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Regional Heroin Discussion v13: Points of reference

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I just got back to London from Australia, and although I am lucky to have good contacts there and hence don't have much of an idea what the quality of the *street* gear is (or how hard it is to find), it didn't at all feel like a drought over there. Gear was readily available, and perhaps not the best I've had over there, it was definitely good quality.

Due to lack of contacts/knowledge of the scene in London, I don't use when I'm over here (which I guess is a good thing, although at times I'd love to satisfy that craving), but I just don't understand how/why there is such a drought in the UK when in Australia the gear is readily available and good quality.

Maybe as someone else said, it does come down to price. I pay <snip> for 1.7 grams. From reading this thread, it seems that price is a *lot* more expensive than you get here (£10 for 0.1?). I'd happily pay £50 for 0.1 if I could guarantee it to be as good quality as in Aus. Your dealers need to sort themselves out!
 
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I just got back to London from Australia, and although I am lucky to have good contacts there and hence don't have much of an idea what the quality of the *street* gear is (or how hard it is to find), it didn't at all feel like a drought over there. Gear was readily available, and perhaps not the best I've had over there, it was definitely good quality.

Due to lack of contacts/knowledge of the scene in London, I don't use when I'm over here (which I guess is a good thing, although at times I'd love to satisfy that craving), but I just don't understand how/why there is such a drought in the UK when in Australia the gear is readily available and good quality.

Maybe as someone else said, it does come down to price. I pay <snip> for 1.7 grams. From reading this thread, it seems that price is a *lot* more expensive than you get here (£10 for 0.1?). I'd happily pay £50 for 0.1 if I could guarantee it to be as good quality as in Aus. Your dealers need to sort themselves out!

wow!that is <snip> for 1.7g
I'd pay a lot for good gear but i dunno that i'd pay that
that's £17.50 per.1
it'd have to be pretty fucking good
is that what everyone pays over there?
 
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Had a few days off drinking my jollop , nice & content.
Come home today pissed after the gold cup and the mrs talked me into scoring.
Same old fucking shitty average gear, got to smoke half a teenth to get stoned. It's bollocks !

I'm giving my fella miss for now , he's told the mrs he can get 10/10 gear but it's to dear , so he sticks with the below par shit at PD prices.... What a mug.
I know a couple other people who feel the same and he's lost there custom , I'm buying a 1/4 less a week of him already , so he's fucking himself long run.
 
I had a tester of summat the other day and it was proper decent. Went back the next day for the 4 bags he promised me he'd save me and the idiot had sold it. Not had a reload since which makes me think it was a flash in the pan and aint getting it again.

I scored summat today but it's average at best, 5/10 perhaps. I'm sick to death of this shit now.

I'm going to the USA soon and I really wanna score summat while I'm there but without the contacts I aint risking going out to just anyone! If I cud get summat that was proper good again then it'd remind me of how gear used to be over here.

Just reading about how Australia has decent shit so there really can be no excuse for the drought we're seeing here. Except greed on behalf of the dealers. But most of the dealers I know realise it's a negative economy selling shit stuff. People will score once then not come back for ages cos it's crap. This has to continue up the chain too so I just don't get it. Exactly what strungout just said.

Most dealers are like 'I aint paying <snip> and 1/8th' so they don't and just get the crap. Then it takes forever to shift it...
 
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Just reading about how Australia has decent shit so there really can be no excuse for the drought we're seeing here. Except greed on behalf of the dealers.

Except Australia is probably getting H produced in S.E.Asia, whereas we're getting it from Afghanistan. They're not at war with S.E.Asia so probably have more open borders for travellers coming from that direction, unlike us, not to mention Australia's chuffin' massive. Pick a beach, any beach. You could off-load tonnes of the stuff before a copper's even found it on a map.

Having said all that, <snip> for a teenth is mental money. Works out at £17 - 18 for a 0.1 bag. Madness. Better be verging 100% pure for that?
 
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wow!that is <snip> for 1.7g
I'd pay a lot for good gear but i dunno that i'd pay that
that's £17.50 per.1
it'd have to be pretty fucking good
is that what everyone pays over there?

Actually, most people would pay more - these are the prices you get if you're prepared to cough up for a 1.7. Otherwise, street deals are $50 for a "cap" - which is whatever size the dealer makes it - I'm guessing around 0.1g but may be a little more, often though it would be less.

