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how long does it take to recover from piperazine? everyone keeps telling its super bad.

its been almost 4 months since i took a pill cut with piperazine and my mind is definitely altared. everything is so different :\
 
it has nothing to do with the pipe, and you don't have brain damage.

Just because you don't feel well mentally, doesn't mean your "brain is altered". Your body and mind are connected fully.

I'd say get some glutathione. Or precursors to it. I take it sublingually actually. Cuz it has higher bioavailibilty than taking it orally, and I don't have a nebulizer or vaporizer.
The fact is is that nearly everyone with a chronic disease has low glutathione. And glutathione is so so important for health. It's nearly 5000 times more powerful than any other antioxidant. I already said previously about trying progesterone cream.. these are all things you should consider.
 
Hey thizzin.

Same answer, bro:
A year to a year and a half.

This is the answer from top neurologists that deal with MDMA abusers.
My experience tells me that this is generally correct.
Some take 2-4 years, depending on extent of abuse.

Even those that claim they will NEVER recover, generally report SOME progress by the 3-4 year mark. These are the extreme cases you are worried about, not necessarily what you need to be thinking. But it does help to know that even the most fucked up people still DO experience some recovery. I have seen this phenomena in both MDMA users and former SSRI patients.

Piperazines are likely to overlap with these groups.
Besides, you may not have gotten pipes at all.
Many MDMA abusers begin to feel different/strange effects from the drug eventually.

Even if it was pipes....trust me, you are going to be ok.
I promise.

Take it from someone that knows.
I have spent lots of time researching and obsessing.
I determined that the obsession itself is PART of the recovery process.
It is your higher brain's attempt to re-assert itself even though it is being re-wired!

I know you can't stop thinking about it, even if you wanted to.
I don't expect you to either, but I do want to reach you in some way.
Let it sink in bro - you will recover. I promise.

Start exercising, daily.
You will be shocked at how much it helps by the end of the first week.
Take all the supplements I listed.
If you want relief, you have to fight this with everything you got.

And please drop the SSRI. It is going to make this worse in the long run.
There is no way around this, brother. You MUST go through it.

Email me if you need to.
 
And don't listen to people that claim you 'don't have brain damage'.

That is ridiculous, Mr. Euphoric.
How would you even know?

Some doctors and even family members will insist that you are somehow 'making it up' or its 'all in your head'....or 'you just need to stop thinking about it'.

Fuck those people - you know the truth.
You will have to forgive the ignorant, family, doctors, and bluelighters included.

Get a referral to a neurologist with experience, and you will find a doctor that admits how little the science of neurology understands. This means that people on Bluelight that insist you are OK are hardly qualified to make such statements.

The fact is - MDMA users do not want to admit that their drug of choice is toxic and has definitive consequences, especially with continued use. People that claim major brain damage tend to dampen the party a little....but only a little.

Keep on using MDMA. Ignore the ample research.
Ignore the warnings and pleadings from other former users.
Ignore the anecdotal reports of the intense and horrible recovery period.
Ignore your own common sense that says 'all drugs, if abused, will harm me'.
Too much of ANYTHING is bad, MDMA and piperazines included.

He does have brain damage, and so do I.
So do countless others that have abused this marvelous drug over the past few decades.
The fact that the brain is resilient and can recover does NOT mean damage isn't present.

Animal AND human research clearly shows that changes in the nerves that connect your intestines to your brain are happening. Some people have more redundancy built in than others, but MOST heavy users eventually stop due to the negative effects. Even after a long period of abstinence, research shows a greatly reduced response to MDMA.

These are facts, do with them what you will.
 
We have no idea what is going on with your mental health. What kind of frequency were you using MDMA before you stopped? Did you test your pills? If you do not have a testing kit, buy one if you ever decide to roll again.

Seeing a neurologist about your mental health concerns is never a bad idea.

If you want a good summary of the science behind the neurotoxicity debate and what may be happening when you take MDMA, consider reading this summary. It is extremely informative and well written.

Wish you the best and hope you feel better soon.
 
@ firstbadcomedown... how the hell is it going to help anything telling this guy he's gonna need upwards of a year to recover? That's just stupid to be honest, and I feel like you're projecting a little of your own anger on the OP. Not to mention you blab on and on about MDMA when he's talking about piperazines.

