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Regional Heroin Discussion v13: Points of reference

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Im staying in Dublin! Leaving tomoz for the ferry...... well im mostly irish, but born in UK.

I had a bit of B's over here from a mate....... you guys arent having much luck!
 
@ructions: howehyeh darlin ;) Think I might pick up 20 of them vallies myself actually as I'm going in during the week to get my dreads back which wont be possible to do sober or else I'll have a fucking panic attack. Alas its a good 5/6 hour job so I wont be able to leg it to the jacks and hide...though I may be able to slip out intermittently for a few lines. Yer mans just after picking up a new batch (which I hope isnt cut with the same as the last as it turns my stomach, something I really dont need at all right now). If they're blues take one if you're unsure, but if you can handle the one then take two and that should compliment the gear nicely - what I do myself is I have a drink or two before I start my tray (usually while waiting for the delivery) and then by the time I have my first line the booze has kicked in and the gear goes down very nice I must say.

Did you have a nice chrimbo dear? Sorry for not texting, heads been in shite to tell the truth but I'm getting merrier by the minute - dead set for new years so I am - hope to see you in the new year! x

@wcote: True indeed friend, but I am noticing an improvement. The better stuff has come around again so I'm going to check that out tomorrow - progress, slowly but surely though. Mostly Irish eh? Where abouts are your parents from if you dont mind me asking friend?
 
Yeah & his hour often means two hours! BUT he has valum as well! Ummm i'll wait for a while & see what happens! I'm feeling fairly sick as well coz i haven't taken my methadone, i don't want to take it when i'm scoring, but i'm starting to feel fairly rough, i was due to take it at 12pm, so i'm 5 hours late taken it.

The last time i took valum i took 5 blues & 3 zimmos & i just feel fast asleep for the night, i don't want hat happening again, so how many blues should i take along with the gear? The gear is low grade, so should i take 3 blues? Or maybe just 2? I haven't used valum much in the last 6 years so i have no tolerance. So how many should i take to get a nice buzz?

Really you shouldn't need to take anything to potentiate your gear
all these people saying they had such a nice buzz from their gear but that they took vali's too-wtf?
But I understand where you are coming from Ructions-if all the gear you can get(and have been getting for so long now)needs something to add a kick then taking a blue is understandable.
Just the one should do the trick if you have no tolerance.any more then I think you are just gonna get knocked out by the benzos and not really feel anything from your gear.
Well-I just had 2 weeks off.Except that last weds and this Monday one of my regular dealers has sent round samples for me to try for him
the first one was terrible and I chucked it away after a couple of runs
the second one was better and I could taste the gear straight away but it was still dirty,very red and had a really nasty aftertaste
He asked me if it would sell-I said to buy enough to keep him in business but to keep looking
I have another guy who I have been buying from more than any other during this drought.I really trust hi and have known him for at least 15years.I called him today as my test is already a fail after testing those 2 samples for that guy.
He is only selling .2 bags but the gear is really nice-really light tan but so clean and runs dark brown-no red
I have another guy who sells .4 bags and last time his quality was good,but not as good as this guys.If he could do weight for me he would and he knows I would pay the extra but he says it is strictly bags right now.He did say how much he paid for it,but I can't remember and I couldn't say on here anyways.
My 2 weeks off over xmas means I have quite a stash of cash left even after buying all the family nice pressies and treating the kids to a Carribean takeaway.It's weird to have all this money.I think I am gonna try n stick with just using for a few days each fortnight-try n give some clean samples and get some money together.I need some set aside for things to come this year.Speaking of which I haven't told my folks yet but I plan to next time I see them.Dreading it but has to be done.
 
Its improving for most - (waiting for 10 people to say otherwise) 8)

My mum is from Dublin, she is all Irish.

