug is about and its safety margin. If they are lying to get it passed, (as they always have) we know now. This is the LAST thing the DEA wants……kids typing in: “how do I get 2-ct-7” at Askjeeves after seeing the news, and finding truth to be different then the news……scarry……how will they sell things?
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First, if you have not check out that link, do so now - this kid got high and thought he was in hell, so he started running people down with a car.. I laughed so hard I spilt my Capn' Crunch on myself... god damn, that is something I would have paid to witness!
Now it's great to see all you little patriots saying we need to stand up for our rights, and write letters to congress, march on Washington, etc.. sadly our voices don't count
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Ya gotta realize that the general public supports tighter restrictions on these chemicals, so a few letters from people who abuse them are not going to count for shit.. if you like these chemicals, STOCK PILE THEM NOW! They *WILL* be outlawed, and we will probably see an emergency scheduling (as in illegal until further notice) any time now..
Everyone should get high on 2C-T-7 and go kill some politicians!
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Where in the nursery rhyme does it say Humpty Dumpty was an egg?
 
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