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Replacement for the 'catholones'?!?!?

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This my first thread so do applogise if in wrong place or a bit of a taboo subject...

I was wondering...

I was a MASSIVE fan of methadrone until they banned the the main ingredent (in the UK).

Now wot in terms of legal highs/ RC's are the alternitives, and the closest substance to it?

Sorry if this has already been tlaked about, but please post away or PM me.

Wood really like to hear peoples views.

Thanks
 
Hey, welcome to bluelight & PD! This is kinda close to "What should I take?" territory, which we don't allow on bluelight, but if you keep the conversation to things similar in effects i can leave the thread open.

Methedrone is 4-Methoxy-methcathinone. Mephedrone was the more popular chemcial, and it is 4-methyl-methcathinone. The former has some very dangerous body temp regulation issues. The latter, while certainly not benign physically, seems acutely safe for most people. Who knows about long term effects though.

Alot of new chemicals have been heavily marketed as mephedrone replacements, however, very few of the companies offering these actually send the products they advertise. Sometimes you get inactive powder, sometimes random combinations of different drugs, both legal & illegal, & sometimes nothing at all. Definitely be careful.
 
^ and FYI, "what should I take" threads are not allowed on bluelight, so you might want to rephrase your question to "what non-cathinones are similar to mephedrone and methedrone?"

Vendor talk or discussion about what chemicals are legal and available in your area are not allowed as well.

Welcome, but Bluelight is for the discussion of effects of chemicals and harm reduction, not which chemicals are legal and available where you are.
 
but definitely be careful. the uk rc scene is a joke since the cathinone ban, i wouldn't bother looking for a replacement for methedrone.
 
Yep sorry i meant cathinones.... D'oh!!!!

I'm not here for chemistry lesson, just was wondering wot peoples preferances were now that's all.

And anyway it's from the cathinone family, and from wot i can gather cathinone in it's simplest form is a basic hydrocarban. There's 2 ingredients there!!! I'm sure the good peeps on here could indulge further...
 
Cathinone is not an ingredient in methedrone. Methedrone simply has the cathinone skeleton within it's chemical structure. An ingredient implies a mixture. You don't mix cathinone with something else and voila all of a sudden have methedrone.

Not everyone is in the UK where cathinones were made illegal, so asking what people's preferences are now that cathinones are illegal in the country you live in doesn't make much sense.

What is my preference now that cathinones were made illegal on the other side of the world?

lol doesn't make much sense from my perspective.

But honestly, there isn't any replacement for methedrone in the UK. Sorry, but there aren't any stimulant research chems in the UK, unless you like doing random branded chemicals without knowing what you are taking, and in many cases is just a mixture of illegal cathinones anyways.

Naphyrone was sold as a replacement for mephedrone, but tests of multiple samples of naphyrone showed that most naphyrone did not contain any naphyrone at all and in fact contain mixtures of the banned cathinones such as MDPV, mephedrone and unidentified cathinones.

I'd be careful getting any rc's in the UK righ now, and unfortunately don't expect to find any cathinone replacements.
 
Clearly you need a chemistry lesson or two based on that last line. The different elements that make up the cathinone molecule are not "ingredients" in any meaningful sense. By that logic, water has two ingredients, and if that's what you mean by ingredients then the main ingredient of all the cathinones is hydrogen. I'm pretty sure the UK hasn't banned hydrogen ;) To clarify: cathinone is the name of one specific chemical. The cathinone class of chemicals is a bunch of individual specific chemicals that are closely related to cathinone - methylone, mephedrone, methedone, butylone, etc. Each one is a unique chemical and consists of only one ingredient if it's pure (in reality there's almost always tiny trace amount of impurities).

Different people have different preferences and it's against the rules to ask other people to recommend what drugs you should take. We can tell you about the different drugs that exist and what they do, but it's up to you to decide which, if any, are of interest to you.

This is a very poorly studied class of drug and several drugs in this family can be very unhealthy, even fatal, when misused. You should change your attitude about 'not wanting a chemistry lesson' and learn as much as you possibly can before taking any of these chemicals. Anything else is wildly irresponsible.
 
I haven't asked anyone wot they recommend to take.

I haven't asked anyone wot I should take!

All i've asked is peoples veiws on the alternitives. Sorry if i've bugged anyone with my posts.
 
You can't really make a replacement for cathinones... amino indanes are proving to be worthless and all amphetamines are scheduled in the UK which would be the most likely worth analog - if someone could ever figure out which one would be best... first I'm hearing about 5-Methyl-MDA now 4-Desoxy-MDA...
 
Sorry, your post sounded like a "what should I take" thread because you were asking what alternatives to cathinones people prefer now that methedrone which you were a massive fan of is illegal in the UK. I was simply informing you that it came of as a "what should I take" thread and I was also simply informing you that those types of threads are not allowed.

I can't think of any stimulant rc's in the UK right now. There are "jolly green granules" but no one knows what actual chemical it is, and I do not recommend taking a random chemical without knowing what it is. In fact whatever chemical is in jolly green granules might be illegal in the UK.

There is also "Ivory Wave" which was (is?) being sold in the UK but I think tests have shown that it is not an alternative to cathinones, but actually contains the cathinone MDPV which is illegal in the UK.

I don't know of any stimulant rc's that are being sold by their actual chemical name in the UK.

Pretty much all that is available is:

Tryptamines:
AMT - tryptamine euphoriant with a stimulating psychedelic edge
5-MeO-DALT - tryptamine psychedelic with euphoric properties

Phenethylamines:
6-APB - psychedelic MDA anaolg purported to have residual stimulation

Aminotetralins:
MDAT - similar to MDAI but longer lasting

Aminoindanes:
MDAI - anti-depressant like effects which only target serotonin receptors
5-IAI - affinity for serotonin, dopamine and adrenaline but seems to be similar to MDAI and not as impressive as everyone hoped

Others:
Dimethocaine - extremly weak cocaine analog
Phenazepam - benzodiazepine depressant with rather weak anti-anxiogenic properties and extremely potent (threshold activity at sub-milligram doses)
 
AMT isn't really a "stimulant" - its stimulating but very rarely to the CNS and can hardly be called a stim. Its nothing like ... well anything else.
 
4-meo-PCP is also available but again that is very psychedelic.

DXM is available in powder form (so no need to neck down gallons of cough mixture) - can be euphoric and not too psychedelic if you get the dose exactly right, but slightly too much and again you're tripping your balls off.

You can buy 4-FA (an absolutely brilliant speedy loved-up research chemical) from a few european vendors who will ship to the UK, but this is a class A drug in the UK so if customs spot if you do run the risk of being locked up. (IMO it's better to just go and buy something from a drug dealer than try this).

It's so shit that they've banned all the lovely stimulating club drugs and all that are left are a load of brainfuck chemicals that will probably rot people's brains.
 
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