Regional Pills/MDMA Discussion: Next Cunt to Name a Naughty Web Vendor Gets Infracted

[BlueBull]

For fuck's sake, not this again!

NB: My last pills were Dutch presses, some three years ago. My unscientific, highly-subjective opinion was that they were better than the pills I had in the nineties, but still boring, as I'd outgrown MDMA to the point where 'great' experiences were rare. In any case, the 'great' experiences had much more to do with set and setting than with the pills themselves (disregarding piperazines and bunk ones).

My last rolls were purchased from a local bakery, and were very satisfying.

EDIT: I'm open to the possibility of qualitative differences between batches of MDMA, however remote. I just believe in a scientific approach, rather than anecdotal evidence from people who listen to too much funboy disco. I shan't be holding my breath.

Yeah I agree, I'm still not convinced, simply because scientific logic tells me there can't be a difference (except for r- and s-ratios perhaps, but that's unlikely). However I've been rolling for 10 years now and the difference really is absolutely profound. There must be some scientifically valid explanation for this, whether it's due to the drug or due to some other external factor. Set and setting can change a roll completely but I don't think it can make it seem like you've taken a different drug altogether. It's also pretty remarkable that the last 3 rolls I had that were that great were all on unknown pills, while all my other ones in between were on very famous major presses, without exception. I don't know anymore, logic tells me there can't be any difference but this experience makes me have doubts. Wish I knew more about chemistry so I knew whether or not we're missing something

 

[Sammy G]

As far as I'm aware, no chemist has posited any theory which has stood up to scrutiny. Bear in mind we're dealing with the interaction of a molecule (or even distinct molecules) and a human being, the latter being a huge fly in the ointment when it comes to objective analysis. Especially when we're dealing with hazy disco-hippy concepts such as 'the luuuurve, maaaaaaaan'! :D

I'd be interested in any evidence which challenged my skepticism.

 

[Jupiter712]

For fuck's sake, not this again!

NB: My last pills were Dutch presses, some three years ago. My unscientific, highly-subjective opinion is that they were 'better' than many of the pills I had in the late nineties, but still ultimately boring and unfulfilling, as I'd outgrown MDMA to the point where 'great' experiences were rare. In any case, the 'great' experiences had much more to do with set and setting than with the pills themselves (disregarding piperazines and bunk ones).

My last rolls were purchased from a local bakery, and were very satisfying.

EDIT: I'm open to the possibility of qualitative differences between batches of MDMA, however remote. I just believe in a scientific approach, rather than anecdotal evidence from people who listen to too much funboy disco. I shan't be holding my breath.

The kind of thing I am taking about isn't really an experience but the feeling you get when fully up. It is like the difference between hot and cold and telling someone they don't know the difference. I have stayed mates with many of the same people from my youth. We would all be very infrequent users these days. I am talking once every year even every 2/3 in some cases for myself included.

Every single person describes similar apathy towards what they feel taking pills again for the first time since back in the day, huge gap for most maybe 4/5 years at the time. Every single person who took those good ones I spoke about in the last post woke up the next morning with that glow raving about the pills from the night before. I'm pretty sure thousands of people exist who never get that kind of clear headed high again that believe the have just lost the magic as that was the general consensus among everyone in my group of friends until, BAM. It is a very specific feeling that is unmistakeable.

 

[HouseFever]

As far as I'm aware, no chemist has posited any theory which has stood up to scrutiny. Bear in mind we're dealing with the interaction of a molecule (or even distinct molecules) and a human being, the latter being a huge fly in the ointment when it comes to objective analysis. Especially when we're dealing with hazy disco-hippy concepts such as 'the luuuurve, maaaaaaaan'! :D

I'd be interested in any evidence which challenged my skepticism.

Oh yeah because I forgot that all MDMA is all made in a pharmaceutical laboratory, and is produced at it's highest possible purity. Well we all know we don't get that, and we all know we don't get MDMA, produced at it highest purity level. Maybe certain new precursors now being used, left over in the production have an effect? All I know is that I have had different types of lab tested pills which contain just MDMA, and they felt different. Set and setting being the same, so definatley not that. It may come down to quality, it may come down to chemistry. Who knows? All I know is what I feel, and the people surrounding me, it's a no brainier.

 

[chojek]

Really nice pills but just like all the other dutchies. No old skool euphoria here.

Unlike the few times I've had access to 'MDMA' over the past seven or so years, they lifted me up and I had a great night followed by sound sleep and were well worth the price of entry - not going to make any other claims as I find such comparisons increasingly hard to make . . .