OP - Just like I said in your other thread, take a look at your life. Do you eat right? Exercise? Work? Socialize? These are all areas that can cause major mental/physical problems when not given enough attention. Humans need balance. Also, prescription medications can cause a lot more problems than they solve, namely SSRI's (I think I remember you saying you take these).

I also disagree with firstbadcomedown in that I think it's healthier to STOP obsessing about it so much, and just live your life. Don't blame everything on the piperazine...take more responsibility for your own life and well-being.

Additionally, piracetam/aniracetam are going to be the absolute best supplements you can take to help your mind get 'back to normal'
 
just updating on a few things.

i just got back from walmart, and while i was there i was looking down at my phone reading through bluelight and i noticed i get this dizzy feeling, like a drunk spinning feeling in my head, almost feels like an earthquake is going on, and i feel like im sawying a little bit.

is that coming from mdma and piperazine, or from my ssri and antiphsycotic?

also, before drug use i was the most layed back, go with the flow person, with i do admit, a little hiden temper, but i had never previously been in a fight, and it took a lot to get me going.

since then, ive been jumped and i have incredible road rage. anytime a person stares at me for a minute, im quick to be like, "what you lookin at motherfucker?" and ready to brawl. mind you im only 135lbs 5'9" and 18 years old.

is this from meds, drug abuse, or homones.
 
just updating on a few things.

i just got back from walmart, and while i was there i was looking down at my phone reading through bluelight and i noticed i get this dizzy feeling, like a drunk spinning feeling in my head, almost feels like an earthquake is going on, and i feel like im sawying a little bit.

is that coming from mdma and piperazine, or from my ssri and antiphsycotic?

also, before drug use i was the most layed back, go with the flow person, with i do admit, a little hiden temper, but i had never previously been in a fight, and it took a lot to get me going.

since then, ive been jumped and i have incredible road rage. anytime a person stares at me for a minute, im quick to be like, "what you lookin at motherfucker?" and ready to brawl. mind you im only 135lbs 5'9" and 18 years old.

is this from meds, drug abuse, or homones.

It's very difficult to say. The only thing I can tell you is that usually a 4 month break is enough to get rid of most of the negative effects of MDMA abuse. Most people will feel a lot better after they take a 4 month long break.

For a typical person, 4 months break after taking a piperzine pill is more than enough to get back to normal.

How often did you use MDMA before your current break?

The feeling you describe can happen on the peak of a MDMA roll, but you shouldn't be experiencing this 4 months after your last pipe.

Have you talked to a doctor about this feeling? What about your road rage stuff? I would highly recommend talking to a doctor and telling them everything you told us. It's just too difficult to isolate the root cause of your problem with so little information.
 
It's very difficult to say. The only thing I can tell you is that usually a 4 month break is enough to get rid of most of the negative effects of MDMA abuse. Most people will feel a lot better after they take a 4 month long break.

For a typical person, 4 months break after taking a piperzine pill is more than enough to get back to normal.

How often did you use MDMA before your current break?

The feeling you describe can happen on the peak of a MDMA roll, but you shouldn't be experiencing this 4 months after your last pipe.

Have you talked to a doctor about this feeling? What about your road rage stuff? I would highly recommend talking to a doctor and telling them everything you told us. It's just too difficult to isolate the root cause of your problem with so little information.


The following is a long read, but I beg you to please read it, and offer me anything. Im desperate. I feel like my brain is rotten, like im going crazy. Please, this means my life. Doctors just feed me pills. I pray to god for something else to save me.


I started using E, from November 5th, to Jan 22nd 2011, easily 10 pills each month. Every roll was better than the last, had mild comedown, always felt back to 100% normal around two days after using.

Until I unknowingly consumed a blue dragonfly pokeball containing MDxx and my first non-pokeball ever, a blue rolex, very speckled, and the dye would just bleed and melt onto my fingers whenever I held it. Contents of that pill are still unknown, but I'm leaning wayyy towards piperazine, as I have read reports, and talked to people about that pill around the same time.

My friend also rolled for his first time, 14 years old, took a blue rolex from the same batch, along with a red (something) double stack, and was totally fine the next day.

Me on the other hand, I didn't make it, the blue dragon fly went as any other roll, then made me very tired. I decided to bite the rolex in half, then take the second half 30 minutes later. 15 minutes after that i was floored, felt like I wasnt in my body, everything was light, my head had 5000 negative things running through it, I was pacing back in forth, sweating, freaking the fuck out. My whole body went numb.

