Meth Recrystallization/purification questions

[d4m4g3d]

I have been experimenting with different purification methods for some time and I have a few questions that I cannot seem to find answers to in general chemistry texts or sites.

1. Acetone is almost worthless. The stuff I'm getting is generally accepted to be of high purity (but I'm not so sure). Wash with anhydrous acetone removes little or nothing from the weight of the product. From my readings on this and a few other sites this would indicate that it's probably cut with glucose or something else with a similar solubility profile to the meth itself.
2. Solvent choice: anecdotal reports on this site have led me to believe that solvent choice greatly affects the final product of recrystallization. I use 99% isopropanol, but some people say that methanol produces different results.
3. Recrystallization method: I am doing a cooling recrystallization. This had brought me mixed results and doesn't seem to be as effective at separating the adulterants from the gear as an evaporative recrystallization does. I imagine this is due to the speed at which the crystals form which is much faster when using the cooling method.
4. WTF is this? : especially when I use the evaporative method, I get a ring of whitish-yellow cakey stuff encircling my evaporating basin. I assume this is the glucose. It does still contain some amounts of gear as I have collected it and conducted the same procedure yielding more pure(ish) crystals. The actual crystals form below this substance (possibly due to their greater density?) and are easy to visually differentiate.
5. Washing: when I do a cooling recrystallization, no matter what I do, I seem to end up with white stuff that burns in a pipe coating the outside of the crystals. It's the same stuff that collects around the outside of the basin when I do evaporative recrystallization. It's pretty foul in a pipe. How can I get rid of this? It doesn't dissolve in acetone so that doesn't help. I've tried rinsing it with cold 99% isopropanol, but this (obviously) takes a lot of the gear with it, and really doesn't seem to be effective at removing the stuff (likely due to similar solubility profile).
6. Another question about recrystallization methods: I have devoured quite a few chemistry texts from various sources and have learned about some exotic methods of recrystallization involving complex equipment and apparatus. Is there any merit to exploring other lessoften used methods to recrystalize the gear? Solvent-solvent is the one I'm most interested in, because it harkens back to the original freebase methods for coke (see: Richard Pryor), especially which solvents might make it possible/optimal. (acetone-isopropanol?)
7. Any other tips, tricks, hacks, or improvisations? I am most curious to hear from anyone who has formal training in chemistry, but I know that hobbyist harm-reducers like myself also have a lot of useful insights as well.
8. Thanks in advance! I appreciate the time and effort anyone here puts in to answering posts like mine. I have learned a lot from this forum and am glad that it exists and helps people to be safer in their psychonautics.

 

[negrogesic]

Is your goal to have a smokeable final product? What is the issue when you smoke the product as is? If you suspect glucose I'd recommend finding another supplier.

On a side note, if what you have is "cartel" meth (which is essentially all meth in the USA), I'd recommend eating good sized doses rather smoking. There is evidence that cartel meth has a small but active proportion of l-methamphetamine in it (they begin with producing racemic meth, then they go through three cycles of resolution - racemization until they get a mostly enantiomerically pure product-- but some l-meth still remains). This is something you can't wash out.

Eating this meth results in the l-methamphetamine being less noticeable. Of course, its hard to tell someone who is used to smoking meth that they should switch to oral use (since the practice/ritual of smoking itself is addictive).

 

[Omlovepeace]

I have been experimenting with different purification methods for some time and I have a few questions that I cannot seem to find answers to in general chemistry texts or sites.

