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Regional Heroin Discussion v14: What's the point?

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just poppin in to see how kats gettin on,wish her all the luck in the world am confident she will be postin laters,she has hardly any previous convictions shes a victim in this and the jugde will see that GO GO KAT it wont be long till shes with us.
up in scotland afore your handed a sentence they will ask for back ground reports to be done,and you returnin to the court 3 to 4 weeks laters for your sentencein,so the day they should ask for these reports for @'kat.
does anybody no what happened to the regional heroin thread
 
No news from Kat or her Mum yet. I hope she is ok, i feel sick thinking about what she is going through, so i can only imagine how she must feel! :( I really REALLY hope to see Kat posting on Bluelight later. I lets yous know if i hear any news.....
 
Sorry kat never wished u good luk but been been able to get good gear in worcester so been gouging and real busy at work
 
Whatever happens this afternoon, it's good to see so many people making the effort to come on here and post their messages of support.

The manner in which drug users come together on forums like this is a new development in the continuing drugs war. Drug users have suffered their outrageous vilification in silence for decades and the time is now ripe to fight back. Perhaps we could take this further. If a BLer faces drug court, for a start, we should all rally round as we've done here. Next, we should come up with ways to let the authorities know we don't deserve to be treated like this. We're not criminals and it's about time we stopped apologising for our existence.

As someone said, a handful of people with an idea and a little determination can change the world. If anything needs changing in today's world, it's the Drug Laws. This wretched legislation harms more individuals than drugs ever can. Regardless of its accuracy and whether we like it or not, 'drug user' is our common identity. We need to find the means to let the world know why we shouldn't have to take it any more. We are all normal and want our freedom. We should stop cowering and howl for sanity at every opportunity. Right is on our side and let right be done.

"You know it makes sense."
 
Hi Guys

NEED some info please....


Iv got some (the real deal ) barbituates, called phenobarb.. are they ok, and are they anythin like vallium or stronger?

Iv heard a little mentioned about barbs, but dont know much about them apart from you have to be careful how many you take ect ect..

Would people want them..? how popular are they.?

Apologies for all the questions, just that i got quite a few 30mg ones

many thanx

Zara xx
 
I'm guessing that KKat may know her fate by now, fingers crossed it's good news.
I so hope we see her back on here tonight or tmrw sometime.
@Charlie Clean you have some good ideas it would be good if we could find a way to put them to use some day.
 
Hi Guys

NEED some info please....

Iv got some (the real deal ) barbituates, called phenobarb.. are they ok, and are they anythin like vallium or stronger?

Iv heard a little mentioned about barbs, but dont know much about them apart from you have to be careful how many you take ect ect..

Would people want them..? how popular are they.?

Apologies for all the questions, just that i got quite a few 30mg ones

many thanx

Zara xx
 
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Hi Guys

NEED some info please....


Iv got some (the real deal ) barbituates, called phenobarb.. are they ok, and are they anythin like vallium or stronger?

Iv heard a little mentioned about barbs, but dont know much about them apart from you have to be careful how many you take ect ect..

Would people want them..? how popular are they.?

Apologies for all the questions, just that i got quite a few 30mg ones

many thanx

Zara xx
I'll reply momentarily Zara.
I'm guessing that KKat may know her fate by now, fingers crossed it's good news.
I so hope we see her back on here tonight or tmrw sometime.

As do I. I haven't showed enough visual support for Kat but have been thinking about her situation a lot.
I just wish the best for her. This is the thing - I just don't know what to say as anything I do say won't make anything better.

But if you can read this Kat, you have all of my love and I just hope you'll be ok <3
 
Hi Guys

NEED some info please....

Iv got some (the real deal ) barbituates, called phenobarb.. are they ok, and are they anythin like vallium or stronger?

Iv heard a little mentioned about barbs, but dont know much about them apart from you have to be careful how many you take ect ect..

Would people want them..? how popular are they.?

Apologies for all the questions, just that i got quite a few 30mg ones

many thanx

Zara xx

Yes - Barbs are dangerous if not treated with the utmost respect!
NO mixing them with any other CNS depressants, and if you really want to, then make sure you don't do so the first few times of taking them.
Learn how you react to them before experimenting further.

