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Reason for the Global MDMA Crisis (GMC)

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I was just reading the 'MDxx pills are disappearing....piperazine pills taking over' thread and i was wondering, what is the reason behind the MDMA drought. This is not a problem associated just with Australia, it seems the UK, US and other countries are struggling to get quality MDxx pills.
I was wondering if anyone knows the reason, or can hazard a guess?
 
1) Piperazines are often legal or quasi-legal.
2) Piperazines are often cheaper/easier to manufacture.
3) There are enough naive people out there, that people will keep buying pills at the same numbers, no matter what.

1)-3) allow big fish to make a ton more money than in the case where they took on the extra cost/risk to always make/distribute 100% MDMA pills. High-ups care about money and money only; PLUR means nothing to them.

Stronger piperazine laws will be a good start, but until you can convince everyone to "properly test their pills with the most advanced home-testing technology before consuming what should be MDMA" instead of "getting totally rad on this blue blanks I just bought upstairs," the future is pretty bleak.
 
^^ As with all the reasons stated above has been the crack down on the pre-cursors to make MDMA, they are now ''really fucking almost impossible to find", and are just as illegal as shipping MDMA.

Also it is a lot harder to make then other drugs like speed/ice.... so people are not as keen to cook it, as the precursors are hard to find and it's (more) difficult to make.


One could expand on the reasons above, but that (redleader's post) and the point I am representing, sum it up nicely.
 
^ how are we ever gonna stop the destruction, brazillian rain forests are being torn down by the thousands of hectares.
Sad that this oil has already been extracted and will be/was destroyed, not even used for it's legal use. Yet, allegedly, super labs in china pump out tons of piperazine shit, without anyone stepping in.
I love how the anti drug lobby have got the environmentalists on board by saying "look at the trees there pulling down".
 
From what I've seen dealers are preferring to sell K at the moment. Maybe a better profit ratio from it?
 
^ sad for the destruction of nature? or sad for the punters?
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I don't know why everyone thinks MDMA manufacture will kill the world's sassafras forests or those where safrole producing trees grow. As I've mentioned before, several thousand tons of safrole are used every day to produce piperonal and piperonyl butoxide. This safrole comes from nature, and no one has yet claimed the flavours, perfumes and insecticides industries are destroying forests - well not specifically anyway, yet the great majority of 'harvested safrole' goes into producing these chemicals. Indiscriminate harvesting will obviously have more impact, but next to the amounts these legit industries use daily, global MDMA manufacture is but a drop in the ocean.

As mentioned, the reasons for the shortage are largely related to legality, ease of detection, penalties for trafficking, and the market where substitutes are often both easier to source-manufacture and just as easy to sell.

If it were merely safrole availability, then manufacturers would use piperonal to make PMK, or even methylenation of eugenol to get the normal starting material. On a large scale either would surely have to be considered economical.

IMO it's very likely small scale local production of MDMA occurs. Why wouldn't it? There's nothing hard about an OTC based synthesis. If it does occur, then it's probably low key; for friends, friends of friends etc. After all, the Chinese, with primitive wooden stills, were producing the byproduct safrole from Camphor 100 years ago (Check out Essential Oils vol 3 by Ernest Guenther for pics of these stills and a list of chemicals obtained from Cinnamomum camphora - nothing was wasted ) so it's certainly not rocket science. Scaling up OTC production would be difficult but not impossible IMO.
 
I think the global shortage of MDMA is due to criminal groups realiseing how gullible the majority of pill buyers are. If they can pass off shite for bigger profit margins then why wouldn't they?
 
thickskin said:
From what I've seen dealers are preferring to sell K at the moment. Maybe a better profit ratio from it?
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not too sure about a better profit ratio from it (extremely easy if you bought pills in say 100 packs to make $150/10 pills) based on my price knowledge of ounces etc... but maybe if they cut it to shit which thankfully my source never does :) plus k would be a lot harder to sell
 
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I think the global shortage of MDMA is due to criminal groups realiseing how gullible the majority of pill buyers are. If they can pass off shite for bigger profit margins then why wouldn't they?
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U can pick up 1000 pills for the cost of a cheesebuger/pill in the Netherlands. Prices seem to increase by bout 50% once they hit Eastern Europe or so i heard:) I think its the piperazines to blame plus its getting harder to buy precursor chems.
 
