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red jungle and acid base extractions

:D i laugh every time i say it! you gotta say it all serious.. with spooky jungle noises in the background

---RED---- -JUNGLE-- dee emm tttee.. *omgwaohwtff*

oo ooo *crickkk* aah aahh aahhhh *crickk crickk*
 
IGNVS said:
just got a good idea!

so you precipitate out all your freebase dmt in the basic water solution right? then im gonna put it in a hot water bath first, to get all the dmt liquidy then let it cool slowly to form crystals... shouldnt this give you nice big crystals compared to flakes of precipitate?
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In theory yep... You should try to minimize the amount of water too. DMT freebase is apparently slightly water soluble at room temperature and much more so when heated.
 
so, maybe let it sit in the fridge to lower the solubility as much as possible, decant, then heat it up.

im gonna give this one a go pretty soon...

>>>>any reason not to use sodium carbonate instead of lye though ?<<<<
 
IGNVS said:
so, maybe let it sit in the fridge to lower the solubility as much as possible, decant, then heat it up.

im gonna give this one a go pretty soon...

>>>>any reason not to use sodium carbonate instead of lye though ?<<<<
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Sodium carbonate (or bicarbonate) can be better if you're trying to avoid cleaving phenols, esters, or other functional groups react with a stronger base (as it's kind of an inbetween of a strong and weak base), but the sodium hydroxide could probably better strip the proton from the amine. It depends on the sensitivity of your material, but it seems DMT is pretty robust from what previous extractioners have stated.

Since this is experimental -- save all your washes and solvent layers in case it doesn't work out perfectly as assumed and needs some modification or something along that lines.
 
of course, everything gets saved until all the kinks are worked out.

if this method works good this is a revolutionary way to extract dmt. this would be the future right here. so i definatly plan on doing a few experiments with it and crunch some numbers to give a real good tek.
 
What happened? You have to be careful here not to add too much brine or the NaCl will precipitate out which is not what you want.
 
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dmt freebase's solubility in water: 50 grams/ L

that totally undermines the whole plan :( and makes sense.

it was weird though, there would be this white precipitate that yeilds crystally pasty stuff that is dmt (rele good dmt too) but it forms when you add the calcium carbonate, then goes right back into solution about five minutes later!

i dont think there is a way we can get freebase dmt to precipitate (and stay precipitated) out of a solution of water and the other junk
 
Where does that data come from? The water solubility for tryptamine itself is listed as "slightly" or "negligible" (~35-40g/liter), you would think at very low temperatures (freezing or less with a little NaCl) it would still precipitate...

it was weird though, there would be this white precipitate that yeilds crystally pasty stuff that is dmt (rele good dmt too) but it forms when you add the calcium carbonate, then goes right back into solution about five minutes later!
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That's strange, I wonder what's going on. Unless you didn't add very much CaCO3 and CO2 came into the solution and reacted with it. Calcium carbonate isn't a terribly strong base and isn't very water soluble. In fact in the presence of large amounts of CO2 it becomes acidic. You may not get good results until you use NaOH or KOH.
 
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true, when i get more bark i will do more experimenting, as i have aborted this experiment to get some dmt in time for the rainbow gathering this weekend.
 
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