Regional Pill / MDMA Discussion - not for those who wish to roll balls.

[afctu]

'rolling close to 10 years' means nothing. You have been wrong and delusional for close to 10 years. Saying MDMA is MDMA is like saying petrol is petrol. Different ways of production of fractional distillation results in an entirely different product relative to the stage of extraction. Different petrols suit different engines. Sorry bad analogy maybe but u get the point

so which pills knocking around at the moment would you say consist of good quality proper mdma?

 

[letherman]

^^^ Whiskey is Whiskey but not all whiskeys are whisky???

But I do believe a lot is environment, personality, personal preference and the whatever is packed into the pills and their production, but as BlueBull said if its been debated to death, then lets all just agree to disagree,

I hate Marmite..., but if you like the old ghosts and take them in halves then I'll tell you what I like

 

[oscthebooklad]

so which pills knocking around at the moment would you say consist of good quality proper mdma?

I can't really speak that much for pills but gold bars pack alot for the punch compared to a pure crystal experience.

Yes this argument has been done to death so should be left alone. But I just don't understand how people can't comprehend a distinction between 'good' and 'bad' in such a complicated and intricate chemical synthesis process. Obviously different methods and expertise in the production / use of raw materials will = different quality of final product.

 

[letherman]

Yes, but a lot has to do with personal preference and situation also

For a strong Pill I liked the Blue Androids (but havn't seen them around in a month or 2)
Green X-Boxes are my current favourites
Chuppas and Ghosts for a quieter night and for old times sake, but I got so sick of only having ghosts and no choice that I'm putting them and a few x-boxes away for a rainy day

I havn't consumed or tested anything else so cant comment on them.

 

[chojek]

Yes, but a lot has to do with personal preference and situation also

For a strong Pill I liked the Blue Androids (but havn't seen them around in a month or 2)
Green X-Boxes are my current favourites
Chuppas and Ghosts for a quieter night and for old times sake, but I got so sick of only having ghosts and no choice that I'm putting them and a few x-boxes away for a rainy day

I havn't consumed or tested anything else so cant comment on them.

You're really making me want to try the Green X-Boxes now. I've also heard the Blue Androids are really intense from a few people, I want them badly!!!

To put my curious mind at ease, which would you pick if given the choice, Green X-Boxes or Blue Androids?

And would 1 Xbox after a month off be enough? I normally have far longer rest periods, but I'm living it up this summer.

 

[letherman]

I'm taking it easy after "living it up" last summer.... oh it was fun at the time, but I learnt (and still learning) my lessons.

After a 4 month break I normally would need 2 x 1/2 of last years ghosts to have a good night, 3 if I wanted to be a bit mad, and now only doing them every 3 to 4 weeks and found the X-boxes great.

Blue Androids I ended up taking in 2 x 1/4's, and my mates agreed they had a very "old-school" buzz to them... Got them once, promised them lots of times, but haven't seen them since the chuppa cups came out.... and havn't seen much of them about either.

For me I'd take the Androids, especially as the max I ever needed was 1/2 a night = lasts longer = less expensive in the long run and the best buzz I've had in ages (I very rarely roll balls these days) but good luck in getting them

 

[letherman]

I took 3/5 and then the rest an hour later and it was really mellow. A friend who had mdma for the first time that day just sat on the hill, he didn't move a single muscle. He only had half though. He's only ever done drugs just one time before this, and it was coke for nye. He said the coke was way more intense and rushy. He loved feeling mellow though. Not a single I love you was said by him, no hugs, nothing. Your first time should be the best, I'm actually disappointed for him. Maybe he's just an emotionless prick? I don't know.

I know the first time I took a pill, a quarter if I remember right, I felt like sitting down and relaxing so much, but after an hour my mates dragged me out dancing, telling me I needed to dance to get it all to go through my system... freaked me out a bit at the time, but when I got going then the euphoria kicked in about an hour later when finally I started relaxing (but dancing) and I had a great night on a quarter... cant remember what they were but I know they were middle of the road strength at the time (2007/8?)

Always wondered if that was true, but I do know that when I was guided by my friends, telling me not to chase the high, dance and relax (me dance? and then relax???? all at the same time?) that I got so much more out of it, rather than when I was sitting / relaxing / chasing / monging on my own.