A wide proportion of the more clued-in chemists have long since switched away from sassafras anyway...

As was the trend with pseudo-based amphetamine synths; it tends to be the more established but often less imaginative crime syndicates (such as OMCG groups) that stick to 'tried and true, passed down from generation to generation' synthetic methods - When you had the vast asian cartels performing bulk scale phenyl-2-propanone amphetamine synths in indo-china; domestic groups were still trying to sneak large amounts of pseudoephedrine into the country through regular smuggling channels running rp/i reductions.

Along the same lines, whilst most domestically-produced (American) MDMA is sourced from sassafras; you'll find a lot of the european syndicates investigating different processes particularly piperonal routes.

it's essentially the inertia of groups who have been doing the same thing, quite successfully for some time - "it was good enough for Daddy, it's good enough for me!" - Due to a relatively small percentage of scientifically-trained members (as far as I have been eld to believe) in their ranks, as compared to other, international syndicates.
 
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^^ informative post...

on that note, if only that had an AFM, and some fancy tips, they could make the MDMA one molecule at a time... (i know this isn't quite scientificly correct, but :) )

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dip-pen-nanolithography :) forgot the name.
 
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The government does have a stranglehold on the whole situation which is possibly forcing users through a gateway to other drugs. There is a demand for this product and people won't stop making money off it and buying it until the human race is non existent. People want to get high and if MDMA becomes extinct then they will just go to the petrol bowser
 
I did a thread on this subject few months ago -->

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=442716&highlight=harvesting+trees

The drug ecstasy (or MDMA) is made from safrole oil, much of it produced illicitly in the Cardamom Mountains of western Cambodia. An article in GlobalPost reports how production of this oil for the drug is deforesting this area, causing erosion and polluting nearby streams with the distilleries’ waste. The western Cardamoms are also home to more than 80 threatened species, such as the Asian elephant, Indochinese tiger and Siamese crocodile, according to the conservation nonprofit Fauna and Flora International. That group, the report says, has been helping local authorities stage raids on safrole oil distilleries, most of which are found in the Phnom Samkos Wildlife Sanctuary.

Safrole oil comes from a tree known in the region as Mreah prew phnom. It takes four of these trees to produce one 40-gallon barrel of safrole oil and six less valuable trees to use as firewood to process just one Mreah prew phnom tree.
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A very sad topic about the shortage of MDMA indeed. No matter what, the best place for the manufacture of MDMA is always going to be from Europe, esp. The Netherlands and other countries that consider MDMA a "soft-drug". Still illegal nonetheless but over there they are less strict on penalties with that. There we times when they had proper 'ecstasy labs' setup and running until the UN (United Nations) caught on and everyone pointing the finger at the Dutch. They were pretty much forced into shutting down these 'labs' and performing out raids just to make out like they were helping the society and make them look like their tough against drugs.

Before, I bet almost 70% of all MDMA came from Europe and the other 30% was sourced from Asia, USA or manufactured locally.

Going to what someone said above - we are REALLY in a new-age where we do not have Chemist that want to cook up a batch of MDMA or its MDxx cousins because the process is either "too hard" or chemicals are hard to source. So they swtich to something more easier. Just like how we have a shortage of doctors nowadays and how no one wants to be a doctor or similar jobs. There is simply no one that wants to even bother becoming a cook or making MDMA. Years ago, I bet you'd only find much older people cooking up MDMA that were highly experienced and chances are they previously worked for big pharmaceutical companies and knew how to manufacture shit.
 
CHiLD-0F-THE-BEAT said:
Perhaps the War on drugs has been won?
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Illegal drugs are a major source of income for governments, it will 'never' go away. It would not surprise me to see drug companies collaborating in providing the precursor chemicals to crime syndicates.

There is just too much 'everywhere' for them not to be. And what better way to do so then to provide cheaper alternatives for extra profit, that are less monitored.
 
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