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Reincarnation

Reincarnation is a belief for children, and those in less fortunate positions.. don't worry mr. cripple, next time around you'll get a better shot at life! Or mr. peasant, next time you'll be the king and i'll be the poor man! Also the idea that we get to live another life or have lived other lives.. first you need to ask who is doing the experiencing. A part of us may have lived other life strands, but if we are not identified with that part us it's irrelevant.. that organism died when it died, and you will cease when you die here.

If there is such a place where one can view life strands like the akashic records, then really we lay no claim to our own life strand. It was just a bit of film in the archive. Either way what the fuck does it matter if reincarnation is true or not when 99.99% of people have no idea where they were before they were born or where they will be after they die. There are more pressing questions than whether reincarnation is real.

Different cultures throughout history have defnitely used Karma and reincarnation as convenient excuses to oppress the less fortunate segments of the population and justify their own greed....Certain sects of Buddhism are more focused on using the "scripture" to form laws and create moral codes, whereas other forms of Buddhism are more focused on the spiritual practices that can elevate one's own awareness of their place in the universe....the idea of everything in the "material" realm being interconnected makes sense on a logical, scientific level....The idea of the soul and subtle energy underlying material things is something that can only be perceived and not actually proven or completely explained

Whether or not reincarnation is real I think has just as much value as a question as anything else.....It might not have as obvious connection to our lives as medical science or other technological advancements, but in the general scheme of things, it could be argued that none of these things actually matter....In fact, that's pretty much exactly what a "eastern mystic" would argue....
 
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^ You might be surprised how many Westerners and Middle Easterners, including highly intelligent and learned people, have favored reincarnation. Virtually all the occidental mystical and esoteric schools teach something along these lines.
 
Whether or not reincarnation is real I think has just as much value as a question as anything else..

No problem with speculating an answer to the question, but I think an Eastern mystic would probably agree with me that unless you determine who is doing the experiencing right now then reincarnation is a moot point ;)
 
^ You might be surprised how many Westerners and Middle Easterners, including highly intelligent and learned people, have favored reincarnation. Virtually all the occidental mystical and esoteric schools teach something along these lines.

Yet I think if you did an informal poll of a large cross-section of humanity, most would say they don't know what happens when you die, or they believe nothing happens. There are not so many people who would say, "Yes, I 100% for sure believe reincarnation will happen."

Yes, a lot of people believe in reincarnation, but as a philosophy it is often tied to karma which is an aspect where you see a lot of divergence in opinion. After excluding Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism from the picture, I think reincarnation accounts for a small percentage of religious-level belief in the world. It doesn't seem to just spontaneously form as a belief in people who were not raised without exposure to the idea.
 
Anybody who suggests "there's no evidence..." of anything as a reason to not to not believe in it's possible existence....well, thats's kind of....I don't wanna say ignorant....

what about electricity and radio waves and computers?.....anybody who doubts that there's spiritual beings and spiritual energy today are the same people that would have doubted those things existed a few hundred years ago.....particularly radio waves, who the fuck would've ever guessed that shit existed?!

But electricity and radio waves are aspects of the physical universe. They found the Higg's Boson at the Hadron Collider in Europe, we're pretty close to the point of the Standard model of physics being proven.

And anyways, even if spirits are real and in 1000 years we'll discover how they work and everything, there's no evidence of it as this point... So believing in it's "possible existence" what does that do for you? You're just daydreaming like I said. Maybe invisible dragons are flying around in the sky, there's no evidence of it but it's ignorant to dismiss the possibility right? The best we can do in our lifetimes is believe in the things which can be proven.

People believing in magic concepts, ie. religion is the most destructive force in humanity. Humanity would be far, far, far better off is people would base their outlook and decisions on reason and science.
 
^I think a lot of the basic principles that most major religions teach their followers to "live their lives by", make sense in a rational, logical way.....Me not being an asshole makes my life run more smoothly and benefits everyone around me!(If only I could master that).....It's the clashing of different religious ideologies that creates all the problems!.....People just interpret things differently and choose to focus on the minor differences, when overall they're all pretty much coming from the same place....That's a huge waste of time IMO, and very destructive! You could waste your whole life arguing spirituality and religions and whether or not someone's religious/spiritual experiences are genuinely "mystical" and "otherworldy" or just the expression of their own sub-conscious....I don't think it really matters all that much

Personally, I really have no use for religious dogma or in trying to decipher mountains of text, I'm more interested in actual practices that can be used to put you in touch with something higher....I've found many "meditative practices" to be very useful in clearing my mind and making me feel more balanced and less "all over the place"....I've had a few pretty intense spiritual experiences too, but regardless of whether or not I was in touch with anything "divine" or not, a lot of things practiced in the context of different religions can be applied to life outside of any belief system with great physical and emotional benefit, IMO...I think thats why it's so trendy for people from western cultures to get into things like buddhism these days..
 
