Religious Groups Call Drug War Immoral

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For Jennifer Wallace, the revelation came four years ago, after she found out that a friend of hers who she knew came from a devout Christian family smoked marijuana, and she became worried about the young woman.

Wallace, a devout Christian herself, started looking into the research on marijuana and what she found surprised her.

She said she found no evidence to back up the horrible things she had heard about the drug, and when she searched the Bible for any reference to it she found nothing at all. So she began to wonder why some religious leaders seemed to favor stiff penalties for marijuana users.

She even decided to try smoking it, though she had always been afraid before.

"I was very surprised that I wasn't very different than I was before," she said of the experience. "I believe it made me think more, and thinking more is always good."

Those experiences led the 35-year-old mother of five to start the Christians for Cannabis Web site, and to begin a campaign of letter-writing to legislators, religious leaders and newspapers, urging an end to the marijuana prohibition and more research into potential uses of the drug, she said.

Christians for Cannabis, which describes part of its mission as "to provide encouragement, support and prayer for the [Christian cannabis user] subculture as a whole and those that work on its behalf," may be the extreme, but it is not the only religious group advocating an end to the war on drugs.

The Presbyterian Church (USA), the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends and the Progressive Jewish Alliance are among the groups that have lent their support to a call by the National Coalition for Effective Drug Policies to redirect efforts to curtail drug use.

These organizations all make clear that their opposition to current drug policy is based not on support for drug use, but out of a belief that the war on drugs has done more harm than good and that it is essentially immoral.

"The war on drugs has been an abysmal failure in any practical sense, and the number of people who are being victimized by the war is fairly awful," said Thomas Jeavons, the general secretary of the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends, a group of Quakers.

"The war on drugs affects our society in so many negative ways," Universal Unitarians for Drug Policy Reform executive director Charles Thomas said. "We believe underlying it all is an immoral approach to dealing with a health problem."

An Evolving Process

The thrust of the NCEDP's statement, "Eight Steps to Effectively Controlling Drug Abuse and the Drug Market," is that criminalizing drug use has failed to curtail drug use, and that society would be better served by a "shift to treating drug abuse as a health problem with social and economic implications."

"It's an evolving process — reform," NCEDP president Kevin Zeese said. "We've seen over the last five or six years more denominations realize that the drug war is hurting their denominations and does more harm than good. They're seeing in their own experience that their people are hurting from the drug war."

A broad range of treatment programs should be made available on request, and should include alternatives to "abstinence-based treatment," such as methadone and other alternative maintenance drugs, according to the program. The statement also calls for mental health treatment and broader social services to deal with "the underlying causes of addiction."

These programs should be focused on abusers and addicts, not on everyone who uses drugs, the statement says.

Among other aspects, the statement calls for increased funding for after-school programs, job training and mentoring programs to keep young people "interested and involved in life," and a shift in the focus of law enforcement from prosecution of low-level, nonviolent drug offenders to those who are the most dangerous and violent.

Conservatives for Drug Policy Reform

The aim, according to Zeese, is to create a drug policy that treats the problem as a social and public health issue, and deals with abusers and addicts as human beings who can be more effectively brought back into society with help rather than punishment.

He said the policy of treating drug abuse as a criminal issue is responsible for much of the spread of HIV and AIDS, because it bans needle exchange programs that have been shown to be effective, and for many overdose deaths, because people are afraid to get help, fearing the legal consequences of their drug abuse.

"That's what I mean by the immorality of those who support the drug war," Zeese said. "They let a deadly epidemic spread because of zero tolerance."

The Philadelphia Quakers, one of the largest groups within the non-heirarchical denomination, signed on not because they share the view of Christians for Cannabis that drug use is a neutral issue, Jeavons said.

"Absolutely not. If you know anything about Quakers, you know we're a fairly conservative lot," he said. "However, we believe that there must be a better answer to the problem. We encourage our members to avoid these substances or use them in moderation."

Consulting Conscience

The Philadelphia Yearly Meeting formed a Drug Concerns Working Group in 1997, and in 1998 drew up a minute, or brief statement in early 1998. He said that the importance of the issue was reinforced when members took part in the so-called "shadow convention" held in conjunction with the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia in 2000.

The minute makes clear the Philadelphia Quakers' objections both to current drug policy and to drug abuse, and calls on Friends to do what they can to change that policy and to help others stop their misuse of drugs.

The Unitarian Universalists' objection to the treatment of drug abuse has a long history, dating back to 1970, when the denomination passed three drug policy reform resolutions, calling for legalization of marijuana and heroin maintenance programs.

