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Really Tripping with pets

willow11 said:
I mean, lab animals can be 'trained' to take LSD, but I believe they generally avoid any hallucinogens if given the chance. Makes me really wonder if humans are the smart ones after all ;)
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This thought has crossed my mind maaaany times. But it's not the only instance of on species finding use in a material and another finding danger.
 
I removed a lot of personal attacks and trolling comments. In the future, infractions/warnings will be given out for personal attacks. Disagreement is fine and encouraged... this is discussion. But there's no excuse for taking it to an attack level (idiot, moron, go die in a fire... etc).

I'll post some thoughts here sometime when I've had them.
 
Raw Evil said:
Get the hell off your high horses. Sure, you guys might not have done this, but shit, it's in the past, and he's sharing his experiences with us. Isn't that what this forum is meant to be about?
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THIS. People get so histrionic when it comes to animals. Not that I advocate dosing your pets, but I mean, seriously, this is a guy who is relating a story from his past, hardly advocating something, and people see fit to come out and attack him. Totally unnecessary IMO.
 
God sakes i'm just stating anyone who thinks it's acceptable to dose pets with psychedelic compounds is operating with flawed logic, and thats to put it lightly.

I'm not attacking anybody, i'm not flaming the OP, i'm just saying those who think giving their pets psychedelics is beneficial to them are just lying to themselves or using some pretty retarded logic..

The only reason these people dosed their pets is for their own entertainment.

And i find it incredibly stupid these people think their dog is gaining some cool insights about their reality through their unknown secret dosing of psychedelic, give me a break seriously..

Hey einsteins, your dog would gain more from a lush walk than 12 hours of lsd tripping.

And i'm not "attacking" the OP, i'm speaking in reply to the numbskulls justifying dosing pets with psychedelics.. than saying shit like well we kill animals to eat them so surely this isnt as bad lol... maybe someone can see my point?
 
Depressicaa said:
You guys are rude and deranged. The OP is not a retard, although what he would do I would probably not do. It was an experience that they may have been better with or without. Is a veterinarian a fucked up retard for putting an animal under ketamine?
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That is a terrible comparison. Ketamine is an anaesthetic, it helps the pet with injury. LSD is a psychedelic, it would be frightening for an animal that runs only on instinct (compared to humans) to be basically spiked with LSD, with no idea what is going on while their thoughts are being greatly altered.
I personally wouldn't do it, I wouldn't give LSD to anyone/anything unless they chose to and I thought they were mentally ready.
 
Originally Posted by Depressicaa
You guys are rude and deranged. The OP is not a retard, although what he would do I would probably not do. It was an experience that they may have been better with or without. Is a veterinarian a fucked up retard for putting an animal under ketamine?
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Hey einstein there's a big difference between trying to induce a recreational psychedelic experience in your dog and putting them under anaesthetic so they can be fucking cut open.

Now to put it into perspective for you depressica, a dog needs an operation which will give it a much better quality of life, perhaps even save it's life. Yet there's a problem, we cant just go chopping into the animal it will cause it intense agony and trauma... So this operation has to go down and you have two options, dose the dog with ketamine or let it endure the procedure drugless.

Okay obviously in this situation not giving the dog ketamine is going to cause more harm than good. Do you get it now? That's the choices, dog takes ketamine or dog endures hardcore trauma, obviously the ketamine is a better option.

Do you get it yet? That's not a valid argument for dosing dogs with psychedelics depressica..... Infact it's incredibly stupid, before any touchy feely mods come and edit my post, i'm stating the opinion is stupid, not the person..

Seriously dont drug your dogs take them for a nice walk instead. Basically, vets give animals drugs for medically justifiable reasons, where it would be more harmful for the animal to not be dosed. Drugging your dog yourself is nowhere near being comparable.

My final question to those that think nothing wrong of dosing animals, Why is it okay to dose an animal unknowingly, but generally accepted that it's pretty cruel to dose a human without telling them, but to dose an animal that dosn't even know what a drug or nervous system is, is totally fine?

Is this because the dog cant speak up for himself the next day so there's not real consequences to your actions? For your own entertainment? This is what i dont understand in y'all mentality is kind of the final straw, WHY IS IT OKAY TO DOSE ANIMALS UNKNOWINGLY, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO DOSE PEOPLE UNKNOWINGLY? Double standards no?
 
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So much arguing and strong iron opinions, hah. Well, I wasn't condoning giving animals drugs. "They don't know they are being dosed" is debatable.

The second time, when I gave them that little bit of paper with some ham flavoring, they knew. Almost thought and smelled it, observed it a moment before eating it. I think I had consent the second time :) I don't expect many to believe it, but that's ok. I won't argue or read the long rants against it.