1. Acetone is almost worthless. The stuff I'm getting is generally accepted to be of high purity (but I'm not so sure). Wash with anhydrous acetone removes little or nothing from the weight of the product. From my readings on this and a few other sites this would indicate that it's probably cut with glucose or something else with a similar solubility profile to the meth itself.
2. Solvent choice: anecdotal reports on this site have led me to believe that solvent choice greatly affects the final product of recrystallization. I use 99% isopropanol, but some people say that methanol produces different results.
3. Recrystallization method: I am doing a cooling recrystallization. This had brought me mixed results and doesn't seem to be as effective at separating the adulterants from the gear as an evaporative recrystallization does. I imagine this is due to the speed at which the crystals form which is much faster when using the cooling method.
4. WTF is this? : especially when I use the evaporative method, I get a ring of whitish-yellow cakey stuff encircling my evaporating basin. I assume this is the glucose. It does still contain some amounts of gear as I have collected it and conducted the same procedure yielding more pure(ish) crystals. The actual crystals form below this substance (possibly due to their greater density?) and are easy to visually differentiate.
5. Washing: when I do a cooling recrystallization, no matter what I do, I seem to end up with white stuff that burns in a pipe coating the outside of the crystals. It's the same stuff that collects around the outside of the basin when I do evaporative recrystallization. It's pretty foul in a pipe. How can I get rid of this? It doesn't dissolve in acetone so that doesn't help. I've tried rinsing it with cold 99% isopropanol, but this (obviously) takes a lot of the gear with it, and really doesn't seem to be effective at removing the stuff (likely due to similar solubility profile).
6. Another question about recrystallization methods: I have devoured quite a few chemistry texts from various sources and have learned about some exotic methods of recrystallization involving complex equipment and apparatus. Is there any merit to exploring other lessoften used methods to recrystalize the gear? Solvent-solvent is the one I'm most interested in, because it harkens back to the original freebase methods for coke (see: Richard Pryor), especially which solvents might make it possible/optimal. (acetone-isopropanol?)
7. Any other tips, tricks, hacks, or improvisations? I am most curious to hear from anyone who has formal training in chemistry, but I know that hobbyist harm-reducers like myself also have a lot of useful insights as well.
8. Thanks in advance! I appreciate the time and effort anyone here puts in to answering posts like mine. I have learned a lot from this forum and am glad that it exists and helps people to be safer in their psychonautics.

Is there any inexpensive process that I can do in an apartment discreetly? I iv, I've recently been practically poisoned twice and I can't get hooked on fentanyl.

 

[spadestight]

Is there any inexpensive process that I can do in an apartment discreetly? I iv, I've recently been practically poisoned twice and I can't get hooked on fentanyl.

You can do all of this discreetly in an apartment imo. Just remember good ventilation is a MUST when working with any chemical that gives off fumes. This will both affect your safety/health and the discreetness (if it reeks suspiciously). You should not have to worry too much though, i know that much.

Realistically, with meth (besides cooking it), most teks like this can be done discreetly with little real glasswear. Besides something like a isomer resolution.

 

[Omlovepeace]

can you please describe the process with the least fuming?

 

[Omlovepeace]

Also, I dont really have any trustworthy connection, the few I have, don't have a clue of what's in their meth...

 

[spadestight]

Also, I dont really have any trustworthy connection, the few I have, don't have a clue of what's in their meth...

if youre in the US, most of the issue with recrystalization can be the fact that racemic meth is unable to recrystalize the same way d-meth does. Thats what i think

 

[Bigtoeloco666]

yea I get big shards and rocks. with an acetone was on a 1/4 im maybe getting .2-.3 loss max. but it does taste smoother and i notice the high is less edgy. more melow and longer lasting

 

[Omlovepeace]

You can do all of this discreetly in an apartment imo. Just remember good ventilation is a MUST when working with any chemical that gives off fumes. This will both affect your safety/health and the discreetness (if it reeks suspiciously). You should not have to worry too much though, i know that much.

Realistically, with meth (besides cooking it), most teks like this can be done discreetly with little real glasswear. Besides something like a isomer resolution.

Examples of a cheap isomer resolution?

 

 

[Omlovepeace]

if youre in the US, most of the issue with recrystalization can be the fact that racemic meth is unable to recrystalize the same way d-meth does. Thats what i think

Can you message me on WhatsApp JulieSDCAshe

 

[Omlovepeace]

yea I get big shards and rocks. with an acetone was on a 1/4 im maybe getting .2-.3 loss max. but it does taste smoother and i notice the high is less edgy. more melow and longer lasting

Can you please message me on WhatsApp JulieSDCAshe

 

[xXTheGrimOneXx]

It could be MSM. That usually leaves the white residue in your pipes. N-iso needs a certain separation as it and meth have almost identical melting points. Thing meth is 347f and N-ISO is like 3-5f off from that.

Different solvents will give you different results.

Anhydrous Solvents can be made by baking Epsom salt for a hour or two at 200-300f in the oven. It will melt then cake up in a whitish blob. Take this and put directly into your solvents. Put any left overs in an airtight jar for next time.
Kleenstrip brand has 100% acetone. If it’s new and sealed should be dry enough for a wash. Can be bought at most hardware store or
Home Depot. Even if I buy it sealed. I still
Add about 1/8th of the volume in Epsom salts that are dried. You’ll know you’ve added enough when it doesn’t sink to the bottom. It should snowglobe on you when you add enough. Same applies to the Ethanol or Methalated Ethanol. Try and find 99% isopropyl alcohol. I find it at the horse feed shops in the half gallon. Repeat with the dried Epsom salts.