In 2000, the denomination passed a resolution calling for all congregations to study the issue and develop a comprehensive "Statement of Conscience," which will be voted on at the General Assembly to be held on June 24.

The effort is to draw up a statement of "what the ideal drug policy would look like," Thomas said.

"It is remarkably good, recognizing the distinction between use and abuse, and calling for removal of criminal penalties for possession," he said.

Challenge to ‘Hypocrisy’

Assuming the statement passes, Thomas said it will be taken to other denominations for their consideration. He said that the Unitarian Universalists for Drug Policy Reform have already worked to spread the group's message by sending speakers to drug policy conventions and discussing the issue with representatives of other religious groups.

Part of that campaign will be to engage those Christian leaders who say they favor the current drug policies in debate over the issue.

"We will challenge people on their position, really start to call people on their hypocrisy, because that's really what it is, hypocrisy," Thomas said. "These people are doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught."

He said the statement and the Unitarian Universalists draw much of their inspiration from Jesus' own words.

"People often justify the war on drugs by saying drug use is inherently immoral," he said. "That's not what Jesus said. He said, it's not what goes into a person, it's what comes out. If we meet people with love and respect, we can help them more."
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Religious Groups Call Drug War Immoral
For Some Religious Groups, Drug Laws Do More Harm Than Drugs Themselves


By Dean Schabner, ABC News
June 20, 2005

Article
 
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Great news, only its too bad that the "christians" who actually have any kind of power or influence in this country are the evangelical pricks with the WH connections...not some hippie church like the Unitarians.
 
"People often justify the war on drugs by saying drug use is inherently immoral," he said. "That's not what Jesus said. He said, it's not what goes into a person, it's what comes out. If we meet people with love and respect, we can help them more."

Right on!

Great news. Hopefully these groups and churches start doing harm reduction education or support harm reduction policies and groups.

Maybe it means that some of the more conservative churches or their members take a new look at the War On Drugs.
 
i had the same revelation one day when i was 16. i never did drugs, drank, or smoked cigs. then i asked a friend (who was in catholic school with me at the time) what the justification was for immorality with drug use. he said, well basically the only thing it says is to treat your body like a temple. so for catholics atleast it boils down to a health issue. and since marijuana causes little if any health problems....


oh and a lot of denominations dont even allow drinking (even though jesus did it wtf?) so good luck with any christian consensus on this issue
 
Please take out your Bibles and turn to John Chapter 4, verse 20...as this is read a holy spliff shall be passed around before communion begins:)
 
Hell yes!

Great news, only its too bad that the "christians" who actually have any kind of power or influence in this country are the evangelical pricks with the WH connections

Sometimes (actually a lot of the time), I wonder if a lot of these 'Christians' with political power are really even Christians.
 
bowdenta said:



oh and a lot of denominations dont even allow drinking (even though jesus did it wtf?) so good luck with any christian consensus on this issue

The Bible says not to get drunk. And since nearly everyone who drinks ocassionaly gets drunk, that is why many Christians believe it is wrong.

And we all know that Jesus drank wine, not beer. He didn't drink it because He wanted to get messed up.


I am glad to see that there are good people out there who see the current war on drugs as a problem. I never expect them to accept drug use as right, but who cares if it is right?

What matters is that people are hurt less, and helped more by their drug use.
 
^^^ no no no. my father forbids any consumption of alcohol, as do many Nazarenes and Southern Baptists. and JC "supposedly" created wine (at Canna) with the knowledge that others were using it to induldge in the celebration of wedding. he's completely sinless, yet he drank alcohol for the same reasons many christians still would want to, yet they still deny themselves. beleive me i know the official reason they beleive what they so - it's because it can lead to drunkeness, but grape fruit juice instead of wine in a little thimble during the "commeroration of the partaking in jesus' body for symbolic reasons" at said churches would be a sin were it wine. Catholics however beleive that the wine undergoes "transfiguration" which makes the wine the "blood" of Christ. tradition has maintained and wine must be used...except for half-dozen clauses which i wont get into

btw im drunk right now- a "sin" - but to say that denying the body alcohol in every situation is pretty stupid IMHO. besides, drinking without "drunken behavior" is still technically fine. so drinking with you're lovely wife and fucking all night whether or not its to create life is still fine (take that bible literalists)
 
at least one of the bible beaters are doing more than just screaming "praise the lord"...they're finally getting off their asses and joining the movement.

god damn...finally. maybe that "blood of christ" part was really an ayahuasca brew? maybe the bread was shrooms? who knows...if it even happened.
 
formal mathematical proof that drug war is of the devil

Drug War = the man

The man = obsessed with power and control

obsessions with power and control = satan
 
Genesis, 1:12 - ...and I have given you all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use..."

