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Recreational Buprenorphine Use

I will be trying buprenorphine again Monday and really hope I'm not sick this time!! It is a nice clean-feeling high, with less sedation than most other opiates I've tried (heroin, opium, codeine and dihydrocodeine, actually DHC is quite stimulating too). It does last for AGES! I prefer DHC and heroin though because they are both warmer and more euphoric. Also, the tendancy to redose til sickness was annoying.

My opiate tolerance is a lot higher now :\ so hopefully I won't get the sickness effects.

I had been nodding off subs before too but it wasn't as nice as I brown nod and I don't really like nodding anyway, I prefer to remain social!
 
Also, the tendancy to redose til sickness was annoying.

My opiate tolerance is a lot higher now :\ so hopefully I won't get the sickness effects.

While your increased tolerance may keep some of the sickness at bay for just a little longer, remember that this is a drug they give to people withdrawing off heroin. I was never in a treatment centre myself, but i spent a good six months in NA about 10 years ago so i became quite familiar with what subutex was being used for. One, it stops other opiates from working as well as they would do (it binds unusually tightly to the receptor apparently). It also has a ceiling effect that stops you getting high past a certain point.

Ceiling effects not a bad thing if you're coming off gear since the last thing you wanna do is start using the substitute at recreational doses ie methadone. If i'm not mistaken, methadone withdrawals are so bad and prolonged that heroin's first role in medicine was to help people withdraw off methadone. I've only seen one person go CT off heroin. It wasn't pretty, but 3 or 4 days and it was done. But i heard stories about going 2 weeks without sleep coming off methadone.

Anyway, back to the subutex. It unfortunately doesn't have the capacity to take you to those higher places. And overcoming the sickness won't help either as higher doses only serve to shut out many of your natural opiods your brain releases anyway. So you might just get in a weird mood or something. Just think of it like tramadol. Y

Yes to the DHC btw. I always been a big fan of that. Codeines nice but DHC is special. Have a good monday.

post edit: i take a fair share of opiates - just mid range ones like the trammies etc.. But sickness can be a problem with me more than most as i suffer from delayed gastric emptying. Its pretty minor in me, or would be if i didn't insist on taking drugs that exacerbate the problem. Two things that help with opiate sickness. Domperidone (brand name motillium) and diphenhydramine (nytol). The motillium is over the counter but easy as hell to get, it's a standard OTC treatment for nausia, bloating etc... Even if you don't feel sick, its not a bad idea to drop 10 - 20 mg domperidone a couple of hours into the session as it combats the slowing down of the digestive system what i think most people would sight as one of the biggest drawbacks from opiates.

Now, when it comes to the nytol - it kelps in two ways. One, it is an antihistamine (helps with the itching), and two it helps relax your stomache if you get cramps. Golden rule though. Don't take the DPH until deep into proceedings as it blocks the liver enzyme CYP2D6, which is usually necessary to get most of these things to work in the first place. Tramadol is a prodrug for sure and relies on this enyzme to do anything useful. Incidently, this is why tramdadol doesn't work on a pill comedown. MDMA leaves your CYP2D6 enzymes in a mess for up to 3 or for 4 days after.
 
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Keeping tolerance low has been my top priority like ten years or some craziness like that. I tried out lots of different methods over the years. If it was me I would run it much more like kratom one day, bupe the next - with a nice mix of 2 days in a row about the rate of once a week - especially if you have tramadol in your arsenal as it has a cumulative effect, so you can actually get the same high as the first day from around 70 per cent of the dose. It sounds like a joke, i'm sort of laughing right now. I fucking stoned out of my mind on one of those synthetic cannabinoids, typing like 4 words chunks at a weird irregular rate just sort of puntcuating a more or less constant zone out, is my full capacity fright now. Incedently, i usually take in these in capsules along with a handful of omega 3 fish oils. These provide a great solvent for the cannabinoid, and play their own small but integral part in keeping me in the game. I just did that little bit as a nod to treacles ethanol fueled sublingual techniques. Chemically that is the best solvent to use that i can think of when it comes to how easily absorbed in the blood stream. There are others, like ether, that will do a better job at keeping the drug molecules solvated. I'm gonna go do about 3 etizolams now. That's my biggest weakness now, the etizolams. I got a bit fucked up on them 3 or 4 months back. I was taking between 10 and 15 a day. I quickly implemented an alternation pattern with pyrazolam. Now I'm on about 5 or 6 day one day, and about 10 pyrazolams the next day. MPA i do more in batches. Force myself to take regular week long breaks on that stuff. Just start pulling 3 day straight benders while trying to hold down a fucking job.

