Replacing alcohol with drugs

[cuntball]

I hate alcohol, but I'm planning on going out multiple times a week again and get laid as often. Basically I'm looking what I can take instead of alcohol without destroying my health. It's hard to have fun sober.

Here's what I've come up with:

GHB - Multiple times a week / daily.
Xanax - Weekly.
MDMA - once a month or even more seldom
Low LSD dose - mixed with any of the above

I've never taken any of them except lucy, but done quite a bit of research. GHB seems to be pretty safe and even have benefits to ones health if taken correctly. Since I can get Xanax I thought I'd try that out too. It can cause euphoria and chill me out, so why not. MDMA would be taken on special occasions.

Is there a reason why I should not go crazy with GHB? In theory it sounds like a great drug that can be taken often.

I'm an athlete, I'm pretty strict about my diet and supplements, so I'm trying to do this as healthy as possible. Alcohol hangovers absolutely ruin my training sessions, so I'm done with that.

Any suggestions/comments?

 

[Damien]

GHB at that rate will destroy you pretty quick from what I've read, especially when you try and stop!

I'm an athlete, I'm pretty strict about my diet and supplements, so I'm trying to do this as healthy as possible.

I would try and harness that energy and discipline into trying to learn to have a good time without having to be under the influence. I know it's hard and I know it can be boring but many people do it all the time. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I have it all figured out but I can tell you that you're about to make your situation more complicated by introducing factors that don't need to be in your life. Why willfully make major parts of your life dependent upon substances in order to function to a satisfactory level? Getting out of those routines will be very difficult should you find them tiresome or unhealthy.

 

[cuntball]

GHB at that rate will destroy you pretty quick from what I've read, especially when you try and stop!

From what I've read about ridiculous and chronic use of GHB the person usually has a hard time coming off, but is able to stop without any mental or physical harm. Within a week everything should be back to normal.

I would try and harness that energy and discipline into trying to learn to have a good time without having to be under the influence. I know it's hard and I know it can be boring but many people do it all the time. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I have it all figured out but I can tell you that you're about to make your situation more complicated by introducing factors that don't need to be in your life. Why willfully make major parts of your life dependent upon substances in order to function to a satisfactory level? Getting out of those routines will be very difficult should you find them tiresome or unhealthy.

I get it. I suppose I could start with substances and ween myself off of them once I'm ready. Doing it sober would be extremely hard for me at the moment since I seem to have developed a bit of anxiety.

 

[effie]

Hey cuntball, welcome to BDD (nice name :D)

We don't do "what can I take to get high" threads in here, but we can definitely discuss your suggestions.

I agree with Damien. I really don't want to preach, and I certainly often feel like sobriety is boring but actually whenever I do take a break I find it doesn't take long to adjust your mindset and get a lot of enjoyment out of things other than drugs. Getting wrecked several times a week is going to have consequences and it's definitely not a healthy thing feeling that you need to get fucked up to have a good time. Having said that, I do understand! And I appreciate wanting to reduce your alcohol intake. Alcohol is a very physically damaging drug.. Switching to less damaging things and weening yourself off is a good idea I think, as long as you can stick to it and not let your use creep up again

GHB/GBL addictions can be brutal and as a gabaergic I would imagine there is a risk of seizures too.. take a look at the GBL addiction/withdrawal thread in EADD. I absolutely do not recommend multiple daily doses - slippery slope to 24/7 dosing. I know so many people who got caught out with G, me included. Sporadic use is less dangerous but do be careful - it's also easy to overdo it and pass out, which isn't great if you are trying to socialise (or get laid, although it does tend to make people pretty horny!) It also interferes with your sleep when it wears off after 4 hours ish.

Weekly Xanax is okay, but be careful you don't start to rely on it or head towards addiction/dependence. Be careful combining it with any other CNS depressants though and be aware that tolerance can build even with sporadic dosing. As you say you struggle with anxiety, I would worry that you would find it hard to stop yourself from dosing more and more often to get the anxiolytic action..

Monthly MDMA isn't too bad, some people recommend leaving it longer though and if you get bad comedowns then that is too often I would say.. Low dose LSD from time to time doesn't sound too bad either but again be careful not to take it too often. Do be aware that any of these drugs can cause mental health problems and what might be okay use for one person is not for someone else - you need to gauge how you respond.

Overall though I definitely think trying to ween yourself off regular drug use and saving it for special occasions is definitely a good plan. Try a few sober nights out and see how you get on

 

[ascension108]

Any drug is better then alcohol IMHO. Just keep taking whatever you feel like, you'll be fine!

 

[Tommyboy]

Any drug is better then alcohol IMHO. Just keep taking whatever you feel like, you'll be fine!

Alcohol is pretty harmful, but saying "take whatever you feel like and you'll be fine" isn't good advice.

 

[Renz Envy]

Hey OP. I use GHB very frequently and have been for several months now. I enjoy the euphoria and sedation of the drug and as you use it more, it begins to lose its stimulant effects and becomes more like alcohol. (GHB receptor down regulation is the theory). This is a consistency in many users including myself.

A few things to start you off are: Daily use and addiction are very close. In fact, once you begin 24 hour dosing, you should begin immediately tapering down your doses to quit. Or cold turkey if you are only 2-3 days in.

If you are a fan of the "stimulant" like effects of GHB/GBL, you should limit your use to every 2 weeks.