 

[BlueBull]

'rolling close to 10 years' means nothing. You have been wrong and delusional for close to 10 years. Saying MDMA is MDMA is like saying petrol is petrol. Different ways of production of fractional distillation results in an entirely different product relative to the stage of extraction. Different petrols suit different engines. Sorry bad analogy maybe but u get the point

Petrol is indeed a mixture of different compounds though, and the mixture determines what engine it is most suited for. MDMA.HCl is a single molecule, a single compound not a mixture, named MDMA because it is... MDMA. What can cause differences in perception of a substance is indeed by-products and adulterants that change the overall effects of the mixture. But that doesn't mean the MDMA itself has changed. I have experienced no difference in all the (tested) pills I consumed over the 10 years I've been rolling. I didn't mention the 10 years to boast or to add value to my point, I mentioned it to illustrate that I'm talking about a lot of pills over a long period of time. I personally have noticed no difference. It isn't as magical as my first few rolls but that is normal and happens with any drug

However I base this opinion solely on personal experience and deduction, so yeah, I could be wrong. I never said I preach the absolute truth

 

[chivers]

^
Remember that the first dose you take determines for the most part how intense your roll is going to be. Added doses after that mostly extend the roll but do not intensify it by a lot. So in taking 3/5 you did about 120mg starting dose and the rest added later on. This caused your roll to be rather mellow I think, not the strength of the pills

Day two I think was lacking because you already did 200mg on day one. Back to back days are almost always a disappointment on the second day, more so if you took a big dose on the first. Just trying to point to some other possible causes for your experience. Every personal experience I had with the gold bars (me and about 15 people in my close circle of friends) and every report on them are absolutely shining, so that got me wondering what could have caused your experience

Indeed eager to hear what afctu has to say after having used them

I stand by this, i think the chuppas have an adequate dose and getting that right is critical to your experience. Yeah there hard pressed but at exactly 2 hours i was fully on it, leading to this rushes came every 10/15 mins. I had half an audermars piqute one night and had a beaming smile but not as intense rushes - down to doing a half and not the whole. I'd say the quality of mdma is ggod in chuppas, if not dominoes

At a recent festival i started with half a dominoe and didn't get the desired effect after trying them at home, i topped up with half a wifi and that was it chattering jaw non stop, mdma was in my blood stream rocketing through my body. Why i then took half a bitcoin i dont know but it did make my stomach churn and i got a bit of wind which happend when i take too much. Had to give in at 1am and go to sleep, slept straight away and woke feeling good though.

 

[Raasyvibe]

^ 11 posts in 5 years.

That's got to be a record lowest daily post count

 

[oscthebooklad]

Petrol is indeed a mixture of different compounds though, and the mixture determines what engine it is most suited for. MDMA.HCl is a single molecule, a single compound not a mixture, named MDMA because it is... MDMA. What can cause differences in perception of a substance is indeed by-products and adulterants that change the overall effects of the mixture. But that doesn't mean the MDMA itself has changed. I have experienced no difference in all the (tested) pills I consumed over the 10 years I've been rolling. I didn't mention the 10 years to boast or to add value to my point, I mentioned it to illustrate that I'm talking about a lot of pills over a long period of time. I personally have noticed no difference. It isn't as magical as my first few rolls but that is normal and happens with any drug

However I base this opinion solely on personal experience and deduction, so yeah, I could be wrong. I never said I preach the absolute truth

yeah fair doos mate. rate that. i do somewhat agree.

 

[headfuck123]

reports of a person dying from yellow grenades at the weekend. A friend of mine died of cardiac arrest on sat night and I'm guessing the report was about him. Details are not very clear at the minute.

EDIT: On pillreports i seen it was a female who passed away from the yellow grenades so it wasn't my friend. still.. keep away from them.

 

[BlueBull]

Wow... My condolences. That is seriously awful my heart goes out to all involved could you keep us updated should any details become known? That way we will be able to start spreading warnings via the dodgy and dangerous pills thread and other channels of communication should the cause be dirty pills. All the best and much courage during times to come

 

[hadoop]

I can confirm that the Barclay's are a heavy hit.

Hadn't rolled in about 3 weeks; x1 pill took hold of me 40 minutes after ingesting. The roll is pretty full on, memory loss of about 45mins when it really kicked in which was about 1 hour after ingesting. Did the remaining pill in halves and they had me going for 7/8 hrs. Overall, it is a serious pill that should probably only be taking in halves. That's not to say I didn't enjoy myself.