While your increased tolerance may keep some of the sickness at bay for just a little longer, remember that this is a drug they give to people withdrawing off heroin. I was never in a treatment centre myself, but i spent a good six months in NA about 10 years ago so i became quite familiar with what subutex was being used for. One, it stops other opiates from working as well as they would do (it binds unusually tightly to the receptor apparently). It also has a ceiling effect that stops you getting high past a certain point. This is a good thing if you're coming off gear since the last thing you wanna do is start using the substitute at recreational doses ie methadone. If i'm not mistaken, methadone withdrawals are so bad and prolonged that heroin's first role in medicine was to help people withdraw off methadone. I've only seen one person go CT off heroin. It wasn't pretty, but 3 or 4 days and it was done. But i heard stories about going 2 weeks without sleep coming off methadone. Anyway, back to the subutex. It unfortunately doesn't have the capacity to take you to those higher places. And overcoming the sickness won't help either as higher doses only serve to shut out many of your natural opiods your brain releases anyway. So you might just get in a weird mood or something. Just think of it like tramadol. Y

post edit: i take a fair share of opiates - just mid range ones like the trammies etc.. But sickness can be a problem with me more than most as i suffer from delayed gastric emptying. Its pretty minor in me, or would be if i didn't insist on taking drugs that exacerbate the problem. Two things that help with opiate sickness. Domperidone (brand name motillium) and diphenhydramine (nytol). The motillium is over the counter but easy as hell to get, it's a standard OTC treatment for nausia, bloating etc... Even if you don't feel sick, its not a bad idea to drop 10 - 20 mg domperidone a couple of hours into the session as it combats the slowing down of the digestive system what i think most people would sight as one of the biggest drawbacks from opiates.

Now, when it comes to the nytol - it kelps in two ways. One, it is an antihistamine (helps with the itching), and two it helps relax your stomache if you get cramps. Golden rule though. Don't take the DPH until deep into proceedings as it blocks the liver enzyme CYP2D6, which is usually necessary to get most of these things to work in the first place. Tramadol is a prodrug for sure and relies on this enyzme to do anything useful. Incidently, this is why tramdadol doesn't work on a pill comedown. MDMA leaves your CYP2D6 enzymes in a mess for up to 3 or for 4 days after.

I'm sure that's all very fascinating. This is the "Recreational Buprenorphine Use" thread, though. Have you ever taken any buprenorphine at all?
 
Aye I think I'm skirting the edges too, now. The WD comes on so slow and gradual, and I'm probably dosing too frequently, it seem difficult to gauge how bad my habit it.
 
*trigger warning*

ah, all bout having a tiny bit of brown saved for when this base starts waring off

*trigger warning*
 
I'm sure that's all very fascinating. This is the "Recreational Buprenorphine Use" thread, though. Have you ever taken any buprenorphine at all?

Yeah I done subutex - only couple times though to be fair - was just by chance really. When that doctor smoked my weed and then made up for it by giving me a pack. Can't remember what dosage but did wonders for my tramadol withdrawals. I thought I wrote this already? Perhaps not.

Also, judging by your last post you may want to re-read what I wrote a couple more times yourself. Whether fascinating or not, recreational use don't stay that way for long mate, not unless you got a system and you do it smart.

Btw, just for future reference, I never post on a thread where I have no experience of the drug under discussion. Which doesn't leave much out to be honest. Opiates? Yeah I like my tramadol, much rounder and fuller than the o - desmethyl tram for sure, got that energy to it a bit like DHC. Straight codeine has a nice gut punch to it but wears off way too quick. Not massive fan of opium either. Vicodin. Now you're talking! And oxycontin too. Morphine's cool. I like heroin too though haven't done any in a while. Fuck it, I'm even boring myself now.

Anyhow, since you started the thread I'll take the hint and go and piss someone else off on another thread.

Best of luck!
 
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