My Dad recently found out he is half Northern Irish!!! I think Belfast,

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Anyone know any word about gear in Blackburn area? Not scored there in couple of years now and last time was home few months back got a number but its dead now. May have to go hooker trawling if anyone says it's good, not had no gear in too long. But being honest i'll prolly do it if noone says nothing. Oh welllllll
 
I know man, what are the chances the the only two chaps I know with half decent are both chair bound eh? Fuckin remarkable.

I'm going to hold out a bit longer as if I do a CWE and then eventually do score, I'll get fuck all effect from the smoke.
I'm feeling a tad better now anyway, but I'm in no fucking state to deal with pharmacists right now - havent shaved in a week and the thoughts of that chill december air haunts me more than this present skag to be honest.

I think the tossing and turning last sleepless night made things seem worse than they were. Was just on the jacks for about 25mins there, sneezing my way through a 2 pound delivery I'd been building up inside me for the last week and a half. Rough. Found enough for a line and did that so thats settled the back pain a little...gotta stop doing this shit to myself.
t it . I remember
Hope alls well man.
now you have a bit of a problem whit it . I remember you saying you don't get sick it didn't take to long man...
 
YAY!!! My test was negative for opiates to-day! I hadn't used for 9 days so i was fairly sure it would be negative, but in the past even the weakest of gear has stayed in my system for up to 11 days! So i was glad that it was negative! :)

So i celebrated by scoring! & headed over to South Dublin to score, i got gear that sounds similar to what some others have been scoring, its the frosty gear. It burns ok, but as the beetle hardens it gets a frosty coating over it. It wasn't any better or worse then what i've been scoring all along, its just still crappy drought gear! I got 1gram, if it had been any good i would have got more & stocked up for xmass day, but i think i'll hang on & hope something better comes along!

I don't know which was better? Was last xmass better when i couldn't score any gear at all coz there was nothing about? Or is this year better were the gear is weak but at least i can score? Ummmm.... i don't know which is worse/better?

I was talking to a girl i know to-day, she isn't on methadone so she has been scoring through-out the whole drought, i have to wonder if after a year & 2 months of using the crap gear over here has she got much of an addiction anymore? I mean if she gave up now surly her withdrawals wouldn't be as bad as if she'd been using proper heroin all along?

Anyway she has a 30year habit so she has an endless list of dealers in her phone, she was telling me that a lot of dealers in Dublin are getting the weak gear that we have over here & then they are cutting it with something that they get out of the Hemp shop. Apparently there is some stuff that is sold in Hemp shops that is a powder that looks exactly like heroin, she said its only €3 for & big bag & it runs on foil when mixed with heroin. She said that it doesn't run all that well but it does run. She wasn't sure what the powder is or whats its meant to be used for, but she said she was in a dealers house & she saw him using it & apparently he said everyone is cutting gear with it? I wonder what this powder is & what is it supposed to be for? Its amazing & sickening to think of all the crap they are putting into the gear, what am i spending my hard earned cash on? I wish i was a scientist so i could test the gear over here to find out what the hell is in it? One things i know for sure there is very little heroin in it!!! Ugh.... nearly xmass, blagh! 8(

I've not had a script throughout the drought either. Never have had one. But i've gotta agree, the rattles from months and months of using this average gear are a pisstake. I can take 50mg of meth first day and then last 24hrs then next day or two take nothing with only mild discomfort/lack of sleep. It's ridiculous. Compared to when was getting good gear and 2/3 weeks of daily use i'd be vomitting/shitting all over the place for days on end :\
 
I've not had a script throughout the drought either. Never have had one. But i've gotta agree, the rattles from months and months of using this average gear are a pisstake. I can take 50mg of meth first day and then last 24hrs then next day or two take nothing with only mild discomfort/lack of sleep. It's ridiculous. Compared to when was getting good gear and 2/3 weeks of daily use i'd be vomitting/shitting all over the place for days on end :\

I am on a script, i'm on 60mls a day, don't know how i'd have got through the drought without it?! In that post i was glad my drug test was negative for opiates coz i get my methadone on weekly take aways. I haven't been using much through out the drought coz of the bad quality, so coz my tests were clean i got take away. But i have an unbelievably slow metabolism so it takes even the weakest of gear up to 11 days to leave my system! Its a head wreck!