 

[deano88]

Not checked here in a while and I'm not surprised to see the old mdma is mdma debate popping up again only now its being compared to petrol lmao. I have a little personal collection of pills that I saved for rainy days, blue androids, white dominos, youtubes but when that rainy day comes it almost kills me to see them go

blue androids my favourite :D

 

[letherman]

reports of a person dying from yellow grenades at the weekend. A friend of mine died of cardiac arrest on sat night and I'm guessing the report was about him. Details are not very clear at the minute.

EDIT: On pillreports i seen it was a female who passed away from the yellow grenades so it wasn't my friend. still.. keep away from them.

Wow... My condolences. That is seriously awful my heart goes out to all involved could you keep us updated should any details become known? That way we will be able to start spreading warnings via the dodgy and dangerous pills thread and other channels of communication should the cause be dirty pills. All the best and much courage during times to come

My condolences also.

I've seen some other website where people are panicking saying they took some at the weekend.... I know some are being tested over the next few days... as soon as I hear back I'll let people know

 

[chojek]

reports of a person dying from yellow grenades at the weekend. A friend of mine died of cardiac arrest on sat night and I'm guessing the report was about him. Details are not very clear at the minute.

EDIT: On pillreports i seen it was a female who passed away from the yellow grenades so it wasn't my friend. still.. keep away from them.

My condolences. If I can be a bit selfish for a sec, can you give some more details? Cardiac arrest has always scared the shit out of me, even as a10yo for some reason. I always get paranoid about my heart waiting for the come up and on the come down.

It always ends up being just a case of bad indigestion though. It's all genetic, everyone on my dad's side seems to have bad indigestion. I have no idea how to cure it though. Not a hint of heart problems in my family either, just incredible longevity and good health, but I still get terrible anxiety for some reason. I think my dad must've caused some of this anxiety as he's always anxious about his health despite there never ever being anything wrong with him.

As soon as I'm high though all my anxieties melt, so my brain chemistry must be slightly off when I'm in a natural state I think. Thoughts? Anyone else like this?

 

[headfuck123]

All I know this far is that my friend had a seizure followed by cardiac arrest. I heard some sort of trips where involved but thats all I know (maybe n-bomes?). I assumed it could have been the yellow grenades as I seen a warning and reported death in my town over the same weekend from them but im unsure if its referring to the same situation as my friend. I also seen a link for test results with the yellow grenades and they tested straight mdma so Im not sure whats really going on.

 

[letherman]

My condolences. If I can be a bit selfish for a sec, can you give some more details? Cardiac arrest has always scared the shit out of me, even as a10yo for some reason. I always get paranoid about my heart waiting for the come up and on the come down.

It always ends up just being a case of bad indigestion though. It's all genetic, everyone on my dad's side seems to have bad indigestion. I have no idea how to cure it though. Not a hint of heart problems in my family either, just incredible longevity and good health, but I still get terrible anxiety for some reason. I think my dad must've caused some of this anxiety as he's always anxious about his health despite there never ever being anything wrong with him.

As soon as I'm high though all my anxieties melt, so my brain chemistry must be slightly off when I'm in a natural state I think. Thoughts? Anyone else like this?

Hi Chojek,

I havn't had a heart attack but I do have the same sympthoms as you. I get it when I relax (or worse when I "try" to relax). I sometimes also get pains in my arms and tightness around my chest. Eventually I belch and they go away. Freaked me out so much that I have had these checked out and its pure anxiety (for me!!!). In fact they've gotten worse since I became healthy, fit and lost a ton of weight!!!

I get anxious relaxing smoking dope (particularly lying down, but also sitting) - I put this down to the subconscious finally getting a chance to shout at me!. I've had to learn not to bottle things up (lots of small things can be much worse than one large issue - that can be easier to deal with) and not to do drugs when I've shit on my mind.

It came to a head when I started coming up I started having palpitations, paranoia, shivers, ear-squeezing (but not popping) and my shoulders being squeezed together every 15 to 20 minutes for 4 hours with no high = which left it a bad night for me and I peeved my friends off (again too much on my mind). I called it "intense". A week later after I had the worst panic attack of my life, where I really thought I was going to have a heart attack and it brought me right back to the feelings of the intense comeup, but this was much worse - I knew I had to keep walking to warm up and stop the shivers, but the more I walked the worse it became, but I finally realised that I needed to control my breathing and that what I was blaming on drugs (they didnt help) was really me being shown that I need to sort those problems out.

