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I'm convinved something somewhere is amiss here. MDMA that has wrecked me has barely touched others....

Gear has been marquis tested as MDMA, gave me an incredible roll. But for others, it's meh. Freaky shit....
 
How long you been taking MDMA SR? Getting brain zaps after only 300mg, and the pissing issue would suggest to me your maybe a bit more sensitive than most is all. The Canadian stuff is right precursor but seemingly the purity isn't that great it's probably good MDMA just 120mg is only equal to about 80mg or something which is not enough for most. That's just a guss man.
 
I would argue it's not SR's sensitivity, rather the tolerance of others.
Pure MDMA would wreck anyone at 200mg, I personally won't go above 150mg if I'm after "Ecstasy". My dose is usually 120mg, though I weight 9 stone if I'm getting chunky so....

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How long you been taking MDMA SR? Getting brain zaps after only 300mg, and the pissing issue would suggest to me your maybe a bit more sensitive than most is all.

Been taking MDMA since 2012 on and off with 4-5 month breaks here and there, and would in fact argue that my tolerance is the opposite. Not dicksizing at all, although with the gear around today, it would be fairly standard for me to go through .5/.6 in a night. With the exception of that rave where the pissing issue occured....I worked out I went through 1.2g in the night (I know...I know HR and all that). Not a brain-zap in sight after the rave.

However, then I gave it a few months clean, then I dropped around .3 total (possibly slightly more) of the Canadian and got brain zaps for a day or so. My MD use is deffinitely less frequent these days due to life demands. However, it seems that leaving a long break between uses gets rid of 'suicide tuesday', but seems to make brainzaps more likely to appear. In comparison where smashing every 3 weeks or so would give me the worst tuesday blues ever, but no brain-zaps. Strange.

This is why I find it interesting that .3 of this Canadian absolutely wrecked me, but for other users the stuff will wear off after 90 minutes....
 
What color is it? Tan or White? Mine is Tan and kinda thick. Best stuff ive had since 99. Ive been in this game since the mid 90's so def know what good mdma is. The Napster days.


Been taking MDMA since 2012 on and off with 4-5 month breaks here and there, and would in fact argue that my tolerance is the opposite. Not dicksizing at all, although with the gear around today, it would be fairly standard for me to go through .5/.6 in a night. With the exception of that rave where the pissing issue occured....I worked out I went through 1.2g in the night (I know...I know HR and all that). Not a brain-zap in sight after the rave.

However, then I gave it a few months clean, then I dropped around .3 total (possibly slightly more) of the Canadian and got brain zaps for a day or so. My MD use is deffinitely less frequent these days due to life demands. However, it seems that leaving a long break between uses gets rid of 'suicide tuesday', but seems to make brainzaps more likely to appear. In comparison where smashing every 3 weeks or so would give me the worst tuesday blues ever, but no brain-zaps. Strange.

This is why I find it interesting that .3 of this Canadian absolutely wrecked me, but for other users the stuff will wear off after 90 minutes....
 
The Canadian stuff I have is tan, and absolutely shafted me good and proper. The best MD I've had too, but others tried it and said it didn't do much for them. It must be a personal chemistry thing I think....
 
Yes there is always a few peeps that don't feel anything. But I tested it on the testers and def purple and a dark cobalt blue on simons.. First time in a long time that I had this loved up feeling and people connection. Not the feeling off this dutch shit in the last few years where I feel kinda cracked out and just want to stand in a corner and not talk. I was energetic and felt like I was on cloud 9 again. I dosed at .15... Major props to Canada and the precursor def was sas. NOT that Europe pmk crap..

The Canadian stuff I have is tan, and absolutely shafted me good and proper. The best MD I've had too, but others tried it and said it didn't do much for them. It must be a personal chemistry thing I think....
 
Bet the comedown is bad though, that's what I've noticed with the better stuff

Well this is why I think that I got brain-zaps from .3 of this Canadian MD. The old purple party-flocks used to give me zaps from around the same amount too. Almost as if because the quality is better, more serotonin is released in the end run.
 