I am currently a Religious Studies major at a top-tier humanities-undergraduate college, a few months sober and doing better than ever in my coursework, finishing out my bachelor degree work in a way that I'm proud of. From what I've learned, reincarnation is more than likely, even if it has yet to be proved by modern Western science (historically, notably, prior to Albert Einstein's emergence on the physics' scene, Western science c. the late 19th century was pretty well convinced that it had advanced to the pinnacle of scientific development before being mentally blown out of the water by that young patent clerk's findings relative to space and time). Buddhism and Hinduism are the two religions you want to look into - in fact, Buddhism is essentially a 'Protestant' form of Hinduism, without all the extra religious garb - one of their main discrepancies is just in how to actually achieve total enlightenment/liberation from this material realm - this involves the relation of 'no-self' and 'self' and how one can feasibly leave this existence in a spiritual manner. However, excepting the Hindu/Buddhist debate over this key issue, which is really the whole point of working on yourself and putting yourself on the spiritual path, to my limited knowledge, in the first place, both of these Eastern religions are quite adamant over how reincarnation is simply a fact of life. In the material embodiment you currently occupy on this 'earth', you are merely representative of a localized form of what the late Canadian psychologist Richard Maurice Bucke would have referred to as "cosmic consciousness." We're essentially on a type of celestial merry-go-round, one that is determined by our own karmic propensities in this life and in the other lives which we have lived (and which, technically, in an omnipresent sense, we are concurrently living along with the one which you are consciously feeling and expressing now). A few other concepts which might be pertinent for this discussion - from what I've learned, in a Buddhist and Hindu perspective, the conscious life which you are situated in RIGHT NOW is nothing more than a dream, pure and simple. When you 'wake up' from this dream that we call life, i.e., you die, you simply are made aware of another state of consciousness, one which you already possessed while in this life but were not consciously aware of at the time, i.e., when you were 'alive'. Basically, then, reincarnation is simply the consciousness embodied by 'you' cycling through different dream states - it gets complicated in the Hindu and Buddhist perspective when you incorporate karma into the discussion and into what bodies you can expect to be born into in the next 'lifetime', whether material, immaterial, animal, human, above-human (e.g., an angelic form), etc. ad infinitum. Also, another avenue of theoretical interest for anyone on this thread would be to look into the different planes of reality of which humans are part and parcel of in the Buddhist/Hindu context - we, currently, as a physical body, are in the lowest state of existence, in matter. Also included in matter is the mental plane, which is above the physical body by a few degrees. Other than the material plane, you also have the astral plane, which includes the 'dreams' you experience when you go to sleep (and, to a Buddhist/Hindu, are actually, technically, more 'real' than the waking state of consciousness which you are currently experiencing) and, lastly, the causal plane, which influences everything else you do, sort of like 'fate' in an old Western, Stoic conception but in a much deeper, all-encompassing way. When a person escapes the cycle of reincarnation permanently, they are enlightened - this is not easy to do, and very few advanced Buddhist/Hindu practitioners can ever attain this level of spiritual advancement/fortitude. As a last note, at least from what I have summarily learned, unfortunately, the taking and imbibing of drugs does not at all help one in their spiritual progress - depending on how many illicit substances (including alcohol, of course) you have taken in this lifetime, you will probably have to make up for all that stuff in future states of consciousness/lifetimes. Good luck to everyone. Even though I am 22 and plan to stay sober for the rest of my life, definitively, at this point, I will most likely be stuck in the cycle of reincarnation for a very good while yet. Also, keep in mind, I do not at all pretend to be anywhere near to even being on the spiritual path. All I know is that, when it comes to Hindus and Buddhists, just remember, the advanced practitioners, i.e., the people from whom we get most of this information/knowledge about spiritual/material existence, usually spend the VAST majority of their lives in a state of silent meditation without external influences of any kind besides interaction with people (think: the forest arhats in Hinduism or the secluded dark-rooms in which Buddhist monks may be subjected to meditate in for years at a time), if even that - all I can say is that I'm prone to heed their words, especially now that I'm sober and in a clear state of mind.
 
Also, as an interesting side-note, I wanted to add that the important Christian church father Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt c. the 3rd century AD, completely believed in reincarnation - right around right after he died, however, this theory was eliminated pretty much completely from Christian thought. He also believed in people having to progress through 42 stages of spiritual tests in this life and in people having to do just the same once they had died - as well, his theory of 'just desserts' sounds eerily similar to Eastern thoughts on karma - he thought that, dependent on a person's actions, we could become, variously, archangels (like Michael or Gabriel), angels, humans, demons, etc., in the next life. Interesting dude to say the least. Peace.
 
