Regional Pill/MDMA Discussion

[dee_dee]

i dont really want to get into these safety harm reduction debates. i am all for harm reduction but class a drugs are class a drugs. so thats it, we have 80mg mdma pills and 5 per cent cocaine to cover the arses of manafacturers, suppliers and wholesalers and dealers and in the mix, maximise there profits to the absolute max in the process.

i wouldnt want to do fat lines of 100 per cent coke it will kill you, im not stupid, but i would love to have a small bump up each nose of top notch coke. and i wouldnt want to drop a whole gram of pure crystal mda, unless your a complete nut nut, but i would like to take the correct dosage of said class drugs of a decent quality and im aware of the risks associated with it, is that asking to much? seriously

 

[ecsplosiv]

I think the ones knocking about the UK are the top picture, well mine are anyway and I'm in the UK. I say very good. I doubt 160mg but I think they must be at about 130mg abouts. Its funny though it is slightly different feeling to when I do just MDMA crystal. Not like you feel much different but maybe just a little more racy perhaps. I find the MDMA crystal a bit more smooth and relaxing? Well not relaxing but you know what I mean

One thing that I don't know if it has been mentioned though about MDMA in shulgins book phikal is the major difference in his report with 100mg dose compared to 120mg dose

Basically if you havent read it he says 100mg didn't do much and certainly didn't put him in a happy place. But 120mg on the other hand he says was amazing?

I suspect alot of the differences we all experience are simply dose related.

hey adam, this is a mystery man. One I have always pondered... There is a clear and tangible difference between crystal and pills every time. Crystal always more mellow and less comedown. As you say -- the dose amount and schedule can make a huge difference. Also the absorption and delivery of the material when inside the stomache.

mate ive taken 3 plus snowballs in a night that were 150mg-200 mg pure mda, not just once, for 6 months at least, most weekends and sometimes even on friday and sat nights. stupid when your not that educated, yes indeed. am i alive and well, yes indeed. its all about control really, when i was young i was a little reckless. these days, if those pills fell into my lap, i no to just swallow one and leave it at that, and i also no to not do it again for a month. i dont think they made clubland dangerous at all, it was fun, a bit messy, lots of people hallucinating and getting sick, yes, but real drugs are dangerous mate, thats why its class a and illegal.

gotta pick you up here dee_dee. MDMA is a safe drug. It has practically zero abuse potential, very low self physical harm and a high LD50.

About 4 years when I had low tolerance ago I accidently bombed 650mg of MDMA in one hit. Sure enough it was one of the scariest experiences of my life at the time. Well actually it was kinda amazing in some ways, but I developed full-on psychosis and depersonalization for the entire following week. My brain kinda short circuited thinking back on the experience and how vulnerable I felt. I made some post about this ages ago. Anyway my point is that you can't go too far wrong with MDMA, and it's self limiting. What happened to me is the worst that can conceivably happen to anyone. Sure I was sweating like a cunt, high heart rate, high body temperature etc, but I was just fine physically. The real risks are of polydrug use, overheating, dehydration or water intoxication -- all of which are easily avoidable.

People with zero tolerance are clearly most at risk, because low doses can still effect huge physical responses. People with mid-high tolerance could probably bomb a gram of MDMA and get away with it (I even know people that do that).

 

[dee_dee]

pmsl @ sweating like a cunt. i rememebr double dropping and then probally greedily doing one more shortly afterwards before coming up on the first two years ago, more than likely the same kind of scenario. its not a pretty site.

 

[captain codshit]

gotta pick you up here dee_dee. MDMA is a safe drug. It has practically zero abuse potential, very low self physical harm and a high LD50.

About 4 years when I had low tolerance ago I accidently bombed 650mg of MDMA in one hit. Sure enough it was one of the scariest experiences of my life at the time. Well actually it was kinda amazing in some ways, but I developed full-on psychosis and depersonalization for the entire following week. My brain kinda short circuited thinking back on the experience and how vulnerable I felt. I made some post about this ages ago. Anyway my point is that you can't go too far wrong with MDMA, and it's self limiting. What happened to me is the worst that can conceivably happen to anyone. Sure I was sweating like a cunt, high heart rate, high body temperature etc, but I was just fine physically. The real risks are of polydrug use, overheating, dehydration or water intoxication -- all of which are easily avoidable.

