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Evad said:
Even if you don't think it doesn't feel right then MDEA is still an extremely unlikely suspect
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There seems to be a concensus amongst Bluelighters that a lot of the recent 'MDMA crystal' is actually MDEA, and given that, I don't understand why people find it so implausible that some of our recent pills are also MDEA.

I know the green rolexes were found to be a combination of MDMA & mephedrone, and, for a lot of people, the mephedrone killed the empathy. But I have to say I think they were a one-off. I mean...........why would anyone pressing pills go to the trouble of sourcing/synthesising 2 different drugs (especially seeing as mephedrone is now illegal) to put in their pills.

If a pill tests positive with Mandelin/Marquis, but isn't very trippy, and doesn't get you properly loved-up, but does get you muntered, then I think MDEA is a very real possibility. It's just the simplest explanation.
 
Tonight in Amsterdam I saw an English bloke and 3 girls completely buzzed off MDMA. Seamed to be loved up and cuddling. They gave me the number of their dealer and said he would come in a car and I get in and buy it. They were on molly but I wanted pills because all the molly I've gotten here has been ok at best.

I meet the guy and get in his car, ask for pills and he tells me he has 10 McDonald's for 50€. I ask to use my tester and he tells me to buy or get the fuck out. I insisted he let me scrape a pill and he basically told me to fuck off. Wouldn't even sell me molly after.

I kind of regret not buying it since they seamed to be buzzing pretty hard. Did I make a mistake?
 
MDMAhead said:
There seems to be a concensus amongst Bluelighters that a lot of the recent 'MDMA crystal' is actually MDEA, and given that, I don't understand why people find it so implausible that some of our recent pills are also MDEA.

I know the green rolexes were found to be a combination of MDMA & mephedrone, and, for a lot of people, the mephedrone killed the empathy. But I have to say I think they were a one-off. I mean...........why would anyone pressing pills go to the trouble of sourcing/synthesising 2 different drugs (especially seeing as mephedrone is now illegal) to put in their pills.

If a pill tests positive with Mandelin/Marquis, but isn't very trippy, and doesn't get you properly loved-up, but does get you muntered, then I think MDEA is a very real possibility. It's just the simplest explanation.
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except for the fact that everyone else here thinks the green stars are MDMA. including people who have had both the dubious grey crystal and the green stars... you are really in the minority here, I really think you are just wrong

someone sourcing two different drugs seems entirely more likely than someone synthesising large amounts of an unpopular one when the sought after one is just as easy at no extra cost.
 
felix77: Yes..... :D

You need a proper surface to test anyway, you can't just drip suphuric acid on someone's car, haha. Personally i'd just buy stuff and take the risk if I was in fucking Amsterdam, there's plenty of good MDMA and pills around there.

I think it's a bit of a Q of etiquette, if the guy went out of his way to meet up with some random dude and you basically imply you don't trust his stuff then heh. Maybe they were shit and dodgy and you saved yourself 50 euro though, dude, your money/your call isn't it...

Also, lol at the most likely explanation for everyone having a good time on the E atm apart from about 3 people being that they are OBVIOUSLY MDEA....
 
Riklet said:
felix77: Yes..... :D

You need a proper surface to test anyway, you can't just drip suphuric acid on someone's car, haha. Personally i'd just buy stuff and take the risk if I was in fucking Amsterdam, there's plenty of good MDMA and pills around there.

I think it's a bit of a Q of etiquette, if the guy went out of his way to meet up with some random dude and you basically imply you don't trust his stuff then heh. Maybe they were shit and dodgy and you saved yourself 50 euro though, dude, your money/your call isn't it...

Also, lol at the most likely explanation for everyone having a good time on the E atm apart from about 3 people being that they are OBVIOUSLY MDEA....
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I do carry a small ceramic dish for my testing, and shit pills are everywhere here.
 
Evad said:
someone sourcing two different drugs seems entirely more likely than someone synthesising large amounts of an unpopular one when the sought after one is just as easy at no extra cost.
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The thing is..............I've seen this kind of hysteria about MDEA pills before. I lived in Australia from early-2006 til early-2009, and trust me - MDMA is all but non-existant over there.

But then in late-2008, a pill called the 'white mercedes' came out. They were the talk of the town in Melbourne. Several of my friends had them and said they were 'absolutely top notch', with some people even saying they were the best pills they'd ever had. Then when I had them, whilst I did enjoy them, I came to the conclusion that they contained little or no MDMA.

Shortly after I had them, this pillreport was made. It's one of the best pill reports I have ever seen. The pillreporter ('ekstasis', who I think used to be one of the pillreports moderators) goes into great detail about why he beleives those pills are infact a combination of MDEA + speed. But if you look at the comments under the report, you'll see that most people absolutely loved them.

I would actually say that, given the complete lack of MDMA in Australia, the combination of MDEA + speed would be my next best choice. Those pills actually felt a lot like the green stars I had last weekend, although the white mercedes made me dance a bit more (which is easily accounted for by the fact they contained speed as well as the MDEA). But, even though I did like them, they still rank a long long way behind MDMA in my estimation.

But the idea that MDEA is an 'unpopular' drug is a myth. Honestly, I think a lot of people love the stuff.