I do a drug test at the clinic once every two weeks, so that only gives me about 5 days every 2 weeks that i can use gear, i don't mind now coz the gear is still weak in Dublin, but if the good stuff ever comes back it won't be as easy not to use!

It must have been hard for you through out the drought without a script Cbroxide, but in saying that methadone is worse then heroin, the withdrawals from methadone are so much worse then heroin withdrawals, so if you can manage without a script then do! Otherwise you'll end up with two addictions! Good luck either-way! :)
 
Aye that's always what i've wanted to avoid. Heard too many horror stories of meth withdrawls. But managed through drought just barely, was having to use at least £100 a-day, probably could of got by on half that, but inner addict and all that :\. So when my grafting ran dry i'd plan it so I bought 100/200ml meth use that for 2/3 days no more, then feel perfectly fine. Honestly don't get why meth is scripted for long enough to get addicted. If you use it just for 3 days and stop you feel fine. Gear is out your system and not been on it long enough to get addicted to meth.
 
now you have a bit of a problem whit it . I remember you saying you don't get sick it didn't take to long man...

Yeah its so awful the way it creeps up on you! I'll never forget my first bad withdrawal! I didn't think i was hooked that bad at the time until i couldn't score one night, at about 2am hell started for me! I couldn't find anything to score till 4pm the next day, by that stage i was a shivering aching mess! Your mind & body goes to some very dark places when your withdrawing, dark times, a time i'd rather forget! :|
 
^ That's the absolute worst. When you know you don't have enough gear to last you till you can score again. Just knowing the impending doom, then having to somehow venture outdoors when you just want to die and get the drugs. EURGH.
 
Aye that's always what i've wanted to avoid. Heard too many horror stories of meth withdrawls. But managed through drought just barely, was having to use at least £100 a-day, probably could of got by on half that, but inner addict and all that :\. So when my grafting ran dry i'd plan it so I bought 100/200ml meth use that for 2/3 days no more, then feel perfectly fine. Honestly don't get why meth is scripted for long enough to get addicted. If you use it just for 3 days and stop you feel fine. Gear is out your system and not been on it long enough to get addicted to meth.

Yeah i remember when i'd only been using heroin for about a year, i bought methadone on the street. I stopped using gear & started with 45mls of methadone a day & dropped the dose daily for 3 weeks until i was clean & i felt fine afterwards! I stayed clean for 3 months without any problems, until i relapsed!

I think the reason people stay on methadone so long is coz they are using it along with heroin, i just use methadone to get me through the days that i haven't got heroin. It lets me have a heron habit without ever been sick, i know that is not what is meant for, but thats how most of us use it i think.....
 
Same here,been on a script since about 2004 I think. The only reason I want a script is so that on the days I can't score due to lack of cash or whatever,I know that I can still go to work without being as sick as a dog.
I know that without my script I would have lost my job a long time ago. Before my script I took so many days off work sick cos I was clucking.
 
fuck waiting an hour.

Why, oh why didn't i take your advice Wcote? I ended up having to wait till 4AM for that bloke!!! You said "fuck waiting an hour" & my Boyfriend said the same thing, he wanted to go across town to where we could meet a guy with gear straight away, as Mr. Ructions said "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" But would i listen? NO! Why wouldn't i? Coz i'm greedy!!!

The guy i waited for delivers right to my door & he does bigger deals & he sells 6 bags for the price of 5 & he has valum, where the guy across town is an hour round trip away, his deals are smaller, he charges full price for 6 bags & he doesn't sell valum. So it made sense to wait for the bigger & cheaper, more local deal with pills too! Also i had rang the bloke on Monday night to ask him would he meet me on Tuesday at 4 o'clock in the day time, i planned ahead or so i thought!