But the quality is bloody good. My guess is it's always over 70%, and often closer to 80 or 90. As I said, I haven't had a taste of the gear here, so I'd have no idea the comparison. But this is how things are in Oz.

What I don't get though, is if issues with Afghani sources are causing a drought over here, why aren't people trying to source it from S.E. Asia instead?
 
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Actually, most people would pay more - these are the prices you get if you're prepared to cough up for a 1.7. Otherwise, street deals are $50 for a "cap" - which is whatever size the dealer makes it - I'm guessing around 0.1g but may be a little more, often though it would be less.

But the quality is bloody good. My guess is it's always over 70%, and often closer to 80 or 90. As I said, I haven't had a taste of the gear here, so I'd have no idea the comparison. But this is how things are in Oz.

What I don't get though, is if issues with Afghani sources are causing a drought over here, why aren't people trying to source it from S.E. Asia instead?

this thread has been going since nov 2010 and that has been suggested so many times
alas,I don't think the importers read Bluelight
people would lap it up-even at those prices,I reckon
 
Hey guys, I've snipped a few prices - EADD is the only forum on BL that allows price discussion but we have to be careful or we won't be able to continue to do this :\ I know a teenth is not really bulk but I do think we should try to keep it at 1g max.

Also - the talk of importing it is straying into dodgy territory, whether it is hypothetical or not. Again we have to be really careful what we discuss or this thread will be closed down - focus should be on discussing the current situation in the UK, what batches are around, harm reduction, supporting one anoter etc - no talk about importing or sources. Hope that is okay with you all, sorry to be strict but I just don't want to see this thread closed (or anyone to incriminate themselves) :)

edit: re IVing pills - the fillers and binders can lodge in your lungs causing an irreversible lung condition not a million miles away from emphysema, it is definitely not a safe thing to do. It's really important that if you do you use a micron/wheel filter (why you need to do this) and never heat the pill. Opioids are freely soluble in cold water (heroin is a bit different as the diamorphine is a freebase and the heat helps it to react to form the soluble salt) - if you heat a pill you are just dissolving more crap that you really don't want clogging up your veins and lungs..
 
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Haven't bothered using it with owt else

it's in Dicanol .

only ever had Diconal once in my life pretty much the same time I started using
haven't seen it since then
used to be dentists would prescribe it
dunno that it is prescribed in this country anymore
I think because it has an antiemetic in it so it is a potential suicide risk
same reason they stopped prescribing co-proxamol recently
because it was being used in suicides
 
It's still in the BNF but I don't think it is ever prescribed really. The one with cyclizine is no longer listed def. You could well be right about the suicide risk, makes sense..

Cyclizine works for most causes of nausea especially chemically induced ones, it definitely does work for all opioids although some of the opie-nausea is caused by your stomach/gut not moving (same mechanism that causes consipation) so an antiemetic which targets that such as metoclopramide or domperidone sometimes works better. Cyclizine is v useful though, it has antihistamine properties too so helps the itch as well. Prescription only though unfortunately..
 
Hi Class-A-Team!!! :) Are you doing your Leaving Cert Exams this year? Yes heroin is a crazy drug to get into before you have even left school! With the quality of heroin been so weak at the moment it would be a good time to get clean! Heroin always brings people down a lonely & dark road, give your life a chance before the gear takes your life over completely........

I have friends who IV, some of them have been using heroin for 30 years, but most of them have either stopped using heroin altogether since the drought or else they just have an occasional smoke, now just like i do. With the Dublin gear been only 5% people are worrying about what is in the other 95%. I was at the methadone clinic to-day, i have to go once every two weeks to do a drugs test & get my methadone prescription, i'd say 70% of the people i met in the clinic to-day have stopped using altogether & the other 30% are just have the occasional smoke. People are sick of been ripped off!!!

Before the drought i was using heroin daily, so i never passed my drugs test in the clinic. I used to have to go to the clinic once every week to do a drugs test & then i had to go to my chemist Every Single Day to get my methadone & i had to be supervised taking it. Coz of this i always had to stay near home so that i didn't miss my chemist, i couldn't ever go away for the weekend or anything like that & it was so hard trying to make it back to the chemist after work in time before the chemist closed. Methadone is such a tie down, i always live in fear of missing the chemist, it awful.