Very closed minded posts for a psychedelic forum. But I was refreshed by a few posts, such as ones by RawEvil, Hiss, Symmetrical Daze, depressica, and a few others. Thanks for the support/defense :)

I couldn't care less if random texts from people have a problem with what I did 15 years ago though, I expected it and its like water missing a duck's back. No defense needed but opinions on animals and their consciousness/ability to have a psychedelic experience welcome.

I know they can have a good time :)

But they can have a bad time, too, so I don't recommend anyone gambling with their pets.

These are the two experiences I've admitted and reported. There were a few more. With these same pets, with consent, but the last time was over a decade ago. Probably before what many here knew what psychedelic meant.
 
If I get an impression they are welcome and more people want to read them; then I'll strain my memory to the best of my ability and share facts of what happened. Followed by my opinions of course. None turned out bad like story #2, that was the worst night with the pets I had to get out of the way.
 
Go for it Grong. Statute of limitations of "animal abuse" have passed :) Report away.

I'm interested. Not like you are experimenting with animals now. I don't blame you; and I'm surprised to hear myself say that I think you had noble intentions.
 
Yeah I don't really care but I find it to be a waste of material. The average domestic cat and dog act stupid enough to prove this to be a waste of time and any obnoxious interpretation concerning what your animals are "feeling" on substances you dosed them on really demonstrates the maturity level of an adult human being. However its interesting to know that psychs alter animals in a completely different way and could provide value to research if it were allowed. For instance to what extent can a dog's olfactory sense be enhanced? (you know what organization would leap on that and deny rc involvement!xd). Dipt targets our auditory system so why couldn't another compound work in a different way for the olfactory sense of a dog? Adderall increases the ability to learn and remember/retain information that can be recalled without adderall in the system. There's cancer sniffing dogs out there this "prohibited" and "shunned" practice could be beneficial if people weren't so whiny.
 
Grong said:
If I get an impression they are welcome and more people want to read them; then I'll strain my memory to the best of my ability and share facts of what happened.
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I'm interested at least. Wouldn't want you doing those things just so you could tell us, but since they're done, we might as well hear about them!
 
I don't think we should keep this thread going.... animal rights advocates would have a field day... it could threaten bluelight. Any Mods out there? You agree?
 
iblewafuseinmymind said:
Yeah I don't really care but I find it to be a waste of material. The average domestic cat and dog act stupid enough to prove this to be a waste of time and any obnoxious interpretation concerning what your animals are "feeling" on substances you dosed them on really demonstrates the maturity level of an adult human being. However its interesting to know that psychs alter animals in a completely different way and could provide value to research if it were allowed. For instance to what extent can a dog's olfactory sense be enhanced? (you know what organization would leap on that and deny rc involvement!xd). Dipt targets our auditory system so why couldn't another compound work in a different way for the olfactory sense of a dog? Adderall increases the ability to learn and remember/retain information that can be recalled without adderall in the system. There's cancer sniffing dogs out there this "prohibited" and "shunned" practice could be beneficial if people weren't so whiny.
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Good post and a good point.

Also just throwing it out there like i stated many times i dont see it as animal abuse, i was just disputing a few things people claimed. I know you guys that gave your dogs psyches love em.:)
 
You dont consider it animal abuse?

Jesus you retards are totally delusional mean assholes.

I agree with a couple posts above this thread needs to be not only closed but DELETED as in ERASED.

It will just give juveniles and the mentally ill more sick abusive ideas to try.

Please kill this and delete it to save many animals some horrific chemical abuse at the hands of "owners" they once felt were their beloved friends.
 
Its like dosing someone without them knowing. I'm strongly against it.

I would never do such a thing to my cats or any other animals.

I've shared few weed hits with my cat in the past but now i think it was wrong and i regret it.
Pets live so short compared to humans... Dont waste this precious time we spend with them for silly and irresposible activities.

Take care
 
You guys are rude and deranged. The OP is not a retard, although what he would do I would probably not do. It was an experience that they may have been better with or without. Is a veterinarian a fucked up retard for putting an animal under ketamine?

Seriously, you disagree, insult the OP for giving a valuable post and don't even have the decency to explain your reasoning. So what, he is going to see a doctor because he thought it was a good idea to give his animals drugs? What would they do, treat him with Lithium for being psychotic? In an ironic statement I shall call you retards.


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Someone I know gave the host of some party I was at a while ago's cat a very small amount of ketamine. The poor cat behaved pretty odd for a couple of hours, but didn't suffer any permanent problems. The culprit thought it was pretty amusing, it's not something I'd have ever done myself mind you.
 
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