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recreational medicine cabinet combo advice

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Wildgoose

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have a pretty stacked medicine cabinet. All being prescribed to me. I am getting to the point where I am needing advice on what a nice recreational combo would be. Pretty much here is what I'm working with. Hydrocodone 10/325, Tramadol 50mg's, diazepam 10's, beclofen 20's, lyrica 75's, gabapentin, flexirel 10's, and a couple lorazepam 1mg's left. The hydro's are almost non recreational for me anymore. I'll take 6-8 with minimal effects. 6 Tramadol's do still give me a buzz. 3 diazapam knock me out so not really recreational. 8 75mg lyrica take away my motorskills and have me stumbling but not really a high to it. Any suggestions for a good recreational combo for me?
 
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Only tried cwe 2-3 times and it was a real pain in the a**. I also have researched it several times and am getting conflicting info on the proper way of performing it. Some say mix crushed hydro in warm water then freezer. Some say mix in already nearly frozen water. I've tried coffee filters and after an hour or better it will still not have all gone through the damn filter into the glass. Are paper towels folded several times better or even practical?
 
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As far as I know, this is probably the best place for this discussion as it's basically a combination question.

CWE doesn't have to be a pain in the ass and really is essential with the amount of APAP you are taking. The maximum amount of APAP you should be taking at any one time is 1000mg, and maximum daily dose is 3000-4000mg, depending. Individual doses should be separated by at least four hours. When discussing daily, long-term use of acetaminophen 3000mg per day is even pushing it IMO. Shit is TOXIC. All of this is a little less of an issue if you're extracting.

CWE guides can be a little misleading for what is necessary for extracting smaller amounts of pills. You're not talking about a whole bottle of codeine here, though it is still a lot of APAP. Here is a very quick method for a simple CWE with minimal loss and minimal effort:
1. crush whatever pills you're taking and put into small bowl. Add just enough room temp water so when mixed the solution is not sludgy. (I can try to give you a more precise amount if needed, but I specifically didn't because it's not rocket science.)
2. you can a) either put the bowl in the freezer for 20-30 minutes or if you don't have access to freezer space, b) fill another larger bowl with cold water and a bunch of ice cubes and gently place the smaller bowl in the ice bath. You do not want the water to start freezing, although you do want it about as close as it can get.
3. While you're waiting, prepare your filter by getting it set on your drinking apparatus and wetting it with a couple of mLs of water. Using a pre-wetted filter compared to a dry one is night and day, especially with the smaller amount of water necessary for extraction of 6-8 pills. A paper towel works totally fine as a filter, again at least because you're not extracting an entire bottle of codeine. I usually didn't even fold mine, but I believe they were extra thick.
4. It's a good policy to check your drugs every so often, but after anywhere from 10-35 minutes you will be able to see the APAP and any cold-water-insoluble filters clearly sitting on the bottom of the bowl, with a mostly translucent layer on top (which contains your dissolved hydrocodone).
5. Pour the water and solutes through the filter. Most guides for CWE codeine will tell you not to squeeze the filter, and neither will I. When I was doing this daily, the smaller amount of water necessitated a gentle squeeze and it was fine.
6. Drink up.

Admittedly, this is a bit of a quick-and-dirty method that I'm explaining to you solely because you're talking about something like 2600mg of APAP in the non-extracted dose versus what could be a much larger amount for codeine extraction. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for a whole lot of APAP-- especially the ice bath instead of freezer and paper towel instead of coffee or lab-grade filter-- but for you I really think it's fine as long as the resultant drink appears mostly translucent. Putting the drugs in the freezer instead of an ice bath is definitely the preferable method and you're better off using at least a coffee filter which may work way better once you pre-wet it, but my liver numbers can attest that the ice bath and paper towel way is generally fine up to a certain amount of acetaminophen. I never felt like I wasted an appreciable or noticeable amount of active ingredient and it is SO MUCH safer. It takes thirty minutes, maybe. I know that this might seem like a lot versus doing nothing but it truly is worth the favor you are doing your liver. Once you get into the routine, you can probably (carefully) prepare multiple doses at a time to help speed up the process. So... yeah, please. CWE.

As for your medicine cabinet, boy... I'm not really sure. I mean, I am pretty sure, what I mean to say was "I'm not sure I can responsibly suggest you take any of those with opioids." Benzos and opioids are a common recreational combination, but also a particularly lethal one. So many opioid ODs and deaths are combination related, and so many of those are with benzos. (This isn't to say it's not possible to OD on an opioid alone, of course it is.) Basically, that may be an option theoretically, but I wouldn't recommend mixing hydrocodone with the diazepam or lorazepam from a safety standpoint. It's a combination that can be very dangerous even at relatively doses. I don't want to sound all preachy but that really is the case. It's not like it's impossible to take them together, but the only essentially safe way is under the supervision of a doctor and even this can go awry.

Have you tried potentiating? A lot of things work pretty well with hydrocodone. Maybe you have and maybe you know all about it, but if you don't then be sure to check out the Ultimate Opioid Potentiation Megathread.

The flexeril or baclofen both should be marginally safer than combining opioids with benzos but I'm not sure how fun that would be and it's still somewhat of a risky combination. In terms of efficacy you'd probably be better off taking a diphenhydramine or other 1st-gen antihistamine and some TUMS 30 minutes before ingestion over either of those. I really think potentiation is your best shot if you haven't been down that road yet, and even if you have maybe there's something you haven't tried. I just really can't be the person who tells you to go ahead and take a bunch of Valium with your Vicodin. Obviously that's not going to stop you or anything but I'm just not recommending it, especially as there are a whole bunch of other things you can take that are easy to get and safer to use.

For what it's worth, a liquid hydrocodone after CWE should kick in a little quicker and harder than taking the pills, even if they're chewed or powdered. It's not going to be an earth shattering difference but that alone may boost the effectiveness some.
 
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Thank you Cuivre for the response. I will give CWE another try the way you described. Couple questions for you. Does the flexirel have any recreational value at all? I don't see any unless you think it will act as a potentiater of hydrocodone or Tramadol. The beclofen pretty much acts like the lyrica to me in high doses. Not really any kind of high to speak of. Does make me drowsy though. Would the beclofen act as a good potentiater? Can gaba or lyrica be tossed in the mix with anything because I also see no real recreational value to speak of with these either. Is there anything I can take with the diazepam that would make it less likely to just put me to sleep? Or is that just the nature of the beast with valiums? Tram and diazapam maybe? I'm gonna see about getting some soma instead of beclofen next visit to the doc. Will still have a good bit of beclofen in the safe though.
 
50mg hydrocodone, 1050mg soma, 40mg beclofen, couple drinks of homemade black cherry moonshine = not to bad. Very relaxed watching tv. They say alcohol potentiates the opiates but it feels like it's the other way around. Pretty tipsy for sure. Thumbs up.

Two days later
250mg tramadol, 450mg lyrica, 60mg beclofen, two beers = not as good. Very staggery because of the lyrica. It pretty much just takes away my motorskills. Read that it acts very euphoricly with trams or beclofen, so Figured why not just put them all three together. He didn't care for it much.

Next time 80mg hydrocodone cwe, 1050mg soma, 10-20mg diazepam. Do his best to stay awake through a movie.
 
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