Come down wasn't bad nice after glow the next day and the day after that a lil fuzzy dizzy depressed. But fine now.
 
It does bear remembering that dextro and levo MDMA are vastly different, both will give the same Marquis result - 200mg of l/dl-MDMA will feel nothing like 200mg of d-MDMA.

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About 6 months ago I received about 10g of MDMA by accident which I didn't order, must have been some kind of mix up. Couldn't believe my luck ??
It was almost dirty dark grey coloured crystals, however when crushed it became much lighter. It was the best stuff I've ever had, I think it was made in either America or Canada. Very strong but smooth and no comedown. Everyone else loved it, and said it would be a big hit on the Miami club scene.
Unfortunately between my friends and I, we greedily devoured the stuff pretty quickly and I have little idea where it came from (could've been 1 of 5 different people from sites which have now shut down)
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The Dark Blue turtles came after a multi-coloured batch, though I believe these pre-dated the All Stars. Fair enough on the Pink Mushrooms though I never saw those.

Were the Rainbow Drops really great? I saw mixed reviews on here.

I'd actually happily guinea pig these but I've already done two MDMA batches in two weeks with not so stellar results. If you get them be sure to report ASAP ;)

Yeah I had the multi-coloured batch which where amazing and the Dark Blue ones which where great too.

I had the Rainbow Drops once although I was pretty drunk but can remember smiling and saying they where amazing to my mate on the come up, he agreed. Everyone else that night thought they where good too.

Got the Dutch Lions after that which where good, then onto the Pink Nipples which I loved but seem to be all over the place in doses and some are pretty weak. Everyone (bar me) had Rainbow Drops at the weekend and all loved them plus said they preferred them to the Nipples.
 
I'm convinved something somewhere is amiss here. MDMA that has wrecked me has barely touched others....

Gear has been marquis tested as MDMA, gave me an incredible roll. But for others, it's meh. Freaky shit....

I agree. I had a friend who was off his tits on half a snap chat, yet I didn't get much off three. Friend loved blue Teslas, they had no effect on me. Same batch too, all tested fine.
I got pretty fucked up on a yellow Warner brother, yet another mate felt nothing. Doses must be all over the place.
 
The MDMA thats circulating here in Australia is predominately brown crystal. Most of it appears to be made locally and from what i am told its saffrol based. Works a treat to. I still get the old loved up, empathy feeling when ever i have some which is not that often these days as i am in my 40's and have too many responsibilities these days to fit much partying in. Still i must say the quality these days compares favourably to the stuff from the late 80's and early 90's.
 
Alright so I wrote a piece I'm going to stick on r/DrugNerds to see if anyone has anything interesting to say. Is there anything I might have missed out?

I’ll pre-empt this by saying I have little to no knowledge in chemistry or biology. But I am a keen observer and have tried to find rational solutions to this issue. I hope some here can expand on or debunk what I have to say. This could also be a very Eurocentric issue.

MDMA isn’t (anywhere near) as ‘magical’ any more.

Many people, including myself, have been arriving at this conclusion over the last few years. Mainly after the huge MDMA drought that happened around 2008, especially over the last 3 years or so. The experience nowadays is very watered down from what is expected after taking MDMA.

Typical MDMA nowadays tends to differ from old in the following ways:

- Less Euphoria
- Less Energy
- Lacking desire to communicate freely
- Very mongy
- Lacking empathy
- Shorter Duration
- Unable to re-dose with reasonable results.


All of these of course are subjective, are effected by external stimuli, aren’t quantifiable or measurable in any way. This leads us down a path where it becomes incredibly hard to understand what is going on.

There’s two very common responses to people who complain about this:

"You’ve done it too much, you’ll never get the magic back."
"You’re not taking it in the right setting."


There are also arguments about nostalgia etc. but they all fundamentally look to say it’s down to the user, not the quality of current MDMA. Perhaps this is because it’s the only thing that makes sense. Because MDMA is MDMA, MDMA is a compound and it has always been simply MDMA.