I had intense, body tingling, eye wiggles, the whole 9 yards, for 18 hours. 18 fucking hours I rolled in my friends bed, but it never ever felt good. I was praying to god for it to end. I contemplating suicide during the whole thing, because of how awful I felt, and it just wouldnt go away.

I threw up 6 times, straight blue and green puke. I didn't sleep for almost 3 days, couldn't eat. I cried basically every hour for the next week or two, breaking down for no reason. Just balling and feeling numb.

I never ever recovered. And here I am, telling my story, pleading for help. I feel like I destroyed my brain.
 
Yeah, you definitely can't roll for 18 hours straight. Dose sound like piperzines.

First of all, you need to try and relax and not think about brain damage. You will be fine.

(Warning I am not a doctor, so take my advice with caution)

Personally, I would try and get off the SSRIs and anti psychotics. This is not what most people would tell you. But I genuinely believe that recovery requires a coordinated effort from your part and not just popping meds.

Start going to the gym regularly (at least 3 x 1+ hours a week). Start jogging. Start eating healthy, no fast food or pizza or w/e. Stick to healthy meals, soup, salad, fish.

Try researching more about supplements. Piracetam has done wonders for me. It always helps mitigate the negative effects of MDMA use. Fish oil (or just eat as much fish as possible). Try and find something productive to do. Study a lot. Set some positive goals in your life. Find a new hobby that will help you get your mind of this whole situation.
 
Welcome to the club, you are now a fine member of the "I've been piped and everything is different"

Just a quick question, when you blaze do you get really paranoid and start having anxiety like your piping out and get all twitchy/jumpy?

Also first time I got piped that happend, took maybe half a year? Rolled again and was piped, feeling hasnt gone away this time.

Just a tip, your brain isnt destroyed, just try to block out that thought, and you'll soon forget about it. Just don't use anything that makes your mind expand.

Also don't take my advice on this, take some clean MDMA, MAYBE it will level you out a bit, after all they have been testing it, to treat people with PTSD ;)
 
^^ straight up. I was in the worst psychotic meltdown/obsessional thinking with insane anxiety and insomnia, I re rolled, and I'm sleeping perfect, having fun again, socializing easily, and last night I went out and fucked a 27 bitch while I'm only 21, so I guess my games back too. :D

So yeah try it, but pre/post load and use a small dose.
 
^ lmao, are you guys serious?

wow. 'take mdma man, it like, heals your brain and stuff, but it also like, totally fucks up your brain'....



@ somedud..... was she fat?


lol jk.

On a side note, I've probably done more piperazines than anyone in this thread and I'm a very healthy individual, more so physically than mentally though ;) Just saying piperazines are not really as bad as a lot of people make them out to be. They still suck though, especially if you think you're getting MDMA.
 
One pill, and it didnt contain MDMA?
Well....
I recovered FINE from ABUSE - a month tops, but thats me, I recover easily on everything, even on hardcore meth binges
 
^ lmao, are you guys serious?

wow. 'take mdma man, it like, heals your brain and stuff, but it also like, totally fucks up your brain'....



@ somedud..... was she fat?


lol jk.

On a side note, I've probably done more piperazines than anyone in this thread and I'm a very healthy individual, more so physically than mentally though ;) Just saying piperazines are not really as bad as a lot of people make them out to be. They still suck though, especially if you think you're getting MDMA.

cryptix I'm being serious on that, from my personal experience, it has helped, and I'm all for mdma doesn't destroy the brain, it's all about how you use it.

Now I've had pipe rolls that were actually decent and sort of fun, and some that are straight death, maybe if you popped some of the straight death ones you'd understand.
 
^ lol understand what? That you claim you healed yourself from piperazine use by taking MDMA? Come on man.
 
^ lol understand what? That you claim you healed yourself from piperazine use by taking MDMA? Come on man.

I didn't claim i healed myself, it just leveled me out, doesn't mean I'm healed....

somdudes coming off that he healed himself, I'm just saying it helped with some issues.
 
really? where is this thread going, im sincerely calling out for help, and im getting these bullshit replys? come on... :/
 
really? where is this thread going, im sincerely calling out for help, and im getting these bullshit replys? come on... :/

dude just chill out.

take a multivitamin, maybe some fish oil, eat a healthy diet, get plenty of exersize and make sure that your getting enough sleep. time heals all bro trust me;)

oh and most importantly dont touch any other drugs in the meantime.
 
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