Renz Envy - dangerous combination, possible substitute for alcohol- question

[Renz Envy]

I've put a lot of thought into this combination. Although mixing depressants is incredibly risky, I feel as if one were to take the highest levels of precautions they could create "alcohol" effects without ever consuming the drug.

The combination would be a GABA A agonist like a benzodiazepine mixed with a GABA B agonist- GHB

Now to a bluelighter this seems like an easy way to send yourself to the hospital, possibly even die. The risks obviously outweigh the reward, however, I, Renz, am willing to try it in small increments as I know it has been done successfully in the past. I have a lot of experience with both substances.

Now when it comes to dosing, would it be best to ratio the two drugs so that the benzodiazepine is dominant and the GHB is at a lower dose? One thing to take note of is that GHB in low doses has stimulant effects and is very far from a anti-anxiety medication.

If you're reading this thinking of trying it, please don't. You will die if you mix depressants wrong. I know that I am putting myself at risk, but will always be in the company of others when taking chances such as these.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I'd say its probably not worth the risk. Granted, I've mixed baclofen (GABA-B with benzos (GABA-A) and was fine, but GHB is in another league in regards to GABA-B activity.

Proceed with caution, or don't proceed at all.

 

[Znegative]

I've mixed Valium and GBL together, using 20mg of Valium and 1.5mL of GBL (I forget how many mg, grams that is).

IMO, even without the Valium, GBL was almost identical to alchohol, just more euphoric, and had less negative effects. I've never tried straight GHB, but I've heard it's similar

 

[bluedolphin]

I've mixed countless benzos with GHB and 1,4-bdo. This is not to say it's safe at all.

One comment I would like to make is that benzos do not improve the effect of GHB. It is preferable to just take a proper dose of GHB. Why bother with this potentially dangerous experiment if it's not even going to improve your experience?

 

[Renz Envy]

GHB alone is a different animal to alcohol. I don't need to discuss the difference.

With Benzos I feel that the anxiety inducing effects of GHB would theoretically be reduced. While GHB is similar to alcohol, I still have anxiety while being on it.

 

[Allein]

GBL and GHB make me puke at any active level so I'm not best place to answer but I've mixed Benzos and Booze countless times in the past with no problems other than loss of motor control,

Why are you so keen to mix GHB with Benzos?

 

[Renz Envy]

GBL and GHB make me puke at any active level so I'm not best place to answer but I've mixed Benzos and Booze countless times in the past with no problems other than loss of motor control,

Why are you so keen to mix GHB with Benzos?

Alcohol has many effects I find undesirable and work against my hobby (body building). Alcohol's mental effects are my drug of choice, but the multitude of properties it has on the body are way underrated when it comes to working out.

I love GHB, but here's a few things I cannot stand about it:
1) Short half life. GHB's actual half life is 30 minutes to an hour. It takes the body the other 3-4 hours to digest it all the way.
2) As the drug wears off it causes anxiety and excitotoxicity. (Brain is unable to filter certain thoughts.)
3) The drug does not actually cause a clearance of anxiety like alcohol or benzos do. I can argue this all day. The dose needed to give strong anxiety-allieving effects is not safe for public.
4) The drug makes me act obnoxious. I feel very good, but my sex drive is so high that it causes me to make bad choices socially.

I feel that starting at .5mg of klonopin/xanax and possibly 1.5g of GHB should be safe.

 

[Allein]

I haven't had a drink since July 2011, I know I keep posting that but its a big achievement for me.

I have tried numerous times with both GBL and GHB but like I say they just make me puke, GH dosage is a little more difficult as its illegal in the UK so you can only really get it if you or someone else does the conversion from GBL so you have to know the concentration to know the dose.

It sounds like you have powder which is much easier to deal with, but I can;t help with your question as my body wont tolerate the stuff at all.

You could help me though, why is it popular with body builders ?? is it because its like alcohol but without the negative effects on you mention?

 

[Help?!?!]

I've mixed A and B agonists multiple times. Everything single time though I lowered the dose exponentially. I really don't think this would be out of the world dangerous(I never even considered it to be when I mixed them, though each time my GHB dose was very low). I've mixed Alp and GHB, which wasn't that nice as the level of intoxication was to high for me, however I find 250mcgs of Clonazepam mixed with .05-1 gram of GHB to be a good time. I've enjoyed it up to probably 3 grams(this would be when my tolerance would suffocate you though......). I'm pretty sure i've mixed Etizolam as well. Your idea in my mind is totally ridiculous though as to me, GHB already has better/more desirable effects than ethanol. I always did it the way you thought, benzo dominant, GHB lesser. I would dose the benzo and wait around an hour dependent on which one to see how far it would take me and than dose the GHB when I felt I was at the ceiling. I find GHB to be opposite to you though. GHB relieves any hint of anxiety even at lower doses. Even when the rebound hits its really not much I have to worry about, I suppose I am extremely lucky in this regard though. In my mind it seems very idiotic to mix multiple chemicals that could be dangerous to attempt to elicit a certain effect, but its your body, if you want to die chasing something than its up to you, I guess I would rather die having fun though(but like I said in non ridiculous doses and to those not overly sensitive I don't really see this being outlandishly dangerous though thats me, and i'm sure someone else could point out exactly why A and B agonism mixed would be dangerous)......

