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Reduce collapsed veins and vein damage with Diethylamine Salicylate

Morphoid

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FAO: All IDUs

I would like to share this with all other IDUs, as it may help you maintain good vein health. Even with the circulation of injection sites, a lot of us IDUs can have trouble with veins collapsing or becoming inflamed and restricted. I would like to offer a highly effective stratagem to reduce the likelihood of veins collapsing or becoming unusable.

(Algesal) Diethylamine Salicylate (Local Analgesic Cream)

The cream's primary function is muscular and/or rheumatic pain, but it's primary ingredient, is also highly effective at reducing inflammation and has a mild anticoagulant (blood-thinning) effects. When rubbed into an injection site (Not until the injection site has had a few minutes to heal over/stopped bleeding), it reduces inflammation, pain and prevents the vein from collapsing via clots forming at the puncture site. This method has been shown to be effective in personal and other anecdotal settings. As of yet, there is no clinical evidence to suggest its efficacy, but that is hardly surprising.

Algesal cream contains the active ingredient diethylamine salicylate, which is a derivative of salicylic acid.
Diethylamine salicylate has anti-inflammatory and painkilling actions. The act of massaging the cream into the painful area also helps relieve symptoms.

Remember: This is NO replacement for proper injection technique, and alternating injection sites, but it offers a supplementary treatment that may aid and offer harm-reduction to frequent injectors.

Also: Avoid using the cream for more than 5 days in a row on the same site, as this can cause excessive redness, skin dryness and even light peeling. These effects, however, are very temporary and can be avoided by following the aforementioned guidelines.

I hope this is helpful to people. If you require more information, please don't hesitate to post or message me and I'll do my best to aid you.
 
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thanks for sharing:)

sounds like it might be useful in conjunction with hirudoid cream
 
Thanks for the great info guys :) really useful indeed.
 
There is also Hirudoid cream which contains heparinoid. It is used for scarring and various inflammatory conditions of the veins.
 
thanks for sharing:)

sounds like it might be useful in conjunction with hirudoid cream

You're all most welcome! Yes, I believe I once tried heparinoid based creams also as they were effective as well. I would just like to include a warning regarding use of the cream which I neglected in my opening post - I shall edit and correct.
 
Hmm i wonder what would be the Canadian equivalent of this? Stupid different brand names :p . I will have to have a look to see if i can find that in any products at a respectable drug store.
 
I'm an intramuscular drug user and was wondering if these would be worth using for that?

Also I'm in the UK does anyone know brand names?

Thanks you.
 
Gaz, I'm in the UK too pal, and it's called Algesal (Diethylamine Salicylate 10%w/w) here. I'm sure it would be effective at reducing the inflammation and pain associated with IM admin too.
 
Cheers for the info, i'm gonna move thread to OD though, they have a lot more traffic to do with IVing im pretty sure. Redirect will still be here in BDD for a while.
 
How does it work?

Hirudoid cream and gel both contain heparinoid, which is a similar to heparin. It is used to improve circulation after bruising or soft tissue injuries.

Heparinoid works by dissolving small blood clots and improving the blood supply to the skin.

Hirudoid cream and gel can be used to help relieve pain and inflammation associated with superficial thrombophlebitis.
What is it used for?

Blood clot (haematoma).
Bruising.
Inflammation of a vein in the skin associated with blood clot formation (superficial thrombophlebitis).

How do I use it?

This preparation is for external use only.
The amount of cream/gel to be used will depend on the size of the area being treated.
Gently massage about 5 to 15cm of cream/gel to the affected area. If the area is tender to touch, the cream/gel can be applied around the area, rather than directly on to the area. This can be repeated up to four times a day.
Wash your hands after using the cream/gel.
Do not exceed the recommended dose of this medicine, which will be stated in the product packaging or information leaflet supplied with the medicine.
Seek medical advice if symptoms persist.

Warning!

Hirudoid cream contains methyl parahydroxybenzoate (E218) and propyl parahydroxybenzoate (E216), which may also cause allergic reactions (possibly delayed).
Hirudoid gel contains propylene glycol which may cause skin irritation.

Not to be used in

Children under five years old.
Broken skin or open wounds.
Large areas of skin.
Sensitive skins areas such as near the mouth, eyes or in the genital areas.
Known sensitivity or allergy to any ingredient.
Lining of the body's cavities (mucous membranes)
Sensitive skin

This medicine should not be used if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. Please inform your doctor or pharmacist if you have previously experienced such an allergy.

If you feel you have experienced an allergic reaction, stop using this medicine and inform your doctor or pharmacist immediately.
Pregnancy and breastfeeding

Certain medicines should not be used during pregnancy or breastfeeding. However, other medicines may be safely used in pregnancy or breastfeeding providing the benefits to the mother outweigh the risks to the unborn baby. Always inform your doctor if you are pregnant or planning a pregnancy, before using any medicine.

There are no known harmful effects when this medicine is used by pregnant or breastfeeding mothers. Seek medical advice from your doctor.

How can this medicine affect other medicines?

This medicine is not known to affect other medicines.
Other medicines containing the same active ingredient

There are currently no other preparations available in the UK that contain heparinoid as the active ingredient.

Hirudoid cream is marketed in the UK as Hirudoid cream/gel and comes in 50g, 20g and 14g tubes, IIRC. It's listed ingredients are: heparinoid, Mucopolysaccharide Polysulfuric Acid Ester and Bovine 3mg/g. I did read however that in the UK a doctor's prescripton is required to obtain the aforementioned cream (Hirudoid) - though this might not be accurate. It is also cheap, at least in Australia, when our needle exchanges are out of stock and don't have any to give out.

I think I mentioned that my local NSP has had their funding cut and no longer can afford to dispense tourniquets (doesn't bother me, as I don't use one) and no longer dispense Hirudoid cream due to budget constraints. Personally, I find this disgraceful. If Hirudoid cream is used daily; bruising, inflammation, sore injection sights (from a miss), etc. then it is very effective

I have been using this product for around 10 years in Australia, where it can be purchased from any pharmacy without the need of a doctor's prescription. Having used this product for over a decade now, I still have excellent veins - as I apply it liberally after every shot to reduce bruising. IMO, it is a great product for us IV drug users and has kept my veins very healthy.

Ash. <3
 
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This one of the many threads that makes me love this site. Introducing me to harm reduction tips and methods i'd probably never come across.I went to the pharmacy and bought some today, and it seems to be working really well. Keep up the good work!
 
This is fantastic, I would never have come across this (as mentioned above) Thank you for sharing.. I shall invest in some tomorrow!! %)
 
Not to be used in

Children under five years old.
Broken skin or open wounds.
Large areas of skin.
Sensitive skins areas such as near the mouth, eyes or in the genital areas.
Known sensitivity or allergy to any ingredient.
Lining of the body's cavities (mucous membranes)
Sensitive skin
 
^ The OP mentioned to wait a few minutes until the skin is healed before applying it. I wonder what the proper amount of time to wait would be. I don't see much of an issue with waiting (meaning I don't think it will heal better if applied 5 minutes after a shot or 5 hours after) other than possible forgetting where you did the shot, but you can always keep track of that.
 
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