People with zero tolerance are clearly most at risk, because low doses can still effect huge physical responses. People with mid-high tolerance could probably bomb a gram of MDMA and get away with it (I even know people that do that).

People with low/no tollerance I've seen in bad ways from 120mg+, whereas with a tollerance I got to a stage 300-500mg (or more that was regular) of crystal was my starting dose around last summer after caining it for months. Ends up with you getting brain zaps for a week off one sesh, generally feel like shit & obviously the epic comedowns to match the doses. Eventually lost the magic (it had been ever decreasing for a while). Now after a few month break I've got it back, although could partly due to the crystal now being much better than the stuff then, cleaner anyway. But now I find it's only the first 2 doses or so that really do anything. After about 150-200mg starter & a similar follow up, anything more is a waste of good MDMA really.

 

[tekkeN]

what are the green 140s like compared to the pink diamonds for those that know? heard the 140s are stronger anyone have any other info? personally loved the diamonds but it was just so nice having MDMA pills and not having to take MDMA even though they were pricey

 

[Jabberwocky]

really can't believe how much this thread moved in one night!

@ecsplosiv the best md i've ever had definitely did not smell of balloons. but i've had legit md off these guys before which did smell of balloons so i'm not too worried. its just really weird. guessing its somehting about the synthesis or the cut but its clearly not a widespread thing as no one else has reported it. will try to at least have a cheeky 50mg line this weekend if the boyf doesn't whinge at me too much about it.

 

[missing old pills]

I think this thread has become top quality now
Yes we want to know what's circulating around the scene but there are top draw opinions plus facts and figures with helpful harm reduction comments flying back and forth.
Well done everybody
Although I've been using on and off for the past 23 years at no point will I have the arrogance to say I know best. This the best information in one place I've been involved in the past 2.5 months than any time previous. I hope I can help younger users just as much as the fresh ideas are helping me

 

[adam phinel]

the orange standbys are good but i thought they were lacking and I had the dutch outpress ones with the score on the back. you had the inpress ones right?

i think the fact that i felt they were lacking was probably down to set and setting because i was shitfaced

Yeah Inpressed ones.

I think the dutch outpressed ones were produced earlier before the dudes got the MDMA right ;-)

Anyone else think that like all the pills are using the same MDMA source? Like at first the MDMA was more mongy lacking but now it's better. Even some same presses are nicer MDMA now.

 

[illuz1oN]

what are the green 140s like compared to the pink diamonds for those that know? heard the 140s are stronger anyone have any other info? personally loved the diamonds but it was just so nice having MDMA pills and not having to take MDMA even though they were pricey

140s are so much stronger

 

[captain codshit]

I think there is alot of that transparent crystal all coming from one source in Holland, mates were saying it was 26euros a gramme there when they bought 10. To be honest I think the stuff I get here for not much more is the same.

The crystal quality has definately got better. The stuff I was getting last summer I remember from Rockness was grey & mongy, with a bit of a dirty comedown. Then there were green/orange crystals, they were slightly better but still nowhere near the white/transparent stuff at all. It's the business as far as I'm concerned.

Could well be the same crystal that's in these standbyes etc. I know 170-200mg of it blows my head clean off!

I wasn't that impressed with pink diamonds, they're the only £10 pill I've tried. The first time I had them they were good, double drop had me in some mess. But the second time they were shite I thought for £10 each!

The last time I had a proper dogs bollox swedger was those big white "S" Xmas 2010, they were about the 130-140mg. I put my last 2 of the fuckers & some flake coke in the wash that nye

Would love to try some of these orange standbyes or any of the proper high dose pills that are about. What prices are people paying for these pills of 150mg+?

 

[tekkeN]

140s are so much stronger

yay!