My advice to you is to lay off drugs for a while (its a bitch I know I'm trying too), Grass doesn't help either, and in most cases can be worse, for you. do your research to put your mind at rest (I sometimes take my blood pressure/pulse if I'm smoking and get the feelings, but that'd look silly in a club!!!) I'm also learning to control my breathing and meditation (music can now make me feel like I'm high when I do this without rolling) and after a break start again staying with small doses - again why I only roll with 1/2's now and trying to keep it every 6 to 8 weeks and get the best highs of my life from very little.

 

[chojek]

Hi Chojek,

I havn't had a heart attack but I do have the same sympthoms as you. I get it when I relax (or worse when I "try" to relax). I sometimes also get pains in my arms and tightness around my chest. Eventually I belch and they go away. Freaked me out so much that I have had these checked out and its pure anxiety (for me!!!). In fact they've gotten worse since I became healthy, fit and lost a ton of weight!!!

I get anxious relaxing smoking dope (particularly lying down, but also sitting) - I put this down to the subconscious finally getting a chance to shout at me!. I've had to learn not to bottle things up (lots of small things can be much worse than one large issue - that can be easier to deal with) and not to do drugs when I've shit on my mind.

It came to a head when I started coming up I started having palpitations, paranoia, shivers, ear-squeezing (but not popping) and my shoulders being squeezed together every 15 to 20 minutes for 4 hours with no high = which left it a bad night for me and I peeved my friends off (again too much on my mind). I called it "intense". A week later after I had the worst panic attack of my life, where I really thought I was going to have a heart attack and it brought me right back to the feelings of the intense comeup, but this was much worse - I knew I had to keep walking to warm up and stop the shivers, but the more I walked the worse it became, but I finally realised that I needed to control my breathing and that what I was blaming on drugs (they didnt help) was really me being shown that I need to sort those problems out.

My advice to you is to lay off drugs for a while (its a bitch I know I'm trying too), Grass doesn't help either, and in most cases can be worse, for you. do your research to put your mind at rest (I sometimes take my blood pressure/pulse if I'm smoking and get the feelings, but that'd look silly in a club!!!) I'm also learning to control my breathing and meditation (music can now make me feel like I'm high when I do this without rolling) and after a break start again staying with small doses - again why I only roll with 1/2's now and trying to keep it every 6 to 8 weeks and get the best highs of my life from very little.

Wow, you sound just like me. I've also been tested and even had my heart monitored for 24hours but no problems whatsoever. This was after I tried a steroid cycle though and for the entire 10 weeks I just kept thinking that I would get a heart attack. I was also eating a ton of food and my indigestion was through the roof. I ended up panicking at the gym one day, lost control of my breathing, all the whilst feeling extremely guilty about my steroid use and the end result was a heart palpitation, but it went away as soon as soon as the gym staff helped me with my breathing. The ambulance and hospital found no trace of any irregular heart activity. No anxiety in the ambulance or at the hospital either, but the anxiety returned once I left.


It's also always worse when I try to relax and not think about it. On my 3rd and final day at tomorrowland I had a very similar experience to your one. I got no high, felt really ashamed at the number of pills I took, had indigestion, a dry throat, so I kept thinking something bad had to happen to me. One of my mates is also anti drugs and keeps telling me something bad will happen from my use. I ended up panicking but as soon as everyone helped me fix my breathing I was fine. Listening to my music on my phone was also a huge help.

I've had my blood pressure/pulse taken since and it's extremely healthy. A friend who's never touched any drug measured it at the same time and his levels were horrible. I'm almost shocked in a good way, feel so relieved that I can push my body this hard and still be perfectly healthy. The sense of relief I got from seeing how healthy my heart rate/blood pressure is has melted away so much anxiety. I'm going to be more sensible with my use from now on though, long breaks and never again will I do back to back days. I'll also never roll with people who have negative mindsets ever again. Bottling up small issues is what I have to fix as well. I need to start opening up without the drugs. Just writing this anonymously on here is actually a big help.

Cheers for the insight letherman.