 

[Renz Envy]

GHB does relieve anxiety, but I require an unsafe dose to feel absolutely comfortable (I have congenital anxiety disorder).

Using GHB at the club is frightening when I begin feeling like I am about to G-out. Yeah, I'm relaxed, but my eyes begin to get heavy and I have to keep moving in hopes that I don't wake up on the floor. I am very good at dosing, but no one can use street GHB consistently without passing out at least a few times.

I'm merely attempting to create alcohol without drinking it.

 

[Help?!?!]

GHB does relieve anxiety, but I require an unsafe dose to feel absolutely comfortable (I have congenital anxiety disorder).

Using GHB at the club is frightening when I begin feeling like I am about to G-out. Yeah, I'm relaxed, but my eyes begin to get heavy and I have to keep moving in hopes that I don't wake up on the floor. I am very good at dosing, but no one can use street GHB consistently without passing out at least a few times.

I'm merely attempting to create alcohol without drinking it.

Hmmm thats terrible for you, I have an anxiety disorder as well and to this day have never found anything that can melt my aniexty like warm butter than GHB. Even in low doses the second it begins to kick in, its like a wave of relief hits me. I also wouldn't have the carpeting out problem you do, GHB will never incapacitate me under 3.5 grams unless other drugs are involved and I know the pre carpet feeling all to well(though at times it doesn't matter because by the time I realize its coming....)so its easy for me to retreat to safety(though I also never go balls to the wall on G outside of a safe environment like my place/a friends, I would probably rarely do more than 2 grams per hour in public if not more like 2grams/2 hours). I lol'd at the thought of you attempting to fight the pass out though, in my mind that would only lead to me passing out standing up or moving around rather than sitting(I once managed to stop it with stimulants though!). I actually find it pretty hard to randomly pass out on GHB unless i'm trying, really when I think about it I guess i'm just lucky because I don't get the nasty G side effects at all or nearly as badly as others do. The majority of times I ended up carpeted out was due to me being anxious and using GHB as a quick fix and ending up dosing to much to quickly. I personally found GHB better than ethanol, it had all the pluses and then some with no negatives. I also find 1-Ethynyl-1-cyclohexanol to be similar to ethanol and to be middle ground between GHB and ethanol.

 

[Smokey_McPot]

sounds like a bad idea... but if i were to try this id take the benzo first then dose the G about 1.5 hours later. ive never had a benzo/G combo, but i have had a high opiod/soma dose + G combo that was actually quite wonderful. yes, theres a huge difference between opiods and benzos so tread lightly, and let us know how the experiment turns out!

just be careful.

 

[Renz Envy]

Hmmm thats terrible for you, I have an anxiety disorder as well and to this day have never found anything that can melt my aniexty like warm butter than GHB. Even in low doses the second it begins to kick in, its like a wave of relief hits me. I also wouldn't have the carpeting out problem you do, GHB will never incapacitate me under 3.5 grams unless other drugs are involved and I know the pre carpet feeling all to well(though at times it doesn't matter because by the time I realize its coming....)so its easy for me to retreat to safety(though I also never go balls to the wall on G outside of a safe environment like my place/a friends, I would probably rarely do more than 2 grams per hour in public if not more like 2grams/2 hours). I lol'd at the thought of you attempting to fight the pass out though, in my mind that would only lead to me passing out standing up or moving around rather than sitting(I once managed to stop it with stimulants though!). I actually find it pretty hard to randomly pass out on GHB unless i'm trying, really when I think about it I guess i'm just lucky because I don't get the nasty G side effects at all or nearly as badly as others do. The majority of times I ended up carpeted out was due to me being anxious and using GHB as a quick fix and ending up dosing to much to quickly. I personally found GHB better than ethanol, it had all the pluses and then some with no negatives. I also find 1-Ethynyl-1-cyclohexanol to be similar to ethanol and to be middle ground between GHB and ethanol.

Yeah I know the pre-G-out feeling quite well, but if I'm in a club, I would have to leave and go to my car. which isn't going o happen especially if I pay 30 dollars to get in. Usually I carry an emergency stimulant.

G does temporarily help anxiety, but as a social lubricant it is certainly nothing to be compared to alcohol or MDMA. I now find that GHB is great to mix with certain drugs, but it by itself is sort of foolish as you run the risk of dosing too much in public. It really just doesn't last long enough either. I live in America so it's not like I can easily get GBL and do the conversion myself.