Regional Heroin Availability: v9

[Myshkin]

I last scored brown in about October, and I know the gear was pretty decent then. Half a bag would generally put me in a very nice place indeed, at least until I started to smoke every day with predictable results on my tolerance. This was from a low-level dealer, far from me shopping at the junkie Harrods or anything like that.

I've said this before, but being a recreational user often puts you in a better position to comment on the quality of gear. I've scored with people who were addicts using on top of scripts and often in the past it's been absolute shite that I've struggled to get anything out of.

For them, though, it 'holds' them and maybe sedates them a bit more than what they're prescribed so they keep on buying. I'm not saying many addicts know nothing about gear; obviously they do by definition. Just that a man dying of thirst isn't going to complain that the glass of water you hand him is dirty and above room temperature, is he?

Then again, there is better stuff about. A lot of cutting still happens at street level, so there will naturally be small pockets of people with decent dealers (almost an oxymoron) who will more-or-less consistently get decent (and in the UK that's above 30% purity) gear. So to generalise about standards before the drought is ultimately a mistake, as it all depends on sources. As ever.

Now I can't speak for anything pre-1999 as that's when I had my first smoke, but I know there hasn't been a noticeable overall drop in quality since then. Fluctuations, yes, but a nosedive no. I'm also well aware that it's pretty absurd to make qualitative comparisons over such a long period of time because subjectivity and nostalgia cloud the issue somewhat.

Claiming to have '10/10' gear (or even worse, 'fire') is fucking ridiculous though, I'll give you that.

 

[pinkpapaver]

my test of strength will be when i buy a bag (0.2) and i 'm wrecked before i smoke half of it,

 

[thattoh]

I've said this before, but being a recreational user often puts you in a better position to comment on the quality of gear.

That is a ridiculas thing to say. How can someone with no tolerence say if gear is strong. Anyone who isn't opiate tolerant is going to feel stronger effects off smaller "doses"
but I guess nobody wouldn't get anything off the shite that has been knocking about.

But your spot on with the nostalgia clouding judgment, and that was my point.

 

[Myshkin]

That is a ridiculas thing to say. How can someone with no tolerence say if gear is strong.

I'll simplify. I have no tolerance. I try some gear and it does nothing noteworthy to me. Somebody with a habit, however, says it's alright as they're a) probably scripted already and b) just mantaining their habit, meaning they haven't actually felt that much beyond 'normality' from gear in a long, long time.

I've seen this happen time and again.

A non-smack analogy might help you understand what I'm saying. A diazepam addict might take a massive dose of diazepam a day, to the extent that they don't feel a prescription 5mg diazepam. Somebody with no tolerance, however, would probably feel noticeable effects from that 5mg.

Does the fact that the addict doesn't feel the effects of the 5mg mean it's no good? Of course not.

To further clarify, I'm not talking about who can identify gear that's 'strong'; by definition anybody can tell that, tolerance or not. I'm talking about telling the difference between average and blatantly sub-par.

 

[thattoh]

You say you've seen people with habits or scripted say that gear is ok when you have had no effect off it, well to me they sound like the type of person that kids therselves, and who have encouraged dealers to dance all over the gear. That type of addict is happy to stick to the one dealer, and convince themselves it's ok, yeah I've seen people like that too.

I am not trying to make myself sound like a black belt head, but I would travel for good swag, I do not score off the same person if there is nicer about, I think after the time I've spent on the gear, I do know what's what.

I know what your saying about the Valium user and the doses, but I'd have thought most addicts know how much in powder it's gonna take them to get a gouch, so just having a smaller thing he/she wouldn't feel anthing off it.

I still don't think a recreational user could better judge gear, I'll give you a example. One of the blokes who I test for asked a lad who had packed the gear in (apart from the odd dabble), to test for him. He threw it on the foil, tooted a bit, and said yeah it's ok. The bloke listened to this guy and bought a oz. Nobody bought the gear, and everone was asking why the fuck had he got him to test it.

We are never going to agree on this, so I'll get my coat!!

 

[Myshkin]

One of the blokes who I test for asked a lad who had packed the gear in (apart from the odd dabble), to test for him. He threw it on the foil, tooted a bit, and said yeah it's ok.

I can see what you mean, but I'm not talking about just tooting a bit and offering an opinion. I'm talking about getting a nod out of it or not, which is far less subjective; in fact it's pretty damn objective.

You know more or less what I'm getting at anyway. No need to get your coat at all.

 

[brimz]

I last scored brown in about October, and I know the gear was pretty decent then. Half a bag would generally put me in a very nice place indeed, at least until I started to smoke every day with predictable results on my tolerance. This was from a low-level dealer, far from me shopping at the junkie Harrods or anything like that.

I've said this before, but being a recreational user often puts you in a better position to comment on the quality of gear. I've scored with people who were addicts using on top of scripts and often in the past it's been absolute shite that I've struggled to get anything out of.

For them, though, it 'holds' them and maybe sedates them a bit more than what they're prescribed so they keep on buying. I'm not saying many addicts know nothing about gear; obviously they do by definition. Just that a man dying of thirst isn't going to complain that the glass of water you hand him is dirty and above room temperature, is he?

Then again, there is better stuff about. A lot of cutting still happens at street level, so there will naturally be small pockets of people with decent dealers (almost an oxymoron) who will more-or-less consistently get decent (and in the UK that's above 30% purity) gear. So to generalise about standards before the drought is ultimately a mistake, as it all depends on sources. As ever.

Now I can't speak for anything pre-1999 as that's when I had my first smoke, but I know there hasn't been a noticeable overall drop in quality since then. Fluctuations, yes, but a nosedive no. I'm also well aware that it's pretty absurd to make qualitative comparisons over such a long period of time because subjectivity and nostalgia cloud the issue somewhat.