Cheers guys!

 

[Grassman]

Anyone had orange dutch lions? I've a feeling they are the same mdma as the blue Teslas

 

[erbaviva_girls]

you can list some sites where I can find photos of pills with a percentage of MDMA contained..... i know only http://www.saferparty.ch ... you know other similar sites?

 

[Fishface]

www.pillreports.net

It's how I discovered Bluelight . . .

 

[Treacle]

Oh yeah because I forgot that all MDMA is all made in a pharmaceutical laboratory, and is produced at it's highest possible purity. Well we all know we don't get that, and we all know we don't get MDMA, produced at it highest purity level. Maybe certain new precursors now being used, left over in the production have an effect? All I know is that I have had different types of lab tested pills which contain just MDMA, and they felt different. Set and setting being the same, so definatley not that. It may come down to quality, it may come down to chemistry. Who knows? All I know is what I feel, and the people surrounding me, it's a no brainier.

Completely agree. If I was given a crushed up pill, in a capsule, and was left in a room alone, in a double-blind trial, I guarantee that the 'better' pill would have me trying to make contact with people and fully enjoying my time. The 'new' pills would likely leave me sat feeling fucked, but not wanting to do anything about being alone. I have done this with many batches of pills and MDMA, whilst also trying many in a rave setting, which I would have fully enjoyed sober. In almost every case, I have found new MDMA to not only seem inferior, but in a lot of cases has left me wishing I hadn't taken it and has actually made my experience unpleasant. The experiences of friends, (many of whom knew nothing about the differences between batches of MDMA, and went into the situation fully expecting fireworks, but got the opposite) and even friends who are new to pills, and have no idea about isomers and precursors, yet have hugely different experiences on 'old' MDMA, versus new, which can't be attributed to any conceptions they went into the experience believing can't just be a fluke.

I've not just seen people have an inferior experience, but some of them have even isolated themselves and fallen asleep, on Dutch stuff (the original, white dominos being one of the presses, which were tested as being around 180mg of MDMA). As someone already stated, a lot of people who haven't had decent MDMA for a while (or ever), will not understand just how massively different the experience can be. This was something that didn't really happen, before the massive drought, before manufacturers came up with a new synthesis route. Again, this new route wasn't known to myself, until a few years ago, after I'd already started to believe that I'd either lost the magic, or something was different with the pills. It was only when others started saying the same, and I had discovered that certain batches had all the attributes that older pills used to have, that I knew that it wasn't just me.

This has been done to death now, but the fact new people keep coming forward, to say that they've noticed such a change, and then agreed that certain batches are 'magical' is hard to ignore. Sam, saying you've already got everything you can from MDMA, and not having tried any of the decent pills in question doesn't really prove anything. I'd be willing to bet that you'd probably notice at least something different about the experience, if you happened to stumble upon something special.

 

[Tec]

As far as I'm aware, no chemist has posited any theory which has stood up to scrutiny. Bear in mind we're dealing with the interaction of a molecule (or even distinct molecules) and a human being, the latter being a huge fly in the ointment when it comes to objective analysis. Especially when we're dealing with hazy disco-hippy concepts such as 'the luuuurve, maaaaaaaan'! :D

I'd be interested in any evidence which challenged my skepticism.

The thing with science is we'll never live in an age where we know how everything works fully. We'll always discover things that contradict what we thought we already knew before, it happens all the time.

I can't put it much better than Treacle has but there are so many people now who all agree with what we're experiencing. Experienced users who know the score with this drug more than most.

There comes a time where you have to say. So many people think this way, we need to re-investigate what we know. Unfortunately who's going to fund how different MDMA effects humans in different ways? The only reason science has no answer to this problem is because there's no need to know. The demand is from drug users, who's giving us a bunch of professors and a grant? :D

 

[Treacle]

Very true. Even though they're researching MDMA, I doubt they're even aware that there's different stuff about. The MDMA they use in the trials certainly looks magical...

 

[chojek]

I couldn't agree more with Treacle. I remember being out with friends at a trance event, I was completely loving the night sober and then I took a Dutch Yellow Instagram and it made me leave everyone and just sit by myself depressed and wanting to go home. I then had a Cheeky Monkey and it saved my night, made me super sociable and chatty again. Cheeky Monkey is definitely a UK or Irish press. Both pills are MDMA but they felt totally different in the same setting. The Dutch pill even had the advantage of using up most of my serotonin.