Now. Place the acetone in the freezer. Few hours minimum. The colder it is the less meth will dissolve in it. Meth is slightly soluble in acetone. More importantly Make sure it’s anhydrous. I cannot stress that enough. It takes less than 30ml to dissolve grams of meth. Making the acetone cold reduces its ability to take your meth with it as it looses its polarity or ability to dissolve as the temperature gets colder.

Crushed up meth as fine as you can. You want as much surface area as possible during the wash.

15-30ml per gram on the acetone. I recommend stirring the powder I between the acetone additions. in a coffee filter while it’s in the funnel.. I do 3-5 washes with the ice cold acetone.

Try to not use a whole bunch of glasses either. Youll loose more meth that way just by what you can’t scrape out.

Next is the recrystallizing. Methanol gives you bigger shards than Ethanol or Isopropyl. Either way one of the 3 will work.

Heat up the spirits until boiling. Add this to
The acetone washed meth powder that is 100% dry from the acetone wash or you’ll fuck it up.

Add enough Alcohol to dissolve your meth. Usually 10-20ml per gram. Give or take. If there is indissoluble particles you can try adding another 1-2ml of hot alcohol. If that doesn’t work it’s not meth.

Next step should’ve pretty simple. If you added too much solvent to dissolve the meth you will have to evaporate it off. Most methyl or ethyl alcohol boils at 178ish Fahrenheit and I think that’s 78.3 degrees C” Or at least that’s where my moonshine comes over. Anything lower than the 178 is the methanol, and acetone. All the stuff you don’t want.”

Me you have evaporated enough, you should see a film. Add drop by drop of the alcohol until that film disappears.

Congratulations you now have a supersaturated solution.

There are 3 ways you can force recrystallization of your meth. All involve evaporation of the solvent. The slower you do this(room temp) the bigger your shards will be. Next would be the refrigerator, then lastly the freezer. In that order from Slowest to fastest on recrystallization. Slower gets you bigger and more pure shards.
Also moving the supersaturated liquid while it’s recrystallizing will result in smaller crystals as it disrupts the crystalline structure from forming. Potentially trapping any cuts more than the slower forming shards.

I do recommend you separate your shards from the last little bit of solvent. Decant the remaining solvent, You can save that and throw it in your next bag you wash. (This will be the majority of your cuts and the meth that hadn’t recrystallized yet.
You should be left with some hard to break opaque glass like shards. Especially if you use methanol. HEET gas treatment. The yellow bottle.DO NOT GET THE RED.IT IS ISOPOROPANAL. Yes it’s the same thing as isopropyl alcohol but it has an additive that is yellow and will absolutely destroy your bag of meth. The red ISOHEET has injector cleaner/lube since it’s more for diesel engines.

If you can manage to do this you’ll have some of the cleanest shit around.

All my buddies thought I was crazy for
Washing my bags. I usually loose about .2-.5 out of an 8ball.

New guy I got through I haven’t had to wash yet. Shits rock hard and pure D isomer.

Also. If you end up with a racemic bag. Like
The Mexican or fue Nazi method produces. That’s from the P2P method and the birch method. Anything but ephedrine or pseudoephedrine synth you get a racemic mix of the D and L isomer. There is a way to see what isomer the shards are if you have polarized lens and a bright light. Believe if my memory is correct the Levo isomer will reflect left and the Dextro Isomer will go right.

Tartaric acid will change it from
Levomethamphetamine To
Dextromethamphetamine.

L isomer is what they think gives people
The bad tweak outs… from what I gathered it makes you think you’ve over amped and makes you paranoid more. It does nothing for you high wise. It was used and I think still is as an anti congestion medication in certain countries.

The old Vicks sinus inhalers (looked like chapsticks) those were L-Meth and they took em away because of the tartaric acid trick.

 

[xXTheGrimOneXx]

Examples of a cheap isomer resolution?

Tartaric acid

 

[xXTheGrimOneXx]

I have been experimenting with different purification methods for some time and I have a few questions that I cannot seem to find answers to in general chemistry texts or sites.