Claiming to have '10/10' gear (or even worse, 'fire') is fucking ridiculous though, I'll give you that.

So youv'e been smoking gear for 12 years recreationally?
I've had a habbit 4 awhile on n off and i reckon your chatting bolox no offence like.

 

[Myshkin]

So youv'e been smoking gear for 12 years recreationally?
I've had a habbit 4 awhile on n off and i reckon your chatting bolox no offence like.

No, you don't understand what I'm saying.

I've said this before, but being a recreational user often puts you in a better position to comment on the quality of gear.

The word 'often' in that sentence speaks volumes, as do the nuances of what I'm trying to say, but nearly everybody's glossed over that in favour of reasserting the fact that they know their gear. In emphatic fashion, may I add.

Yes, I've been taking gear recreationally for twelve years. Does that make me an authority? No, not by any stretch. I do know that I've scored utter shit with people who've had habits for twice as long as that though, and they've had no complaints. Tolerance? Self-deception? I don't know, but I know that it happens. That's all.

 

[brimz]

After re reading your post i don't think i'll ever understand what you are saying . In this instance

at least until I started to smoke every day

 

[Myshkin]

What has that got to do with anything?

Tell you what, I'll put it in a way that won't rattle any egos or make it seem like I'm saying I'm an expert (which I'm not and never claimed to be). Maybe the language I used made some of the addicts around here a little defensive. My fault, but I can't get inside the dicksizing mentality unfortunately, so I can't post with that in mind.

If I (an occasional user) don't feel much off half a bag then you know something is wrong with the gear.

If somebody else (with a habit) doesn't feel much off it, then it doesn't necessarily mean the stuff is bad; it could be their tolerance, their script or desensitization to more subtle effects.

Is that simple enough for you?

 

[brimz]

Yeah.

 

[ructions]

After re reading your post i don't think i'll ever understand what you are saying . In this instance

I think it was just lost in translation, i have been reading SamhainGrim's posts since i came on Bluelight & he explained all this to me at the start of these drought threads. I was saying how after the drought i don't want to go back using every day, but i would like to use now & again, Sam told me how it could be done, he has always said that he doesn't use daily.

I guess what he means is if he goes on a session & smokes H for a few days, that he feels as the days go by the H doesn't seem as strong, that is the way it read to me anyway.

Hope your keeping well Brimz? I got a 'text' off a really good old mate of mine & she says that she has been getting good gear for the last few days, she said she should be able to sort me out with some later!! I don't know what to think? She is using for over 20 years so she should know good gear when she gets it, but i'm so nervous after all my past experiences over the last few months..... I guess i'll just have to get it & see, i can't bring myself to say no!!!! I'll report back later, fingers & toes crossed!!!!

 

[head candy]

Alright mate, ur right, the maths just don't add up. I'm getting some ok shit now, .4 for £25 but when I say ok I mean u need £50 to get fucked off it. So that amounts to half a teenth just for a good nod. It's shite really, just better than what we've been forced to take for 4 fucking months now!!!

skanking troll firms takeing the piss that's all it is decent heroin about but at very best 40% peeps try and find out what the strongest % gear you know people been caught with the best I know of was 46% when a mates wife was caught with a oz that was 2 years ago not like 80s when %76 was the strengh in my area

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Posted this in the other H thread but might aswell put it here.
12 people in my city were arrested in simultaneous busts , all were caught with Class A 's.
They are probably creaming themselves at the Police station. Funny thing is they missed the Blatantly Obvious , Makes you wonder whos saying what .

It was not any of the people I know was it?

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

skanking troll firms takeing the piss that's all it is decent heroin about but at very best 40% peeps try and find out what the strongest % gear you know people been caught with the best I know of was 46% when a mates wife was caught with a oz that was 2 years ago not like 80s when %76 was the strengh in my area

For most people right now anything in the region of 20% pure would be considered good gear or 'fire' as people call it.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Ta for the link kat

thats could maybe be one of thje resons why gears still so fkd up rounmd here, probably destined for Yorks/Lancs maybe other areas by the sounds of it. my man says there's absolutely nothing round here atm, apart low grade garbage, or so called better stuff that's way overpriced (about 3X the usual price £90 a gram insitead of £30/gram ) then there's the odd bits o stuff ppl bringing in from abroad, but obv only fairly small bits for tehmselves or their mates and arer gone within no time.

Like you say we don't know how long ago this exaxtly happened, even if it happened a long time ago (maybe like a year) it can have a knock onm effect few months down the line to supplies.
either weay, no it's not gonna help

By summer I think things will be pretty much 'back to normal' and by the winter it will all be forgotten about.

 

[monstanoodle]

Just scored a "teenth" (likely less) and it's not bad stuff. Definitely had better, like that rarity I scored the other fortnight, but I knew that'd be a one off.
This isn't bad, had 4 toots, 4mg Diazepam much earlier in the day (down to 2mg 3x daily now) and feeling nice
I still feel extremely lucky compared to the stuff that others are getting at the moment ~♥ My heart goes out to you.

 

[thattoh]

For most people right now anything in the region of 20% pure would be considered good gear or 'fire' as people call it.

That was the exact point I was trying to get across before. That's probably what was doing the rounds before Nov

I really doubt gear will ever be as strong as it was way back, so I'm sure the older long term users will know exactly what I mean (that is not intended in anyway as "dicksizing", just trying to make a point).

 

[hooks]

Well my dick is HUGE!!

How can I go about measuring the percentage of any gear that I might get?

 

[brimz]

It was not any of the people I know was it?

Don't think so mate . i'll tell u in person.