Could you sleep after them? Were you sweating way more than normal? Upset stomach? Did you simply come down in a few hours after them and were able to sleep?
Im really curious about people who take pips (like these) and say zero side effects - I bought a few gs of these piperazines when they started to show up to experiment with. The worst side effect was that I couldnt sleep for hours afterwarad (regardless of the dose).
I never sweat abnormally or had an upset stomach. Both times I had been drinking (which is probably the only reason I'd agree to do it) but seemed to mostly sober up after consumption. After that I guess you really need to be in it for the long haul, because the effects last forever. I honestly had fun with the saints both times, but it is true that sleep is difficult for a while (I suspect they were from
this batch given the date posted and their color).
The first time I took one around 7am, redosed maybe at 10 or 11, and was easily feeling the effects until 5pm or later. It's similar to LSD in that way - you really need to be prepared to endure the experience. People expecting to roll usually want to feel great, empathetic, maybe go to a club and dance, but these were purely psychedelic and none of that interested me. I live on a golf course and I remember thinking that the scenery that day was especially beautiful. We spent hours sitting in chairs with sunglasses on. The colors were exceptionally brighter than normal, clouds seemed much more profound, and my mood was quite elevated as well. We had a fire, rode mopeds up to a dam down the road, smoked some weed, etc. This was my first experience with pipes, and after reading so many horror stories about them, I couldn't for the life of me understand why everyone hated them so much. After some more thought, I guess it's obvious...
First of all not all of these pipes pills are made equally, obviously. Some batches I'm sure can be sickening. Some of them listed on edata have like 30 parts TFMPP and 1 part BZP, and that really makes me wonder. Some of them have pipes and MDMA, which I hear is a combo worse than pipes on their own, but I wouldn't know. Like I said, I later had a pill that was 5 parts caffeine and 1 part TFMPP (
these), and that was a relatively difficult experience, but still not miserable. Sleep was not difficult, which can probably be attributed to the lack of BZP - caffeine is shorter lasting. Also, like I said before, kids popping pipes as if they were ecstasy is a recipe for disaster. I had one and a half green saints, the dosage in them was strong, and I can say for sure that if I didn't have experience with LSD and mushrooms it would not have been nearly as enjoyable, if enjoyable at all. I can only imagine if I double dropped expecting to roll for a couple hours, only having drug experience with MDMA, and was instead smacked in the face with a trip lasting for 7 or 8 hours.
I wouldn't go looking for these, or even recommend them to anyone, but they happened to be fun for me. Piperazines get such a bad rap because they are supposed to mimic MDMA and are sold to people expecting the MDMA experience. I feel like if they were sold on their own to people expecting their effects, so they could be dosed properly, people wouldn't be so quick to describe the experience as miserable, sickening, awful, etc. Think about what people would say if they consumed LSD (or even 2C-B, which is said to cause some people stomach discomfort) thinking it was MDMA - I suspect there would be a similar reaction, but LSD is a renowned drug viewed in a positive light by tons of drug users. I suppose though that seeing as I've only had two different types of these, I may have just been lucky with the positive experiences. Impossible to say I guess, maybe some of these scumbags making fake ecstasy are better at making their pipes fun than others. Sorry for the rant. I just feel like pipes are worthy of more of a discussion than they usually get.
Back to the sweating and upset stomach though, I had two pills a while back that made me sweat and gave me an awful upset stomach. I swore up and down that they MUST have been pipes, sent them to e-data, and low and behold they both came back MDMA 1(
this,
this). I couldn't believe it. All I can think is that the dose was incredibly low, because I definitely wasn't rolling, and whatever was used as a binder was upsetting to my stomach. I feel like when that happens, they wish they could put the mg contents of the MDMA up in place of the ratio, there must have been like 20mg or less. Anyway I guess I'll shut up now. The point is, no matter how much any of us think we know our shit, these drugs will always hand it back to us on a platter. Scientific analysis is the only real analysis to go by and all drugs need to be respected, but we all know this... hopefully. Man going on a tangent is way easier than I thought before writing this post.
