Red to Violet EZtest result ?

[meri]

From Dancesafe.org:
"Do not confuse this [a dark purple/black]with a violet color change, which happens with some other substances. A reddish-violet color is not ecstasy."
OOOoookay... I've read this before not really caring... Until today I get a reddish-violet result.
Upon adding the drop of reagent, the tiny bit of substance on the plate causes an instant change to red than darkening over the next 10-20sec to violet/darker red. At the exact spot where the powder was, there was some blackish color, but red/violet all around the drop of reagent.
E2 reagent produced a fairly slow to dark brown/blackish result. Did not seem like the same reaction produced by MDxx
Any idea what substance i'm dealing with here?
Thanks!

 

[meri]

hmmm.. might have found my own answer so I'll post it...
The chart at: http://www.chemicalgeneration.com.au/Test_Kits/E1/e1.htm
Shows a Red/Purple reaction that seems very much like what I was curious about
... anyhow (fyi)
Test material was from what is called a 'green emerald', which is a pill 'bout 10x3.5mm, green tab with white flakey powder inside (just green die on top), two perp. lines on the back (thin, as long as 75% of the pill) forming an 90 degree X.
The test material was from the inside of the pill (white powder, no die included) but still produced the result for opiates.
(this will be posted to pillreports.com as a warning)

 

[Chemical Generation]

My research suggests that you should get an "olive" or "moderate redish / brown" colour change using E2 on a sample of Heroin, so it would fit the general description, based on the reaction with E1.
Please remember that when taken orally, Heroin is not particularly active. Also remember that some people inject their pills (I highly recommend you don't), and some manufaturers make them with small amounts of Heroin in them for that reason.
B.
Chemical Generation

 

[Roches]

it's not necessarily heroin; it could be morphine or possibly codeine too. or hydrocodone, or any opiate (but probably *not* the synthetic opioids like methadone or fentanyl). but it probably *is* an opiate. even if the black color you got in the middle of the liquid indicated MDMA, anything that produces red/violet edges is more dangerous since you really can't know how much opiate is in there, or which one it is.
injection:
yeah, don't shoot it up (i definitely hope you weren't going to anyway). i've actually never heard of dealers intentionally adding heroin for injection users before, possibly because injecting MDMA is very, very rare probably throughout north america. even the IV injection of pure, pharmaceutical quality drugs in a controlled medical setting is considered quite dangerous, and shooting up street drugs that aren't meant to be injected could be extremely hazardous. at least street heroin is designed to be injected and doesn't have binders and fillers in it so it can be pressed into a pill. judging by what i know of binders, methylcellulose, microcrystalline cellulose and so on, these are not things you want in your bloodstream, and no matter how well you filter you will still miss much of it (which could then go on to clog your capillaries and lead to, say, gangrene or cardiac arrest)

 

[Soma]

I think I know what you are talking about with that violet type colour... its like a 'dirty purple', like when you used to mix a bunch of paint together in primary school art class. I get that all the time unless my tester is pretty much brand new - and the substances I test em on I'm pretty darn sure are MDMA. Its still purple, but a wierd purple - prob due to the tester being not as fresh as it used to be.

 

[Roches]

you might wanna look into how you're storing your tester
and get a new one
since violet IS a positive test for opiates
you wouldnt wanna confuse them.

 

[meri]

Just after testing the not-so-good sample, I became suspicious myself of the tester. Retesting a known-good sample produced good (DARK purple E1 and black E2) results ... So it's not the tester
Ran into someone here in the local area that tried these, and said they did nothing for him. I think i'm going to send this on into dancesafe.
Thanks for the replies y'all
-me

 

[Roches]

maybe chemgen or someone can comment on this... but i have a feeling the E2 test is a lot less susceptible to decomposing over time. i think it's vanadium sulfate (mandelin reagent), and vanadium ion should be a lot more stable than formaldehyde in sulfuric acid...

 

[Chemical Generation]

E:2 2nd Defence is indeed less susceptible to degradation.
Injection of pills is more common than you are perhaps aware. I KNOW people that do it, and it's happening in this country (Aus). MCC and most other fillers are not very water soluble, and with the use of a small filter, the risks associated with injection of some small particles is lower. Your kidneys are quite good at removing them, although they do get blocked over time, which can cause some serious consequences as you mentioned, however they are generally longer term serious consequences, and these people don't really care about them or chose to ignore them (Live fast, die young). Remember that not everybody lives in a world that is similar to ours, and chose other lives, regardless of the consequences. Shooting up Heroin is just as dangerous. There is all sorts of crap in Heroin, including a similar amount of particulate matter. You can't see particles less than about 50 micron with the naked eye, and it's what you can't see that is the big worry. People think that if they can't see anything in there, that there is nothing there, which is a HUGE mistake. The microbiological load in some of these materials must be massive. This is the biggest problem for injecting users, and even using sterile water, and heating the sample prior to injection doesn't get rid of pyrogens, and some of the deadly pathogens.
I am certain that codeine and morphine, and other opiates for that matter, do NOT cross the blood / brain barrier anywhere near as well as Heroin. The 'rush' would therefore not be as much as with Heroin, and it would be pointless to have them in there. Not to say they couldn't be, it's just unlikely. I'm not suggesting that manufacturers everywhere put Heroin in pills, it's very rare indeed.
It will be interesting to see the result of the laboratory HPLC testing. Keep us posted!
B.
Chemical Generation

 

[babu]

Sorry if this seems a stupid question, but Roches, you're saying that some of the stuff in pills you wouldn't want in your bloodstream, if you had a cut in your mouth when you put a pill in your mouth and it rubbed into the cut, Would this be 'in your bloodstream?'
I'm stupid yes, this is probably a stupid question, but i'm curious
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Drugs teach kids the metric system...

 

[infinity]

i doubt he would count that as "in his blood stream" - it's a substance that has to get absorbed or 'really' injected... it's not bacteria or some kind of a virus

 

[johnboy]

we are talking about binders, fillers, whatever, that shouldnt be placed directly into your bloodstream. they are parts of pills that get filtered out by your kidneys, liver etc before they enter your bloodstream. this is why you have a digestive system, to filter out crap that shouldnt be put into your bloodstream.
binders, fillers etc are in pills to hold them together in a pill form to stay together and sit in your stomach long enough to be absorbed. this is all well and good if they get filtered out by your GI, but by injecting them straight into your bloodstream they can cause clots and other problems andkill you.
you could try filtering themout, but most methods of filtering arent effective enough. hence feel free to inject "pure" MDMA if you like, but always keep in mind that those quotation maks are there for a reason. unless you made it, can you really be sure it is pure?