-Cypress Hill
 
blase deviant said:
Hell yes!



Sometimes (actually a lot of the time), I wonder if a lot of these 'Christians' with political power are really even Christians.

They aren't, they just know that pulling the religion card gets them big points with the sheeple they wish to enslave for their New World Order.
 
Shouldn't the threads stay on topic, rather then drift on to a purely religious tangent?

I don't think anyone really cares what anyone else's view of religion is. This is a drug forum.
 
exmachina said:

She said she found no evidence to back up the horrible things she had heard about the drug, and when she searched the Bible for any reference to it she found nothing at all. So she began to wonder why some religious leaders seemed to favor stiff penalties for marijuana users.

She even decided to try smoking it, though she had always been afraid before.

"I was very surprised that I wasn't very different than I was before," she said of the experience. "I believe it made me think more, and thinking more is always good."

"The war on drugs has been an abysmal failure in any practical sense, and the number of people who are being victimized by the war is fairly awful,"


well no shit
 
mattie: in one of the gospels Jesus was supposed to have sayed : John came neither eating nor drinking and they said "he is possesed" and I came eating and drinking and they say I am a glutton and a drunkard.

I'm sure you can look up the exact wording if you wish but I'm pretty sure it's close to that... Anyway I find it pretty hard to believe that Jesus did not get drunk (or as you would say "messed up") probably quite a number of times to have gotten this title...

And we all know that Jesus drank wine, not beer. He didn't drink it because He wanted to get messed up.

Whether or not he drank wanting get "messed up" or not I don't know and I think it is beyond anyone to say, as his motivations for drinking aren't mentioned. What is likey though is that for whatever reason he did get "messed up" and probably on numerous occassions. I don't see how this is "bad" morally. I think it is rather ones actions once they are intoxicated that one is accountable for. (Just the same as one is accountable for thier actions when they are sober.) To futher that King Solomon (supposedly the wisest man alive) was supposed to have said something close to this in Proverbs: "wine is a mocker and beer is a brawler those who are lead astray by them are fools." Again it makes no mention that actual consumtion of alcohol makes one "bad" or that it is imorral or that getting drunk is immoral. IMO I think the proverb is just suggesting that if one takes alcohol or gets drunk one is more likely to do something that is bad or could get addicted (ie "led astray"). There is nothing here we didn't already know... Alcohol is addictive and obviously there are many cases of alcohol related violence... It still doesn't make alcohol or those who use it "evil", "bad", or "immoral".

Also thought you might find this interesting: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_spirit2.shtml
It's a link to a page on erowid about cannabis use in the old testament of the bible.

here's some good excerpts
The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14). Benet argues from the linguistic evidence that cannabis was known in Old Testament times at least for its aromatic properties and that the word for it passed from the Semitic language to the Scythians, i.e. the Ashkenaz of the Old Testament

and also this one

Scriptures make it abundantly clear that the clouds and the smoke are related to the burning of incense. Exodus 40:26 describes Moses burning incense, a cloud covering the tent of the congregation and the glory of the Lord filling the tabernacle. Leviticus 16:2-13 describes how God appeared in a cloud and refers to it as the clouds of incense. Numbers 16:17-19 describes how every man of the congregation had a censer full of burning incense and that the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the congregation.

Whether or not this "kannabos" was directly smoked by the anciet Hebrews is not recorded in the bibile but one thing is almost certain if this "kannabos" was in fact cannabis and they were burning the stuff in quantities to fill tents as mentioned... well lets just say we have a very good term for that today.... HOTBOXING IT ;)

heh heh %)
 
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I would just like to say that this is a great article followed by some very knowlegable responses (especially the "mathematic proof" :))

preach on bothers and sisters!
 
She said she found no evidence to back up the horrible things she had heard about the drug, and when she searched the Bible for any reference to it she found nothing at all. So she began to wonder why some religious leaders seemed to favor stiff penalties for marijuana users.

She even decided to try smoking it, though she had always been afraid before.

"I was very surprised that I wasn't very different than I was before," she said of the experience. "I believe it made me think more, and thinking more is always good."

Religious people actually think?? Man I gotta sit here and rethink my stance on life now..
 
Great news, however, it just goes to show that from ancient religious texts, you can really extract any meaning that will fit your cause. It's all extremely vague stuff that people can base jihads, theocracies, and even anti-drug-prohibition fronts on.
 
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