I've caught myself red handed 24-hour dosing many times, and it is like trying to stop a snowball rolling down the hill. Part of you is scared of the withdrawals, but the smarter side always knows that the best choice is to quit and take a break.

Having a fast acting stimulant available can greatly increase the safety of using GHB in public. Thanks to this, I have not fallen asleep in many months. The G-coma is usually always preceded by lethargy, so know the signs and wake yourself up before the paramedics/police do.

Good luck. I quit alcohol as well and use GHB/MDMA as my replacement.

Alcohol is pretty harmful, but saying "take whatever you feel like and you'll be fine" isn't good advice.

This. Agreed on the alcohol thing.

 

[twoface]

First of all, why do you hate alcohol?

It all depends on what you're seeking for... I don't know why but I have a slight impression that you more like an upper guy. You might give stims a shot.

 

[TheAzo]

Soma/Carisoprodal is a decent social gabaergic in reasonable doses. Myself and a couple of friends use it for that purpose, and it seems to work pretty well for that. It also doesn't react unexpectedly with alcohol like benzos do.

 

[n3wt]

First of all, why do you hate alcohol?

It all depends on what you're seeking for... I don't know why but I have a slight impression that you more like an upper guy. You might give stims a shot.

No need to wake up with a hangover if you never sleep...

This all seems like six of one or a half dozen of the other. It doesn't really matter what you choose, everything has negative consequences.

 

[twoface]

^

Definitely. I for instance am a upper person, but I always take a benzo first to take the edge off, otherwise I get all anxious.

 

[cuntball]

Thanks for the replies. Would caffeine pills be strong and fast enough to combat the possible G-coma?

 

[xvaltan]

Soma/Carisoprodal is a decent social gabaergic in reasonable doses. Myself and a couple of friends use it for that purpose, and it seems to work pretty well for that. It also doesn't react unexpectedly with alcohol like benzos do.

I second this, I use it when I hang out on the weekends and it's wonderful for it. Completely eliminates my anxiety, and gives me a very loved-up feeling as well. Is actually a bit energetic, makes me want to dance and talk and such.

 

[PeacePipeChief]

i did this but it was more like alcohol got forgotten on heaps of drugs , i did it about 3 years ago and my lifes never been the same , never been remotely stable since . until now when ive had to beat all my addictions when alcohol creeps back in , both lead to bad places . and i hope that one day i will be completely clean .

 

[revolve]

If you can use G responsibly it's great. Too bad the majority can't.

 

[Allein]

Boring as kit sounds:-

None of the above, your young and fit and want to get the ladies, just leave the drugs, including alcohol out of the equation. Whilst the rest of the males are struggling to string a sentence together your gonna be in tip top form.

Give it a go, no drugs listed are not going to have a detrimental effect on you training anyhow.

(Fek I sound boring - but I really think it's the best option)

 

[cuntball]

Boring as kit sounds:-

None of the above, your young and fit and want to get the ladies, just leave the drugs, including alcohol out of the equation. Whilst the rest of the males are struggling to string a sentence together your gonna be in tip top form.

Give it a go, no drugs listed are not going to have a detrimental effect on you training anyhow.

(Fek I sound boring - but I really think it's the best option)

It does sound boring lol. Due to my lifestyle I spend a lot of time by myself. Thanks to that I'm a bit awkward socially + I already mentioned the anxiety. I've tried going out sober. It's a disaster.

 

[Whosajiggawaaa]

It does sound boring lol. Due to my lifestyle I spend a lot of time by myself. Thanks to that I'm a bit awkward socially + I already mentioned the anxiety. I've tried going out sober. It's a disaster.

Just ride out the initial anxiety and discomfort for the first hour or 2 and you will find you will become more relaxed, specially when everyone around you is wasted. Going out sober is very possible, you just have to be patient if you know what I mean. If I had to recommend anything it would be tramadol, makes me chatty and has a slight stimulant effect, for me anyway. Just my 2 cents.

 

[twoface]

IMO if you have social anxiety the best thing to do would definitely be going out sober and trying to engage in social activities that way. Do that as an exercise, one step at a time, and in the long run you will eventually overcome your anxiety.

Saying from personal experiences, believe me, it is so much better to use drugs as an enhancer to your social experiences than as a crutch for some personal difficulties.

 

[Allein]

It does sound boring lol. Due to my lifestyle I spend a lot of time by myself. Thanks to that I'm a bit awkward socially + I already mentioned the anxiety. I've tried going out sober. It's a disaster.

I know where your coming from I have anxiety issues as well, but I still don;t think the answer of alcohol or drugs much as I like them all, you really would get more fro them if you weren't relying on them for the socialising in the first place. I struggle to socialise but used to find it easy back in the day off my face on MDMA (fek that even rhymes !).

But ultimately you can't keep that up forever, you will find that you can socialise without chemical assistance and in fact its not actually that hard of your in the right frame of mind and the people you are socialising with are not off their faces either.

If you get a handle on your drug use now you should be able to indulge on the odd occasion and enjoy the experience rather than rely on it every time you want to socialise. By using in that way with regularity you run the risk of physical and / or psychological dependence. Once you've hit that point the good times are basically done with for most people, you can stop that substance but you've opened a door to abuse and dependence which is hard to close again.

You sound young and fit and full of life if social anxiety is a real issue for you seeking some councelling would be a much better option, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy a few drinks it just means your not dependent on them. I'd stay well away from any benzos of GHB / GBL you really do not want to start down that road they are far from benign even in comparison to alcohol.

Best Wishes