My own empirical 'studies' ;)

I’ve been frequenting on drug forums online since the mid 2000s, I’ve conversed in ‘real life’ with plenty of MDMA users, I’ve introduced the drug to many different people from different age groups, at different times, in different places, in different settings. I have taken the drug on an off since early 2000s, never abusing it… sometimes with gaps of over a year. I (like to think) have a good gauge for how MDMA affects me and other people.

There were obviously hugely different experiences but there was an underlying baseline to the drug that, without abuse, has always been apparent.

There is an entire spectrum of users in terms of frequency of use, and that’s where I have the biggest issue with this argument. I’ve introduced friends to MDMA which they’ve done a handful times with me, we would only ever do it on special occasions spaced out throughout several years. The experience was fantastic and in comparison to most ‘old school’ users they’ve barely touched the drug.

Over the last few years we’ve done it a few times a year and it’s mostly been the same lacklustre experience many moan about today. Have they done it too much? Are they burnt out? It doesn’t seem likely. You could argue the sample size is small, but when you read of experiences online on places like Bluelight, Reddit, Drugs-Forum you realise that not everyone complaining is some old school pill head with rose tinted goggles on. And if there’s some hypothetical cap where people get burnt out then why has it only appeared to rear its head in the last few years?

This is backed up on occasion when there’s an amazing pill or crystal released that resonates with everyone, just as they remembered it. Which brings me onto why I’m posting this.

Where did the MDMA go?

Why it is in a sea of shit, there are chemists out there who can still on occasion produce really good MDMA?

We get lab reports on most major pills, many of us reagent test our gear. It always checks out as MDMA, often very pure too. So why is it crap?

The only thing that has been brought to my attention is how the compound is synthesised. MDMA is typically synthesised from either Safrole Oil or PMK. However, sometime around 2012 many chemists started to make the switch to readily available analogue PMK Glycidate, which can in-turn be converted into PMK. It’s cheaper, easier to get, it makes sense if the end result is the same – racemic MDMA (ref. http://www.mixmag.net/feature/ecstasy-in-2015)

Another trend that has coincided with the use of PMK Glycidate is the rise of pills in much higher doses, 200mg and upwards branded as Dutch ‘Superpills’. The existence of these is by no mistake, to mask how bad the product is. I’ve even seen vendors claim you need to ‘take them in halves to get the love back’. This is of course, rubbish.

Explain how MDMA is not MDMA

Whether you agree with me or not, indulge me in question. How could a precursor alter an experience of a human being consuming a particular compound?
 
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It does bear remembering that dextro and levo MDMA are vastly different, both will give the same Marquis result - 200mg of l/dl-MDMA will feel nothing like 200mg of d-MDMA.

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As always Sprout tells us why but few then look up what he says.

Basically he's trying to tell us, if we are wishing to listen and follow up with our own research that MDMA is not just MDMA.

Like Ketamine it has R and S isomer. Shulgin himself refers to the this and the difference in high. Both variants and combinations there of will test perfect and show high purity but to actually tell which type of isomer needs very specialised testing.

It's pretty much black and white for me now and alas depressing as it will be hit and miss as to which isomer we get.

Effectively the new ingredients and methods of making MDMA are creating the wrong isomer or a higher %.

Did I get that right Sprout? Sorry organic's and bio interaction is not my bag, but trying to learn?
 
This article may interest you about the Isomers

Shulgin plotted the effects of racemic MDMA versus a simple average of the regressions he found earlier for R(-)-MDMA and S(+)-MDMA . If the different stereoisomers differed only in apparent potency, these plots should be identical. Interestingly, they were not – with racemic MDMA quite literally reporting effects more than the sum of its parts. This was borne out by user reports as well. The S(+)-MDMA may have been more potent by weight at first glance, but alone it was more stimulating and lacked the indescribable “magic” of the full racemic MDMA experience.

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