Also the side effects of methadone are awful, it has of all the bad side effects that you get off heroin plus more, but it doesn't give you any of the good stuff that you get from heroin, there is no buzz off it what-so-ever, it just leaves you feeling blagh all the time! :(

At the start of the drought i managed to pass my drugs test for 8 weeks in a row so they changed it so i only had to go to the clinic once every 2 weeks! Then when i continued passing my drugs test they started to given me a weekly take away of methadone from the chemist, so at least i don't have to run around town like a mad women every day trying to make it back to the chemist before it closes! But if i started to fail my drugs tests again then i'd have to go back to the old way of daily pick ups! So now i normally use for a few days after i've been to the clinic & then i stay clean for the second week so i pass my drug test when i go back. Its a real balancing act! It no way to live!

The life of a heroin addict just gets worse as the years go by, you end up looking like shit, your teeth start falling out no matter ho much you look after them. You never have any money for your self coz heroin takes every single penny that you earn. After a while you stop getting a buzz off the heroin even if its good gear, all it does is keep you barely feeling well. You end up loosing all your non heroin using mates, it can get so lonely, if your family were to find out it would hurt them & they would stop trusting you. Also you live in constant fear of been caught with heroin, if you are caught you could go to jail, as well you would end up with a criminal record, that means that there are certain jobs that you would never be allowed to do & certain countries that you wouldn't even be let into to visit!

Soon you realized that there is nothing enjoyable left in heroin, its all hassle & risk, you'll always be broke & feeling sick! Thats when people normally go on methadone & as i explained above that is a whole lot of grief & hassle in itself! Then you end up with a heroin addiction AND a methadone addiction, & thats scary as hell when it happens!

Heroin is a road that starts off as a great buzz, but it always turns bad, no good ever comes out of it! But by the time you realize how bad your life has become its often too late, your brain is totally programed to use heroin & its so bloody hard to stop using it! Sure look after a year & 4 months of only crap gear been available i'm still spending most of my money on it, it becomes a habit that is near impossible to break! :(

I know you didn't ask me what life of a heroin addict is like & i'm sorry for going on & on, 8( i know i must sound like an awful hypocrite!!! But if there is anything that i could do or say to make you stop using heroin then i would do it! You have your whole life ahead of you, you'll be finished school in a few months & then the world is you oyster! Don't let heroin take you over coz it will never totally let you go!

Ok Class-A-Team that is the end of the nagging! I promise not to lecture you again, well i will try not to! ;) Just look after your self & i hope that you do well in your leaving Cert Exams! I'm hoping to go back to College in September! I'm 40 years old, so its now are never!!!! Take Care & remember that i'm always here if you need a chat! You come across as very clued up & mature, don't let heroin squeeze that out of you! <3

Thanks a million for all the advice, Ructions, I really appreciate it and I am definitely re-thinking my behaviour. To be honest, I always feel guilty - even to the point of feeling nauseous - when I think about scoring. I suppose I'm going against every bit of sense or morals I have and it's not a nice feeling. Of course if I were addicted it would no longer be a question of morals, but when I have everything that I need and no excuse to throw my life away and I'm still not addicted, it just doesn't feel right but I go ahead with it all the same. So I'm thinking about it a bit more because I know I have a lot at stake, well everything really.

Also I hope that things work out for you in whatever way you feel happiest, whether you want to conquer your addiction or just keep it under control when the good gear comes back (because I'm sure it will). I don't really know anything about you but you seem to be a very kind and thoughtful person and your upbeat spirit is well-appreciated by many on this thread and from what I gather, you deserve more happiness in your life. Thanks for all your help and support! :)

Anyway, while I'm writing this I just thought I'd let you know that I was talking to my dealer earlier and he's selling at 20euro a bag again, because the stuff he's after getting is really nice and everyone's looking for some. I don't know how true this is because I don't trust him as far as I could throw him, he's very manipulative, but maybe there's some truth in it? I'm sure you'll hear about it if it is all he makes it out to be! :\
 
I have to agree with all the advise ructions gave you
I'm sure you are sick of being lectured about your drug use
I just want to say,I been using for nearly 18yrs now and I really don't remember life without gear
I do remember my first rattle and with the benefit of hindsight(wouldn't that be cool),I wish I'd gone through it then-woulda been so easy and saved so much pain and anguish
like most users,I have always worked for my habit but when having no work,I did what I could to get by
now I am facing 3-5yrs in jail(sentencing on 13th april)
it's scary but I've seen it coming for years now
dunno if you read my post which was an update about an ex moderator here called 'glitched'
unlike most of us,he saw it coming-knew that if he kept using he would lose everything he holds dear(girlfriend/family/job/any respect/passtimes of which he is a pretty big player-cannot go into derails here)...he saw it coming and he quit
most of us here have seen it coming but have just let it happen anyway
you'll never get the buzz you had the first few times you used even if you stopped for a few years then started again-it'll never happen so don't let it drag you down
I also promise not to lecture anymore
just don't want you making the same mistakes I have