 

[Grassman]

I had some of the white crystals recently - really nice, clean, hardly any comedown. Much better than the brown crystals just after the drought. Also had some Iron Crosses a while back, which my mate brought over from Ireland, they were nice too, I would say probably the same type of MD as the white stuff, not the brown.

What I have also noticed is that the better MD doesn't smell much at all. The smellier stuff seems dirtier actually - wheras previously I thought this was a sign of quality, I now think the opposite.

I'm in SW London and my contacts have all dried up recently, I would love the chance to test those 66's though...

 

[tekkeN]

yeah the crystal my mates were doing on nye in Bristol stank, like literally reeked of aniseed but wasn't great stuff, not very strong quite mongy.. people had a good time on it no nasty comedown or difficulty sleeping just not top MDMA at all

I had a few keys and 4 diamonds and was pretty much fully drilled :D

 

[captain codshit]

I had some of the white crystals recently - really nice, clean, hardly any comedown. Much better than the brown crystals just after the drought. Also had some Iron Crosses a while back, which my mate brought over from Ireland, they were nice too, I would say probably the same type of MD as the white stuff, not the brown.

What I have also noticed is that the better MD doesn't smell much at all. The smellier stuff seems dirtier actually - wheras previously I thought this was a sign of quality, I now think the opposite.

I'm in SW London and my contacts have all dried up recently, I would love the chance to test those 66's though...

Yep, that's bang on. The green stuff absolutely reaked. The white/transparent stuff doesn't even smell that bad that I actually sniffed some of the last lot with some k mixed in for good measure! %)

 

[dee_dee]

People with low/no tollerance I've seen in bad ways from 120mg+, whereas with a tollerance I got to a stage 300-500mg (or more that was regular) of crystal was my starting dose around last summer after caining it for months. Ends up with you getting brain zaps for a week off one sesh, generally feel like shit & obviously the epic comedowns to match the doses. Eventually lost the magic (it had been ever decreasing for a while). Now after a few month break I've got it back, although could partly due to the crystal now being much better than the stuff then, cleaner anyway. But now I find it's only the first 2 doses or so that really do anything. After about 150-200mg starter & a similar follow up, anything more is a waste of good MDMA really.

when i was a kid, on hardcore pills in the late 80's, the most ive seen even skinny first timer girls with virtually no body weight dropping one is, a scenario of throwing up, and possibly a little confusion, needing to sit down for half an hour, commenting on there feeling warm, maybe wishing they hadnt taken it. that usually happens from the first 45 mins upto one and half hours, then ive never seen anyone not love it after that stage. again, generalisations, which i dont like, because everybody is different. but thats the worst ive ever seen and the most uncomfortable ive ever seen a first timer on what we i guess these days would call taking a full strong dosed pill 150mg>200mg.

 

[illuz1oN]

I found mop back in 1991, I hope you relive those days (6:06) haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzoXRzKImls

Only jokin mate.

Anyone actually had a good time, loved up on the Red Stars? So far I've been extremely loved up on the pills I've had (Pink Diamonds & Green 140s). I must say, the empathy etc was much stronger in the Diamonds than the 140s, but the heart to hearts were still there etc. Droppin the Red Stars on 25th Feb...

 

[ecsplosiv]

People with low/no tollerance I've seen in bad ways from 120mg+, whereas with a tollerance I got to a stage 300-500mg (or more that was regular) of crystal was my starting dose around last summer after caining it for months. Ends up with you getting brain zaps for a week off one sesh, generally feel like shit & obviously the epic comedowns to match the doses. Eventually lost the magic (it had been ever decreasing for a while). Now after a few month break I've got it back, although could partly due to the crystal now being much better than the stuff then, cleaner anyway. But now I find it's only the first 2 doses or so that really do anything. After about 150-200mg starter & a similar follow up, anything more is a waste of good MDMA really.

fair play man, yeah I can't stand epic comedowns with brainzaps. You have to really cain it to get them in one session though. The brainzaps are why I have vowed never to take MDMA on consecutive (or near-consecutive) days again. The bad comedowns are also worse from the cumulative effect of taking MDMA too often. Currently I'm taking one month gaps between sessions at best and have been for about 8 months. I listen to my body and can feel that 4 weeks is just about OK, 6 weeks would be better though. I notice short term memory effects for about 10 days after a big sess.