Yes; I've sensed hints of mine in "flashbacks" and lifelong interests that go as far back as first grade, and don't care if anyone believes or disbelieves me.
 
i am thirteen years old and according to my psychic, I am very metaphysically aware. They call me an old soul. I believe it. ok, so I believe that we each choose our lives before we live them. I chose a very difficult life, i can tell already. my parents divorced, my dad was secretly gay, my mother is depressed, my brother was bipolar and killed himself, i tried to kill myself, i had a very scary mental health problem, and my stepdad died right before my eyes. How could i have chosen such a complex life if i was a young soul, too naive to understand complicated things? I have been told i am here to teach my mother. Does that mean i don't have anything else to learn here? I'm not sure. I love how you opened up this thread. Thank you.
 
i am thirteen years old and according to my psychic, I am very metaphysically aware. They call me an old soul. I believe it. ok, so I believe that we each choose our lives before we live them. I chose a very difficult life, i can tell already. my parents divorced, my dad was secretly gay, my mother is depressed, my brother was bipolar and killed himself, i tried to kill myself, i had a very scary mental health problem, and my stepdad died right before my eyes. How could i have chosen such a complex life if i was a young soul, too naive to understand complicated things? I have been told i am here to teach my mother. Does that mean i don't have anything else to learn here? I'm not sure. I love how you opened up this thread. Thank you.

Im sorry to hear Graceotta it seems you have been through a very difficult time. I am happy that you like this thread and hopefully if would be of help to what you are going through. May you find the answers you are searching for and may it guide you to the right path.
 
Wouldn't it be horrific to live your life, then die, have your memory wiped, and be reborn and repeat the cycle throughout eternity? One life is hard enough.

It's even worse when New Agers tell children they chose their parents, no matter how awful and abusive those parents are.
 
^ I think the knowledge that this may be a chosen life with chosen lessons is something that each person has to come to terms with. It's possible that it may be universally true for everyone, yet some people are "programmed" to not know or care in this lifetime. Thus injustices seem very rooted in the now, are very intense, and very unfair. I've met adults who were intensely abused as children and who have derived much spiritual strength from their experiences. It's not true of everyone, I admit, but some people do feel this way.

If there is some kind of over-soul that goes from life to life, then that over-soul's life is one continuous arc. Therefore, I don't see how it's cruel to keep living lives over and over again, if it's what the over-soul wants. After all, each ego dies when the body dies. That individual's suffering is over once they die. The over-soul maybe isn't all that connected to the suffering of death, as the observer.

Of course... once you factor in the belief of karma, it may be that the over-soul itself is trapped in an endless cycle that it doesn't know how to get out of. I'm not sure how it would all work though so don't ask me.
 
That oversoul must be one sadistic creature -- punishing someone for something they have no memory of doing is extremely cruel. And to go on doing this during each life cycle. And then multiply that by 3 billion. Just think that half the world's population is born into extreme, soul-crushing poverty and near starvation conditions with no hope of ever improving their lives, no hope of meeting their basic physical needs of nourishment and shelter so they can even begin to contemplate the spiritual side of things.
 
^ Well, the idea that the oversoul is trying to balance karma is just one view. Karma just means "action"... it is also action and consequence. It's not so much about punishment as it is coming to terms with the impacts of previous actions. For instance, if a soul spends one human lifetime committing a series of violent murders, the human ego may not care, but the soul has to come to terms with that. Thus future lives may be arranged where lessons shed more light on the impacts of what those murders did. i.e. being born as someone who will be murdered, being a cop who investigates murders, etc. According to some Hindus and Buddhists, it's not even necessarily our fault that we live out old karma. It's just a ripening of past action, and it's a law of nature as opposed to a Godly equilizer.

Another view which diverges from the action/consequence one is that specific lessons - even very intensely challenging ones - are more or less pre-arranged to ensure that certain wisdom is acquired by the end of a particular lifetime. An individual human lifetime has its own story that begins and ends via personal evolution, but the over-soul has a much longer, singular "lifetime" than any one human life. The kinds of lessons it acquires through experience may require multiple lifetimes before wisdom is achieved. When bad things happen human ego may take it personally, but ego is not part of the soul equation. It does not continue on. It's not about what you "deserve" but what you're here to do.

There are many takes on what reincarnation could be about, if it exists. It may not be that there is one way for everyone. Maybe different souls do different things after death. Maybe some extinguish, some wish to be reborn, some linger in the ether for a while, etc. There doesn't have to be one answer.
 