And thanks Kat, I really appreciate it. :) I do feel a bit silly indulging in such an addictive drug! Your situation may seem very bleak now but things can only get better and hopefully this will change your life and help you in the grand scheme of things?
 
Hi Class-A-Team! :) I'm glad that you are not annoyed with me! I don't want to come across as a nagging auld one! But everything that Kkat & i said is true, in fact i have never met a heroin addict who said that they like being a heroin addict or that heroin is the best choice they ever made, people always regret it, always!

But you have a good head on your shoulders, if you hadn't told me what age you were then i never would have guessed. Finishing school this year will be such a big step for you! Your so lucky to have your whole life ahead of you! Make sure that you enjoy every minute of it, coz time really flies!!! Your a good person & i know you'll do the right thing!

Did you have a good Paddies Day? Pity it was so cold & wet! I had to work to-day which is a real bummer! I got soaked coming home, it was raining so heavy! So i gave in & scored again & it was the same old stuff! Although its maybe a tiny bit stronger, it smells stronger when its burning & it tastes a bit stronger but its still far far from proper gear! The guy will only sell €20 bags, he won't do any weight at all!

I haven't taken my methadone since Wednesday coz i've been scoring since i was at the clinic. I was wet & miserable coming home o-day & i was feeling really sick coz i only smoked a small bit this morning before i left for work. So when i got home i got a tray together straight away, & even though its weak gear i was feeling much better after smoking only half of my tray! My withdrawals had really started to kick in bad before i had a smoke! Its so weird the way this gear seems so weak yet it stops W.D's! Maybe there is some sort of other opiate mixed in with it as well as the 5% heroin? I just finishing my second tray now & i feel 100% well! :) But i'm not stoned! :( Its a strange one! 8(

Take Care of your self Class A! & remember that i'm always here for you if your worried about anything or if you ever need a chat!!! P.M. me anytime! :)
 
Anyway, while I'm writing this I just thought I'd let you know that I was talking to my dealer earlier and he's selling at 20euro a bag again, because the stuff he's after getting is really nice and everyone's looking for some. I don't know how true this is because I don't trust him as far as I could throw him, he's very manipulative, but maybe there's some truth in it? I'm sure you'll hear about it if it is all he makes it out to be! :\
i keep saying that ireland all gear will be shit till all the uk is back to normal as our best stuff before the drought was allways a little weaker than the average stuff in the uk
 
Wait till the Mexicans arrive in Dublin. SOCA representatives visit El Paso for briefings on how to stop the cartels expanding their operations into the UK after reports their operatives have already established bases in European capitals and are consolidating connections and routes right now. So keep an eye out for sombreros, moustaches and machine pistols along O'Connell Street and be friendly to new immigrants from South America. Si, si, senor, quieremo la roba buena. Prontissimo, por favor!
 
Wait till the Mexicans arrive in Dublin. SOCA representatives visit El Paso for briefings on how to stop the cartels expanding their operations into the UK after reports their operatives have already established bases in European capitals and are consolidating connections and routes right now. So keep an eye out for sombreros, moustaches and machine pistols along O'Connell Street and be friendly to new immigrants from South America. Si, si, senor, quieremo la roba buena. Prontissimo, por favor!

Lol, one can only hope ;)

From a recent little slip of mine I'd say that the gear is about half what it was before the drought started. I've no idea about percentages but I'd definitely bet on it being over 5%. Maybe 15% if what we were getting before was 30%.

In other words getting better, but still not quite there yet.
 
Got 2 bags of that really dark shit which makes the odd appearance when there's fuck all decent about. Candies up in to a nice dark chocolatey blob but has no kit taste at all and it takes ages to re solidify when the lighter is removed from it. That was from who had the best round here so I'm giving up for a while. If the soldiers are in Afghanistan to gain control of the heroin trade then we're fucked. All that top quality brown's gonna end up in America...:(
 
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