And as has already been mentioned in this thread, MDEA is made using ethylamine, whereas MDMA is made using methylamine. Ethylamine is less closely monitored than methylamine, which may mean that it is currently more readily-available to the drug manufacturers than methylamine (which would mean that the drug manufacturers are churning out MDEA instead of MDMA). In other words, there is a perfectly logical explanation as to why MDEA may currently be cheaper and easier to manufacture than MDMA.
 
Yeah cool story bro, if there was MDEA in loads of pills then it would be reported in the Netherlands, Switzerland and places where lab tests are being done. If you want something for the UK.... there were some police figures posted here a while ago which had an analysis of the pill market and the number of pills with no MDMA in them. No mention of MDEA as far as I recall...

Some crystal i've tried may have been MDEA, then again, it may not have been. It's very hard to tell and speculate, especially based on a marquis result and whether it made your mates stroke your sweaty back more than usual. Pure speculation. All your stuff about why MDEA might be being made is just a load of guff; i'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it was so easy to make and so widespread there would be evidence and lab reports. No, that doesn't mean a load of E heads sitting around blithering about how mongy their beans were, surprisingly...

So aye, there's MD** pills around, and lots of people are enjoying them. Molehill/mountain etc....
 
anyone sourcing MDP2P (unless they have some crazy new route now) is surely going to be able to get ahold of metylamine no?

Ethylamine is less closely monitored than methylamine
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got a sauce for this? you have piqued my interest :) they both occupy the same class on the DEA list of watched chemicals...

this doesn't account for those who pave had the grey crystal and green stars and have the crystal down as not right and the green stars down as classic mdma...

and also no MDEA being recorded by any testing labs in europe or the US from the past year (that i can see) plus absolutely zero recorded on that UK seizure analysis sheet Rilet mentions makes your theory less plausible.
 
Evad said:
this doesn't account for those who pave had the grey crystal and green stars and have the crystal down as not right and the green stars down as classic mdma...
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I never said that the grey crystal was MDEA.........
 
anything more than that? they're both list 1 DEA watched substances, same as ergotamine, MDP2P et al. This and the fact that there is still no reports I can find of MDEA being found in either pill or crystal form from the last year really points to your theory (though being well thought out) is incorrect.

I never said that the grey crystal was MDEA.........
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No but you used the fact that some bluelighters believed the grey crystal to be MDEA to add substance to your theory. I was just saying that if that is the case then how come nobody who has tried both believes the green stars to be MDEA.
 
Evad said:
No but you used the fact that some bluelighters believed the grey crystal to be MDEA to add substance to your theory.
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As far as I'm aware, it's not just 'the grey crystal' that people think isn't quite right; it's most of the recent crystal in the UK, regardless of it's colour.

- the last crystal I bought looked pretty kosher (if you search through my posts you can find the photo I uploaded), and it tested up fine with Marquis. But it didn't get me loved-up.

(please don't tell me I've 'lost the magic' - I've already explained several times why I do not beleive this to be the case, and if you read through my recent posts, you'll find those explanations).
 
Another possibility (regarding the crystal vs the green stars) is that most of the current crystal in the UK is MDEA, and the green stars are too. But remember.............MDEA requires bigger doses than MDMA.

So let's say you take 150 mg of your 'MDMA crystal' (which is actually MDEA). Let's also say that that MDEA is 80% pure. That would mean that 1 dose of your 'MDMA crystal' contains 120 mg of MDEA. Now let's say each of the green stars contains 180 mg of MDEA. Well.........straight away you can see why each of the green stars would give you a stronger high than a dose of the crystal.

(that's just a theory so please don't slate me for it!)
 
MDEA + MDA is rare in the drug world, only a few pills are ever seen to have them in them. I think there are probably other reasons for the different feeling people are getting off the crystal.

Probably and most likely it's the way it's being synthed, dirty chemicals or reusing them in multiple batches or even a different synthesis route.

Remember people, MDP2P vs Safrole MDMA has been said to have different effects.

My money is on different chemicals being used, with the price being so expensive for real pills I reckon they are using pipernol as a starting material as it seems more common these days.
 
igloo said:
Probably and most likely it's the way it's being synthed, dirty chemicals or reusing them in multiple batches or even a different synthesis route.
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So what you're saying is that most of the recent MDMA crystal is actually MDMA; it's just very impure MDMA...........
 
MDMAhead said:
So what you're saying is that most of the recent MDMA crystal is actually MDMA; it's just very impure MDMA...........
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Yeah basically, in a nutshell. Also the fact that a lot people have probably lost the magic
 
igloo said:
Also the fact that a lot people have probably lost the magic
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Yeah but we've just come out of a 1-year+ MDMA-drought (although IMO we're still in drought), which would have reset most people's tolerances. Yet a lot of people are complaining that the crystal over the last few months isn't getting them loved-up.
 
MDMAhead said:
Yeah but we've just come out of a 1-year+ MDMA-drought (although IMO we're still in drought), which would have reset most people's tolerances. Yet a lot of people are complaining that the crystal over the last few months isn't getting them loved-up.
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Different synthesis route most likely, since there isn't a flood so to speak and good pills are expensive I kind of suspect different chemicals are being used.
 
MDEAhead + everyone...can you please just agree to disagree or send one off for lab testing?! All this chat is doing my cap in!
 
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