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Regional Pill/MDMA discussion: Part II

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discopupils said:
I've only had the BZP shite once actually, wasn't as bad as people make out, actually had me fooled on the come up.
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Some people have much worse reactions that others, a friend of mine is absolutely fine but it sends me to the vomit commit.
 
^ it could have something to do with what piperazines they use. The two legal highs they try and pass off as ecstasy are, as you probably know, the BZP/TFMPP blend and mcPP.

I personally think I had the BZP/TFMPP blend as it did just feel like speed with a floaty, trippy edge. In fact exactly like all the effects of ecstasy you are impartial towards without any of the effects you really actually want to have, so all in all just a meh experience with a horrific comedown.

mcPP is meant to be a full-on hallucinogen at higher doses, and with most UK MDxx pills being weak, double dropping, taking over 3 in a night etc is commonplace (compared to the US), and I think this leads to the tripping/vomiting/14-hours-in-Hell horror story that most people have with piperazines, more specifically mcPP. Also mcPP is actually used in studies to induce migraines in humans. Seeing as I occasionally do get migraines anyway, I think there's no way I could have had mcPP or I'd have been in tremendous pain.

mcPP just sounds like really awful, nasty stuff. BZP/TFMPP seems alright for the right audience but it obviously has absolutely fuck all on MDxx substances or even on other empathogens like 4-mmcat.
 
Its always possible that the mix of piperazines varies greatly in every pill from the same batch (correct me if i'm wrong, im uneducated in such areas) because taking another pill from the same batch sent me on a '14 hour hell ride' wheras some of my mates loved them. Others had same effects as me though..

I'm finally coming out of my denial after getting those yin-yangs fell through, im starting to think fuck it and splash out on some crystal.

What price and does anyone know the quality around leeds at the moment? taa
 
That's also true but seeing as pipz pills are (well, were, they've been banned from it now :D hope this means a good future for UK ecstasy) manufactured by actual companies, which I suppose should have had real equipment and ingredients, especially judging by the well-pressed waxy feel to the pills, then you should also presume they're fairly constant in their contents. No way of knowing though. They really need to bring out a test kit that shows up pipz.


What planet are yooooou on? Planet ecstasyyy!

I've asked my dealer to look around to see what pills he can get and report back =D I hope he can get some yin yangs, it would be rather good.

Apparently crystal is pretty good around Leeds, should be the usual £30 or thereabouts I presume?
 
Crystal is top quality all around the country right now (except that toffee crap which seems to have disapeared thankfully) and prices are, as ever, around £40 a gram depending on where you live and who you know. The greyish/white crystal is incrdedibly strong - enjoy :).

DP: Have pipz been banned? I never heard about that and all the UK suppliers I've just looked at still stock them. When did this happen?

And it won't make pills in the UK better quality cos BZP is still legal in most of the rest of the world even if it isn't here - although I think it still is or these head shops are going to be in trouble :D.
 
^ Yeah but some sites used to do a wholesale deal, where you could custom make a pill by sending them an email saying what piperazines they want and how much per pill, size, colour, logo etc. and the websites would send them out in their thousands. Literally a while ago you could search "BZP pill" in google and a load of these websites would come up. thankfully the main site that used to do them is not around anymore, according to pillreports ;) I have also checked up on a few of these wholesale sites myself and they all say that sending out wholesale batches of pressed piperazine pills is now unavailable.

Pipz themselves are still legal and some London underground pills etc. still contain them, but it would be difficult to pass them off as ecstasy.

However it could be bad news as people may buy piperazine powder/crystals in bulk and press them into pills themselves, which would make them hypothetically more indistinguishable from MDMA pills. Also means MDMA powder could come under fire too 8( but hopefully they're too lazy, or too thick to realise they could do that.
 
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I always assumed people just bought pure pipz in bulk and pressed the pills themselves or brought them in ready-pressed from the continent. I don't see how stopping a couple of UK websites from selling custom-made pipz pills in bulk will makemuch or even any difference really. Somehow I doubt that international drugs gangs were relying on these websites for all their pipz pills. Either way, pipz are still cheaper and easier to produce... and legal. So they are here to stay. Buy crystal or don't bother would be my advice. Pills are a complete waste of time and money.
 
I suppose so but the yin yangs, cherries and armanis did pop up on pillreports very recently after this took place. Although this could just be a coincidence, I do see your point.