1. Acetone is almost worthless. The stuff I'm getting is generally accepted to be of high purity (but I'm not so sure). Wash with anhydrous acetone removes little or nothing from the weight of the product. From my readings on this and a few other sites this would indicate that it's probably cut with glucose or something else with a similar solubility profile to the meth itself.
2. Solvent choice: anecdotal reports on this site have led me to believe that solvent choice greatly affects the final product of recrystallization. I use 99% isopropanol, but some people say that methanol produces different results.
3. Recrystallization method: I am doing a cooling recrystallization. This had brought me mixed results and doesn't seem to be as effective at separating the adulterants from the gear as an evaporative recrystallization does. I imagine this is due to the speed at which the crystals form which is much faster when using the cooling method.
4. WTF is this? : especially when I use the evaporative method, I get a ring of whitish-yellow cakey stuff encircling my evaporating basin. I assume this is the glucose. It does still contain some amounts of gear as I have collected it and conducted the same procedure yielding more pure(ish) crystals. The actual crystals form below this substance (possibly due to their greater density?) and are easy to visually differentiate.
5. Washing: when I do a cooling recrystallization, no matter what I do, I seem to end up with white stuff that burns in a pipe coating the outside of the crystals. It's the same stuff that collects around the outside of the basin when I do evaporative recrystallization. It's pretty foul in a pipe. How can I get rid of this? It doesn't dissolve in acetone so that doesn't help. I've tried rinsing it with cold 99% isopropanol, but this (obviously) takes a lot of the gear with it, and really doesn't seem to be effective at removing the stuff (likely due to similar solubility profile).
6. Another question about recrystallization methods: I have devoured quite a few chemistry texts from various sources and have learned about some exotic methods of recrystallization involving complex equipment and apparatus. Is there any merit to exploring other lessoften used methods to recrystalize the gear? Solvent-solvent is the one I'm most interested in, because it harkens back to the original freebase methods for coke (see: Richard Pryor), especially which solvents might make it possible/optimal. (acetone-isopropanol?)
7. Any other tips, tricks, hacks, or improvisations? I am most curious to hear from anyone who has formal training in chemistry, but I know that hobbyist harm-reducers like myself also have a lot of useful insights as well.
8. Thanks in advance! I appreciate the time and effort anyone here puts in to answering posts like mine. I have learned a lot from this forum and am glad that it exists and helps people to be safer in their psychonautics.

Acetone isn’t worthless. Thy just add shit that can’t be washed away as easily. That’s where you see Epsom salts, sugar, regular speed( dextro amphetamines and the respective salts.)
MSM is a big part of the cut.

can you please describe the process with the least fuming?

Fuming with. Hydrogen chloride. There are multiple ways to make the gas. Usually done to make MA HCL.

Do this with proper ventilation and a gas mask if you can. That shit is corrosive and fucks up uour eyes, nose, and respiratory system. It will also corrode metal.

 

[xXTheGrimOneXx]

Tartaric acid

That or you have to start with the right isomer of precursor. The come in D and L just like the product.

Acetone isn’t worthless. Thy just add shit that can’t be washed away as easily. That’s where you see Epsom salts, sugar, regular speed( dextro amphetamines and the respective salts.)
MSM is a big part of the cut.

Fuming with. Hydrogen chloride. There are multiple ways to make the gas. Usually done to make MA HCL.

Do this with proper ventilation and a gas mask if you can. That shit is corrosive and fucks up uour eyes, nose, and respiratory system. It will also corrode metal.

Hot methanol or isopropyl alcohol. Then drop by drop add ice cold anhydrous acetone. It will cause the MA to fall out of solution. It will be small shards and unknown purity. I tired it on a 8 ball a while back. Didn’t want to wait for the recrystallizing in the freezer. Which like you said doesn’t do as good of a job with the cuts.

Crush up your gear. Put it in a funnel with filter paper or coffee filter. I use a 10ml syringe to take the very top of the acetone that has anhydrous Epsom salts to dry it. Also put it in your Isopropyl alcohol. 1-9% of the content is water. On a quart of solvent that 1% can be close to 10ml of water if it’s 91% iso that’s almost 90ml of H20. Water really likes to dissolve meth. I think 1gr would take less than 30ml of water to dissolve completely. So you could loose a whole gram to an 1/8th Oz depending on the water content. It also has solubility with the cuts that could be in the bag you have. MSM is a big one here in the states. Acetone won’t wash it. It’s crystallized with the same route as the meth is. Water is really the only way. Or an A/B extraction. Is really the only way to get it all out or damn near all the cuts.

 

[Lilsammy86]

I'm confused. now when I filter it. is the new good washed stuff ,what's on top of the filter or what filtered through??