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Some time ago, I read an NDE account from a woman who'd been sickly all her life, during which she remembered her previous incarnation. She said realized she'd been an violent, abusive man toward women and animals, and that she'd been reincarnated into a unhealthy female body so she could understand what it was like to be weak--on the other end of the stick, you could say.
 
If reincarnation is real then it might be more likely that we are part of one large mega consciousness that divides into smaller components, who become human. Sort of like how the ocean becomes the drop, then becomes the ocean. Otherwise, if one life = one soul, based on the number of humans around now, the souls would have to be coming from somewhere else in the universe.

in essence this.

the key to karma is the first half of this imo. as a single "soul", we literally experience the good and the bad we do to others. that way there is no need for some kind of weird mystical tallying of credits/debits.
 
As it happens I have quite a good overview of my incarnations on Earth by now (at least some of the more important ones).

I got partly it through personal glmipses and partly though the help of "seers" who can see yout past lives. First I saw some crappy ones who would say things that were both inconsistent and very unsuitable to my persponality.

I think "seers" can be everything from freuds, to people with more limited skills, to people with more ability, and then there are some who are so clear-sighted they can see all your past lives on-earth like watching a movie, like it's nothing at all. They will refer to your family nembers by name, even though never having mentioned them to them, and know personal secrets about you that no-one would know.

So my view is that just becuse there are some frauds and shitty seers/psychics out there, that doesn't mean everybody are, or that there are no good ones you can find, just like any other profession. You know when you meet a genuine psyhic - he sees straight through you and talks to you about ther most uncomfortable stuff (guess to help you out) and give you like 100 facts of your lives he shouldn't have known, like the name of your uncle and how he ended up in a wheel chair).

These are a bit more believeable, or, n other words, don't throw the baby out With the bathwater. So in the end I found a few good ones, all women, whose descriptions also were consistent and matched up with eachother i.e. I first cam to Earth to at the time of Atlantis (even the shitty ones agreed on that).

Anyway, I might get into it a bit more later, if anyone would be interested, as I've been on this Earth for a really long time and it's quite entertaining to read. I also LOVE hearing accconts of other people's s reincarnational pasts. It's just fascinating reading to see the patterns occcuring through people'sife, etc. Like a fairytale, but something that has actuallly taken place on the physical plane. So, iff anyone has a memory or their own story, please put it into words for us all to read (you can split it into parts if it gets too long).

Anyway, to all my beloveds, I could tell you the story of my incarnational history on Earth. It's a bit long, but it to make up for it it's quite interesting, and I'm not such a bad story-teller.

To sum it up, it's a typical story of a "lightbeing" or more positively inclined, being coming to Earth to contribute in that sense. Or, to personify the positive polarity and provide that choice for people...unlike others who have come to represent the negative choice...with the obligatory struggles along the way. I was thinking there are some who may have something to learn from it and find some hope. But I can only tell it if you ask.

So even if even one person says "Yes", I might. But otherwise I reckon it's not needed or wanted so I'll refrain from it. Either way, you can know I'm one of those who have always done you good (even if in diminishing returns - it's still my fundamental nature).
 
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If reincarnation is real then it might be more likely that we are part of one large mega consciousness that divides into smaller components, who become human. Sort of like how the ocean becomes the drop, then becomes the ocean. Otherwise, if one life = one soul, based on the number of humans around now, the souls would have to be coming from somewhere else in the universe.

Reincarnation makes sense to me, based on the personal experiences I've had. I was born with aptitudes and interests that no one else in my entire family (even extended) has, and they seem to come naturally to me. In travelling to different parts of the world, I've had vivid recollections of already being in certain places. When I visited Shao Lin Temple in 2009, I had such strong "deja visite" that I knew the layout of the place without having been there before, and could recognize what had changed since I was last there. It was like part of me was coming home while the ego of this life felt very confused and new to it all.

I don't know for sure obviously, and I'm open to the idea that I'll just become nothing when I die, but I've had some interesting circumstances that have given me pause.

I remember watching a show on television a long time ago about hypnotism and how you can view your past life. I am not entirely sure if this is possible have you seen any or know any ways to do this?
 
^ I know someone who does past life regression and I've been regressed before. You become certified in hypnotherapy first and then take additional course work in past life regressions. It was a deep experience, and that person has shared many interesting details with me about the different regressions she has done with people.

Like I said in my past post, I'm open to the idea that this could be real, but because there's no real way to know, part of me still remains skeptical. The memories that were retrieved in my own regression were very interesting, but I have no way of knowing if they were somehow generated based on input from this life or not. I guess I'll find out when I die.
 
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