I mean, you wouldn't - while on MDMA, Booze and LSD - just shove some 2C-B down yer neck. You want to learn about a substance in it's pure form first rather than not being able to tell what's what.

They share some characteristics of Benzos, but they also effect a few other receptors.
Read this bit of Wiki's Mechanism of Action:

NSFW:
Mechanism of actionThe principal mechanism of action of barbiturates is believed to be their affinity for the GABAA receptor (Acts on GABA : BDZ receptor Cl- channel complex). GABA is the principal inhibitory neurotransmitter in the mammalian central nervous system (CNS). Barbiturates bind to the GABAA receptor at the beta subunit, which are binding sites distinct from GABA itself and also distinct from the benzodiazepine binding site. Like benzodiazepines, barbiturates potentiate the effect of GABA at this receptor. In addition to this GABA-ergic effect, barbiturates also block the AMPA receptor, a subtype of glutamate receptor. Glutamate is the principal excitatory neurotransmitter in the mammalian CNS. Taken together, the findings that barbiturates potentiate inhibitory GABAA receptors and inhibit excitatory AMPA receptors can explain the CNS-depressant effects of these agents. At higher concentration, they inhibit the Ca2+-dependent release of neurotransmitters.[13] Barbiturates produce their pharmacological effects by increasing the duration of chloride ion channel opening at the GABAA receptor (pharmacodynamics: This increases the efficacy of GABA), whereas benzodiazepines increase the frequency of the chloride ion channel opening at the GABAA receptor (pharmacodynamics: This increases the potency of GABA). The direct gating or opening of the chloride ion channel is the reason for the increased toxicity of barbiturates compared to benzodiazepines in overdose.[14][15]

Further, barbiturates are relatively non-selective compounds that bind to an entire superfamily of ligand-gated ion channels, of which the GABAA receptor channel is only one of several representatives. This superfamily of ion channels includes the neuronal nACHR channel, the 5HT3R channel, the GlyR channel and others. However, while GABAA receptor currents are increased by barbiturates (and other general anaesthetics), ligand-gated ion channels that are predominantly permeable for cationic ions are blocked by these compounds. For example, neuronal nACHR channels are blocked by clinically relevant anaesthetic concentrations of both thiopental and pentobarbital.[16] Such findings implicate (non-GABA-ergic) ligand-gated ion channels, e.g. the neuronal nAChR channel, in mediating some of the (side) effects of barbiturates.[17]
Linky

Why do you ask if people would want them?
You can't seriously imagine we're going to say "Yes you could sell them to people for XXXX" .... are you?
I'll skip that bit.

They're not as popular as they used to be back in the 50's-60's etc. but they are most definitely very highly sought after, as they're not prescribed anymore. Or atleast there are less applications for them now because Benzos and other substances have taken over their roles.

It's extremely long-acting (53 to 118 hours) so you want to watch what you ingest the next day too.

As for dose.... I don't know. So I would tread carefully. Start with 60mg I'd say.
 
^^ nice post , monster , it's funny how lots of us feel like this for kat , iv been shouted at about 6 times today at work looking at me phone for news from court.
Whatever the outcome , I'm sure she 'll be cool , because shes pritty sound.
I just hope she gets a half decent touch.
 
I use to love barbs more dreamy than benzos - tuinol and seconal my two faves BUT very easy to OD on them , thats why they were withdramn and benzos replaced them.
 
They're not as popular as they used to be back in the 50's-60's etc. but they are most definitely highly sought after

Phenobarbs? We're not talking abourt seconal or tuinol here. I'd imagine the only people who'd seek phenobarbs are epileptics without access to a doctor or cheapskates looking to save on the vet's bill when it's time to dispatch Tiddles or Fido to their eternal rest. I know things aren't what they used to be but if phenobarbs are now considered a hot high it's time to turn out the light.

Love your optimism, cazamac, let's hope your prediction is spot on. Right, strungout, interesting, isn't it? Believe it was Margaret Mead who made the fanmous quote about what a handful of ordinary men and women can do when right is one their side and they put their mind to it. The bagheads of Blue Light can change the world. I think Pink Papaver said that in 2010.
 
av got my fingers crossed if she was up in scotland courts she wouldnt get time,did she say what time she would get back home at @charlie
 
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