I won't even get into how magical and memorable certain UK pills have been in comparison to the big Dutch ones. It's a different headspace with the UK pills, you have full blown euphoria with love and energy plus a certain mental clarity you just don't get with the majority of Dutch pills. I will say a lot of the Dutch stuff is improving though. Maybe I've just forgotten how good the magic is but the Red UPS and Dutch Lions are on point for me, so I have no bias against the Dutch here. I'll happily admit to quality when it's there. I do wish the UK would pump out more pills though.

 

[Don Luigi]

Completely agree. If I was given a crushed up pill, in a capsule, and was left in a room alone, in a double-blind trial, I guarantee that the 'better' pill would have me trying to make contact with people and fully enjoying my time. The 'new' pills would likely leave me sat feeling fucked, but not wanting to do anything about being alone. I have done this with many batches of pills and MDMA, whilst also trying many in a rave setting, which I would have fully enjoyed sober. In almost every case, I have found new MDMA to not only seem inferior, but in a lot of cases has left me wishing I hadn't taken it and has actually made my experience unpleasant. The experiences of friends, (many of whom knew nothing about the differences between batches of MDMA, and went into the situation fully expecting fireworks, but got the opposite) and even friends who are new to pills, and have no idea about isomers and precursors, yet have hugely different experiences on 'old' MDMA, versus new, which can't be attributed to any conceptions they went into the experience believing can't just be a fluke.

I've not just seen people have an inferior experience, but some of them have even isolated themselves and fallen asleep, on Dutch stuff (the original, white dominos being one of the presses, which were tested as being around 180mg of MDMA). As someone already stated, a lot of people who haven't had decent MDMA for a while (or ever), will not understand just how massively different the experience can be. This was something that didn't really happen, before the massive drought, before manufacturers came up with a new synthesis route. Again, this new route wasn't known to myself, until a few years ago, after I'd already started to believe that I'd either lost the magic, or something was different with the pills. It was only when others started saying the same, and I had discovered that certain batches had all the attributes that older pills used to have, that I knew that it wasn't just me.

This has been done to death now, but the fact new people keep coming forward, to say that they've noticed such a change, and then agreed that certain batches are 'magical' is hard to ignore. Sam, saying you've already got everything you can from MDMA, and not having tried any of the decent pills in question doesn't really prove anything. I'd be willing to bet that you'd probably notice at least something different about the experience, if you happened to stumble upon something special.

Damn, I was not aware of this at all!

Post-drought, I'd only had 1 batch that still retained the good effects. I thought I'd completely lost the magic and just decided not to take MDMA again. I last took it maybe two years ago and I just wished I hadn't taken it. I had some Mitsubishis back in early 2013 that were definitely active but just lacking in most desirable effects so I just assumed they were piperazines or something. They may very well have been MDMA. I must give pillreports a look from back then and see what people thought of them.

EDIT: Just had a look and it does seem that the reports from around that time suspect pips, or at least something other than MDxx. My judgement may not have been too far wrong (except for when I purchased the bastards ) .

 

[Treacle]

Mitsubishis are notoriously unreliable now, so it's worth bearing in mind that they possibly weren't MDMA, at all. I know there's some Dutch Mitsis that are about now, that have been lab tested as being MDMA, but it may be worth trying something more reliable, before you write off pills entirely.

 

[Don Luigi]

Maybe someday

I'm on a no drugs regime for the foreseeable future

I should have been wiser with those pills; the price should have given them away. At the time, all the decent pills seemed to be going for near a tenner around here. They were the first ones I'd bought since the low dose pink panthers in 06. They were a diamond in the rough at the time because the only other thing around here was the mCPP sharks. I'd only been trusting crystal.

 

[SKL]

Mitsubishis are still a thing? Holy shit.

 

[Don Luigi]

The funny thing is that they were one of the most well-known presses when I started taking pills but only ever encountered the press when it wasn't genuine. We'll be seeing white doves pop up next The only white doves I've had, I bought from a newsagents, as soon as it opened, in Glasgow back in 09'. They were a legal high and I think they contained buphedrone.

 

[SKL]

Next you'll tell me G Ladies are still circulating (or as we used to call them, "G's up hoes down.")

 

[Treacle]

God, mCPP sharks... I remember doing loads of the good ones, and everyone loved them, then we went to a rave and got stung with the mCPP ones. I luckily took some Playstations with me, so was fine, but everyone else felt ill and wanted to leave. That was the start of numerous spoiled nights and lack of faith in MDMA.

 

[Grassman]

Dutch orange lions anyone?