RE your 1 redose comment -- I totally agree and follow that protocol now. I truly believe the second redose is an order of magnitude more toxic. Like you I get mainly an increase in negative effects from the second redose. Funny thing is I don't remember it being like that in the beginning of my MDMA career so this developed tolerance thing can actually manifest itself on a session-by-session basis. It would make sense though because MDMA is self-limiting in a single session, so tolerance just shortens each session.

really can't believe how much this thread moved in one night!

@ecsplosiv the best md i've ever had definitely did not smell of balloons. but i've had legit md off these guys before which did smell of balloons so i'm not too worried. its just really weird. guessing its somehting about the synthesis or the cut but its clearly not a widespread thing as no one else has reported it. will try to at least have a cheeky 50mg line this weekend if the boyf doesn't whinge at me too much about it.

Hope it works out for you dude let us know! The balloons thing does give me slight cause for concern but just be careful -- the test results looked good

I had some of the white crystals recently - really nice, clean, hardly any comedown. Much better than the brown crystals just after the drought. Also had some Iron Crosses a while back, which my mate brought over from Ireland, they were nice too, I would say probably the same type of MD as the white stuff, not the brown.

What I have also noticed is that the better MD doesn't smell much at all. The smellier stuff seems dirtier actually - wheras previously I thought this was a sign of quality, I now think the opposite.

I'm in SW London and my contacts have all dried up recently, I would love the chance to test those 66's though...

Agreed. My light tan batch is odourless. How much odour is coming from the clear crystals? tbh it wouldn't suprise me if there are far fewer batches then we all realise and people who think they have clear crystal just have a clear chunk off a bigger block of crystal which has clear and tan parts. In my batch many of the crystals are clear. You only tend to notice this when you buy in bulk.

Adam phinel made an interesting comment hypothesising about the source of MDMA for pills. Are the sources the same? How many pressers really are there? Do they make the crystal themselves or source it from some central place?

One might think that a pill is a better indicator of quality, if only we had a way to distinguish a batch of MDMA.

 

[Bare_head]

Its pretty obvious that our market is a bit 50/50 at the moment for example the 140s have only ever been reported in the UK so they are pretty much defiantly going to be UK made also them white soviet stars have only been reported in the UK, whilst we have other imports like the diamonds, camels, rockstars who have first been reported in the netherlands, and then england, its obvious they are imports because the UK would never need to export any of our pills considering what they get..

On a side note...

180MG MDMA + MDEA Squirrels

Tasty fuckers!

off to the dam in two weeks, will i find these bad boys?

 

[dee_dee]

^^^ @ escplosiv: the completley clear and the clear with the transparent beigey tint is definitley more than likely the same thing, you only have to look at your pictures to work it out. ive tried both and there both good. no difference in feeling, smell, taste, in fact when i had beige over xmas the bag contained clear crystals and beige coloured clear crystals mixed up in the same bag.

 

[Grassman]

Agreed. My light tan batch is odourless. How much odour is coming from the clear crystals? tbh it wouldn't suprise me if there are far fewer batches then we all realise and people who think they have clear crystal just have a clear chunk off a bigger block of crystal which has clear and tan parts. In my batch many of the crystals are clear. You only tend to notice this when you buy in bulk.

Adam phinel made an interesting comment hypothesising about the source of MDMA for pills. Are the sources the same? How many pressers really are there? Do they make the crystal themselves or source it from some central place?

One might think that a pill is a better indicator of quality, if only we had a way to distinguish a batch of MDMA.

My clear crystals aren't totally clear, more like a see through white, if that makes sense, and they hardly smell at all really, you have to stick your nose right in the bag to smell them at all. There is also a fair bit of powder in the bag, but dabs from the powder are just as strong as dabs of the crystal.

I'm all out now though, and really want to try those 66's...