The thing is though, is that us Brits are taking a harder battering from piperazines than anywhere else in Europe, so hopefully it will help, it's just wishful thinking really :) but it could be that it will actually help. Besides, somehow my dealer knows how to find an MDxx batch of pills anywhere, he knows all about piperazines and stuff which is both rare and lucky :D And good for me, like I said before, pills just have that certain sparkle about them, and that feeling of the acid house culture all those years ago :)
 
I was there in the whole acid-house thing and the only difference is that pills tended to have MDA as well as MDMA in them - and lots of both =D.

Crystal MDMA pisses from a great height over any pills that have done the rounds in the UK for many, many years. With the possible exception of the odd quality batch. I really don't know why anyone bothers with pills. But each to their own :).

PS: Where or where is MDA to be found these days :!:X:!:X:!
 
Shambles said:
PS: Where or where is MDA to be found these days :!:X:!:X:!
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Ditto that..

I ended my year+ break from pilling on Friday with some MDMA crystals and they just made me feel like shit. I'm pretty sure they were what they were meant to be, but me and MDMA crystals just never got on, and even after a long break nothing's changed. It's MDA pills or nowt for me now.

WHich fucking sucks. :X

Edit - spoke to someone else who took the same stuff and they felt it was a bit wierd and overstimulating too, and made them puke like hell. Hmm..maybe the problem is not with me after all, and it was slightly cut-with-something stuff.. which sucks, but not as much as thinking I may never be able to do REAL MDMA ever again ;)
 
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Unfortunately due to no alternative love hearts (thin, white, circular, heart stamp) were obtained last night. The taste wasn't bitter at all and it was very easy to piss.

I was slightly disappointed, but I had expected it was likely to end up with pips. I try and avoiding buying in clubs whenever humanly possible. There were as many people selling pills as MDMA in the club, but for some reason I figured pills were a better bet in that situation: the MDMA might have been cut, underweight, shit, etc. Has anyone any experience of buying MDMA out, is it as hit and miss as pills? Anyway, next time I'll be well prepared, fuck that!
 
Something interesting I also noticed last night was I only took an 80 mg MDMA bomb out with me - normally I'd take 150-200 mg as a starting dose. After only two and a half weeks off, it seemed to have a pretty good effect.

Perhaps I was taking too much before, but from my understanding increasing the starting dose is more effective than redosing in overall effects - correct me if I'm wrong?
 
/\ I'd have thought you're right - or certainly you notice the initial chnage from sober to high more than you notice the varying degrees of highness from re-dosing..

What you said about the change in tolerance also makes me suspicious of what I took on Friday. I took 125mg, and after more than a year off, I felt the same, or possibly LESS effects than I would have done from the same dose back when I was caning the stuff.. curiouser and curiouser..
 
^ probably dodgy stuff.

Redosing will work well if you do it within the first hour-and-a-half of dosing initially, and will extend your peak. Leave it any longer than that and it'll be pointless as you don't have enough serotonin left for full effects.
 
^ I'd say you have longer than an hour and a half myself, that's certainly true of acid - even less time, perhaps - but I can redose on MDMA for a whole night with no noticable decrease in effect. 500mg over 8 hours or so is not uncommon at all and works fine for me. Not saying it's a good idea, necessarily, but it works fine for me :).

PS: Any longer than 8 hours and/or 500mg doesn't work for me - seems to be the "ceiling" for maximum redosing. At least for me, of course :).
 
Was walking to mates flat in town last night and these guys were walking up the road singing this song about MDMA and seratonin that they'd made up. :D

I think I asked if they had any. Bloody booze. :|
 
^^ Half a gram is about my ceiling too. Had a gram in a night once, but over about 600-750 mg the only additional effects were extreme speediness and monginess. I assume this was the dopaminergic effects showing themselves at a higher level.
 
^ I am useless at all that chemistry stuff, but sounds about right to me - there's surely only so much euphoria you can wring out of your poor chemical-besodden brain before it goes a bit wonky... However adding LSD and - especially AMT - to the cocktail does seem to dramatically increase the euphoria ceiling by many times over and doubles the duration at least - and then some :D.
 
Shambles said:
^ I'd say you have longer than an hour and a half myself, that's certainly true of acid - even less time, perhaps - but I can redose on MDMA for a whole night with no noticable decrease in effect. 500mg over 8 hours or so is not uncommon at all and works fine for me. Not saying it's a good idea, necessarily, but it works fine for me :).

PS: Any longer than 8 hours and/or 500mg doesn't work for me - seems to be the "ceiling" for maximum redosing. At least for me, of course :).
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Doesn't work at all with me, I always used to redose 2 hours after initial dose and fuck all happened :\
 
Guess i'm lucky in that respect, i can redose to the equivalent of a 12 hour mdma high without messing up. never do it cause the next few days are hell though :(
 
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