But he left us waiting till 4 o'clock in the morning! 12 hours late! Once it had gone past 10pm it was too late to score off the other bloke across town, i wish i'd listen to the advice yous gave me!

Why are dealers never straight with us? They keep saying they'll be there in 20mins but its all bullshit! I wish they could just be straight with us & if they don't have the gear i wish they'd just say so!

I was dieing sick by the time he got here, i should have taken my methadone at 12 o'clock lunch time but i didn't want to take it as i was scoring! What a waste of a day off work!!! AND after all that he didn't even have any valum!!! He said he can't get to it till tomorrow!!! & the gear is still only a third of the strength of what was around before the drought!! GURrrrr...... Is it really worth all this hassle, stress & expense??? Ugh!!!

(Sorry about all the moaning, i just needed to let of steam! I hate waiting for shit gear with no pills!!! :!)
 
Fucking hate that ructions. I had similar other day. Rang at about 12 in afternoon said be sorted in hour. Call in hour, nah nah another 30 minutes. This carries on until i'm clucking my fucking bollocks off and eventually score at 9pm. Takes the piss sometimes. Wish they'd just tell you straight.
 
Fucking hate that ructions. I had similar other day. Rang at about 12 in afternoon said be sorted in hour. Call in hour, nah nah another 30 minutes. This carries on until i'm clucking my fucking bollocks off and eventually score at 9pm. Takes the piss sometimes. Wish they'd just tell you straight.

I agree
 
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Fucking hate that ructions. I had similar other day. Rang at about 12 in afternoon said be sorted in hour. Call in hour, nah nah another 30 minutes. This carries on until i'm clucking my fucking bollocks off and eventually score at 9pm. Takes the piss sometimes. Wish they'd just tell you straight.

Thats the first thing you learn as a junkie - learning to wait
 
I am on a script, i'm on 60mls a day, don't know how i'd have got through the drought without it?

It must have been hard for you through out the drought without a script Cbroxide, but in saying that methadone is worse then heroin, the withdrawals from methadone are so much worse then heroin withdrawals, so if you can manage without a script then do! Otherwise you'll end up with two addictions! Good luck either-way! :)


Up to 1970 civilised British values, now largely extinct, allowed unfortunate heroin addicts to receive their heroin on prescription.

The, for reasons complex and murky, it was replaced by methadone. Users were switched to methadone and told they were now 'clean'. In reality, they were methadone addicts, as they learned as soon as they tried to stop it. And, as for most users it didn't 'hit the spot' as heroin did, they patronised a new black market. The years passed, user numbers went through the roof, the drug black market became the UK's premier crime industry and users in treatment incorporated their government sponsored addiction into the rest.

Finally, someone saw this just wasn't working. But, instead of seeing methadone scriptees continuing to buy heroin as indicating they needed heroin, they decided to remove the methadone and try to 'encourage' users to 'get clean'. The reasons for this apparent opiophobia are again complex. The consequences aren't. Despite 90% of street junk being under 20% pure, business is booming as never before, desperate addicts commit all kinds of desperate crime to keep ahead of their monkey, the worst, most corrupt people get rich and powerful and everyone else suffers.

Ever woken up in the morning and realised you've a problem of your own making? Our society and politicians need to do just that and see the 'heroin problem' is largely a consequence of their own folly and fantasy. If Ructions and everyone else on here sent their posts to NTA Policy, it may just encourage a clearer understanding and, hopefully, a return to a wider prescription of diamorphine. Think of the shit you've come out with at clinic appointments, multiply it by a hundred thousand and you can't really blame those 'in charge' for not quite grasping how it really works. Think of the shit dumped on us since kindergarden and you can't blame us, either.

The brown I saw here over Christmas was ok, I suppose, by contemporary standards but back in the day vendors of such stuff would've been run out of town on a rail. But, as others observe elsewhere, the shit sells like hot cakes. As does 'crack' I suspect is less cocaine than some kind of procaine/amphetamine mix. Man, the country has a 'drug problem' on every level.
 
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