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red jungle and acid base extractions

IGNVS

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i have a bunch of dmt/plastic from a baby snot remover/ red jungle dmt because the xylene melted my baby snot remover i was using as a turkeybaster LOL

im just gonna make some acidy water and pull the rubber out of there when the D dissolves... will the red jungle dmt also be soluble and form a salt and all that?

i loves me some red jungle deemz=D
 
sounds like u going to have lots of impurities.
beware benzene rings like xylene
 
Acidify with aqueous oxalic or fumaric acid and discard the polar layer, then basify with NaOH and add a non-polar solvent and extract as usual.
 
and the plastic will go into the polar layer?

let me rephrase, there is an unknown plastic that has reacted with (or just dissolved by) xylene and is now infused with dmt and red jungle dmt.

what im trying to do is get rid of the plastic and keep the red jungle dmt.

all i need to know is if the red jungle dmt will go into the polar layer when i add vinegar.
 
thats pretty scary, i would be very wary of DMT that could be contaminated with plastic, once i stupidly inhaled DMT smoke through a plastic straw and the straw started to melt, i inhaled a lungful of plastic smoke with the DMT and start tripping, it felt as if carcinogenic trapezoids were coursing through me veins. if your not 99% sure its all gone i would not touch it.
 
im pretty sure an acid/base extraction will get it out, i dissolved about a half gram in some vinegar and the dmt dissolved and the plastic didnt, its floating around and it looks like tissue or membrane shit after some nasty predator got to it.

im just gonna filter it out and go to base and do a pull with xylene and just hope the jungle dmt comes through with it!
 
i'd say redissolve it in xylene, extract into an acidic solution, separate aqueous out, basify it, re-extract into naptha et voila
 
IGNVS said:
and the plastic will go into the polar layer?

let me rephrase, there is an unknown plastic that has reacted with (or just dissolved by) xylene and is now infused with dmt and red jungle dmt.

what im trying to do is get rid of the plastic and keep the red jungle dmt.

all i need to know is if the red jungle dmt will go into the polar layer when i add vinegar.
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The plastic was solvated by the xylene most likely.

Acidify with fumaric acid. The DMT will head to the aqueous. Discard the xylene. Basify the aqueous solution with aqueous NaOH and add some NaCl solution to make the layer more polar, aerate with a fish tank aerator hose for a couple minutes (to evaporate residual xylene, the solution should get less cloudy), chill in an ice bath and the DMT should precipitate out. Vacuum filter the DMT, wash with cold H2O. I don't know why everyone bothers with the crazy naphtha freezer crystallizations or naphtha evaporations. DMT freebase is NOT soluble in water; with fumaric acid you can get it all into the polar layer and then do the crystallization from there.

Make sure to use distilled H2O for all of this.
 
I always wondered about that. So its possible to extract as usual with xylene (or heptane?) and the dmt will migrate into an acidic aqueous solution?
 
Yes -- The only problem may be that not a huge amount of fumaric acid tends to dissolve in water. You should be able to get it out of the non-polar layer with just HCl acid though I'm guessing. I think I'll do a write-up here this weekend on proper extraction and purification of amines.
 
nuke said:
Yes -- The only problem may be that not a huge amount of fumaric acid tends to dissolve in water. You should be able to get it out of the non-polar layer with just HCl acid though I'm guessing. I think I'll do a write-up here this weekend on proper extraction and purification of amines.
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Fortunately water can be used in excess without running into the logistical problem of slowly evaporating a flammable solvent. Could an excess of water sufficient to dissolve the needed amount of fumaric acid be used?

A write-up would be greatly appreciated...
 
nuke said:
The plastic was solvated by the xylene most likely.

Acidify with fumaric acid. The DMT will head to the aqueous. Discard the xylene. Basify the aqueous solution with aqueous NaOH and add some NaCl solution to make the layer more polar, aerate with a fish tank aerator hose for a couple minutes (to evaporate residual xylene, the solution should get less cloudy), chill in an ice bath and the DMT should precipitate out. Vacuum filter the DMT, wash with cold H2O. I don't know why everyone bothers with the crazy naphtha freezer crystallizations or naphtha evaporations. DMT freebase is NOT soluble in water; with fumaric acid you can get it all into the polar layer and then do the crystallization from there.

Make sure to use distilled H2O for all of this.
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why fumaric acid? dmt fumarate isnt all that soluble in water either.... the rest of the idea was great though, and i did watch quite a bit of dmt precipitate when basifying with sodium carbonate just today. your idea (ill call it that because you posted it first, but its been in my mind for a while) will work great im sure. i might try this with vinagar first.. maybe you looking for something that wont form precipitate (that would adulture the dmt) when you add the base? that must be it!

also, my starting material was a DRY mixture of plastic, jungle spice, and dmt.

my whole goal here is to keep the jungle spice at the end, i really like that stuff. so to those of you who said use naptha i dont think you get the point. (you cant extract the jungle spice with naptha)
 
^Sorry getting off topic with respect to your extraction, but being able to extract dmt from the non-polar (regardless of which solvent is used) using an acidic aqueous solution would be a major breakthrough. If only to allow those who lack the proper equipment to avoid evaporating flammable solvents.

HCl seems to make dmt very soluble in water. Some impurities don't to go into solution either, with gunk/oil floating on top when white dmt is dropped into water. The result once based seemed noticeably more potent, although the increase in potency was less than the decrease in weight. (Cheap either way)
 
everyone in this thread has their polarity crossed.

water is POLAR

naptha, xylene, etc... is NONpolar
 
^Thank you!

To clear things up, the idea is to add acidic water (polar) to the non-polar layer in hopes of causing the dmt to migrate into the water.

Again sorry for hijacking your thread...
 
superstrait, its been a topic ive wanted to discuss for a while.

maybe we could just switch the topic over, change the title and keep this thing going in that direction..


especially because i already did everything i need to with the plastic dmt. ill tell you all if any jungle spice comes out when i pull with xylene (i did a pull with naptha first , and i will do a few more, just to make sure its only jungle dmt that comes out with the xylene)
 
just got a good idea!

so you precipitate out all your freebase dmt in the basic water solution right? then im gonna put it in a hot water bath first, to get all the dmt liquidy then let it cool slowly to form crystals... shouldnt this give you nice big crystals compared to flakes of precipitate?
 
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