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Really Tripping with pets

/\(to Roger)
I'm not saying they should be dosed (or saying never), but saying he needs psychiatric help and he's a fucked up cruel deranged retard is going way too far. As was said well by RawEvil, we don't know how animals mind respond, but a 6 hour experience out of their mostly boring ~ten years of life isn't an inherently bad thing, IMO. I think Grong's intentions were well enough, he wasn't a kid fucking around to see what would happen, he considered them as spiritual friends, which is what I consider my dog. I'd be afraid to hurt my dog but if I really thought she was interested I'd dose her. Of course that is near impossible to tell so she won't be getting anything.

It's a sad story in a way to me, its an older dude talking about long gone pets. It's sad they don't live longer, and this guy thought he did what was best. Besides, the animals acted playful, a clear sign of being content.

So it's not like he's "going across the nation, spreading LSD to all the animals" or anything nutso like that.
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LOL, RawEvil. Sure is what they are acting like.

Modify: interesting story. I am convinced now (not just from your story) that animals can benefit and enjoy psychedelics. There is just too much room for error for me to attempt anything with my old buddy though.
 
Ismeme said:
That is cruel and deeply deranged. I think you need urgent psychiatric help.
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You are just mad at Grong for disagreeing with you, I checked Hiss's claim. 10g shrooms dry doesn't work after acid, wow that was made up. Psychiatric help for seeing his animals as spiritual friends and giving them small doses... get a life and get over it.

Good post, Grong. Ignore the ignorant.

I wouldn't recommend anyone dosing pets under any condition, but who knows, maybe it will be used by vets in the future to positively modify personality or something. Maybe "modify_you"'s story was true, if it is, very interesting.
 
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I wouldn't bullshit about it, and still have a video of her on my phone just cause its fun to go back and watch every now and again.
 
You guys are rude and deranged. The OP is not a retard, although what he would do I would probably not do. It was an experience that they may have been better with or without. Is a veterinarian a fucked up retard for putting an animal under ketamine?

Seriously, you disagree, insult the OP for giving a valuable post and don't even have the decency to explain your reasoning. So what, he is going to see a doctor because he thought it was a good idea to give his animals drugs? What would they do, treat him with Lithium for being psychotic? In an ironic statement I shall call you retards.
 
Interesting post Grong, and you've opened quite a moral can of worms, it seems! Psychedelics are quite routinely given to animals in a lab setting, though mostly mice nowadays. And the doses often go very high - 5mg/kg DOI? Uh, no thanks! Maybe the paw batting was the same as the limb flicks in this quote?

Nichols said:
Hallucinogens evoke a variety of stereotypical motor responses in laboratory animals, including ear scratch in mice, head twitch in mice and rats, reciprocal hindleg body scratch in gerbils, limb flicks and abortive grooming in cats, and limb jerks in primates.
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I think, if you're going to give animals psychedelics, it's much better that they be pets you have a good relationship with in the comfort of your home or out in nature than lab animals. Maybe if you could find some way of doing it where they know what it is they're eating then it would be less objectionable. Like if you put it on something unusual, that they wouldn't normally eat. If they try it once and then are more keen on eating it again then they probably want to do it. Like sheep, and Modify you's dog, eat psilocybe mushrooms:


Ismene said:
i would definitely say they are a mechanized defense, the animals would be wwaaaayyy to weirded out to go near those again

Not so...

Sunday Star(New Zealand). Sunday, September 3, 1989. Page A16. MUSHROOM MADNESS

Sheep that eat hallucinogenic mushrooms are causing problems for drivers on the remote Shetland Islands off Scotland.

Psilocybin, or "magic mushrooms," popular as an alternative to LSD, grow in abundance on the rugged islands and the sheep have taken to nibbling them.

"You have to watch the road at night," said one resident. "It;s as if the sheep are drunk. They fall over and take no notice of traffic."

SHEEP EAT LSD AND GO BONKERS!


Sheep are tripping like Woodstock hippies thanks to a crop of hallucinogenic mushrooms that sprouted on islands off the coast of Scotland.

Authorities say the animals can't resist the mushrooms, which contain a natural type of LSD and cause them to hallucinate for hours.

According to reports, the sheep:

*Stumble and fall like drunks.

*Run in terror from imaginary predators.

*Wander into roads and refuse to move, even for speeding traffic.

*Have lost all interest in sex.

Walk sideways and backwards, bleating crazily.

*Won't eat anything but mushrooms even though they have no nutritional value and taste like old leather.



The sheep even let other barnyard animals like chickens, roost on their backs without flinching.

"They're wrecked," Dr. Phillip Johnston of the North of Scotland Agriculture College, told reporters.

I have never seen sheep behave like this/ They're litterally out of their minds.

"But as long as the mushrooms are growing, the sheep are going to eat them. They must like the way they feel when they're tripping.

"They act crazy -- but they look like they're having a good time."

Shepherds alerted authorities after their herds began to behave strangely in August.

Animal experts traced the problems to the mushrooms, which grow wild and in great numbers in the Shetland Islands when weather conditions are right.

"In a few more weeks the mushrooms will be gone and the sheep will return to normal," said Dr. Johnston. "In the meantime, the shephers are going to have to keep a close eye on their flocks.
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I definately don't approve of giving your pets anything but medical drugs but the tread reminded me of a cat we used to have.
I had some Salvia plants at the time and the cat used to nibble the leaves from the plant occasionaly and go pretty nuts. It seemed to like it. It was quite a druggy cat in a way as it had a serious milk addiction and would go weird if it didn't get it's daily fix. It was a cool cat.
 
the only drug my kitties will be getting is catnip... and they seem to like it well enough. I mean obviously the OP is not an evil person for dosing his pets and I'll admit when I was an I was in high school I, like the asshole I was at the time, would blow smoke into my dogs face, but that doesnt make any of it any less cruel. Still I wonder what the psychedelic experience would be like in an a pet or any animal with lower intelligence. I mean mice can't tell the difference between massively differnt psychedelics right? But obviously theres still something huge going on. Not to mention they have the luck to have no language skills. I mean think about it, a trip without our inferior languages to muddy it? A trip you spend no time trying to interpret but rather just experience? Sign me up lol
 
growit&smokeit said:
I definately don't approve of giving your pets anything but medical drugs but the tread reminded me of a cat we used to have.
I had some Salvia plants at the time and the cat used to nibble the leaves from the plant occasionaly and go pretty nuts. It seemed to like it. It was quite a druggy cat in a way as it had a serious milk addiction and would go weird if it didn't get it's daily fix. It was a cool cat.
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Sounds like topcat.
 
how do you guys know that animals are less intelligent then humans? if anything animals are MORE intelligent than humans. why do you think they dont kill their own and watch the stupid fucking television?

the only reason i wouldnt give lsd to animals is because im greedy and would rather eat it myself :)
 
As skillet mentioned there are sheep that seem to enjoy eating psilocybin mushrooms. I suppose the question is whether they associate the after-effects with the mushroom or whether they just enjoy the taste.
 
Raw Evil said:
Get the hell off your high horses. Sure, you guys might not have done this, but shit, it's in the past, and he's sharing his experiences with us. Isn't that what this forum is meant to be about? Sweet zombie Christ, check your egos, the three of you. Besides:
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I get your point raw but if I'd broke wind in a lift full of children just as I left it, and then came on the forum talking about I'd expect to get a little disapproval.

Not saying that i have of course..
 
I appreciate the positive comments and those who 'defended' me against the negatives. Thanks for realizing I didn't have bad intentions or even curious intentions, I just wanted to unite spiritually with them; which seems like kind of a delusion but I felt something magic happen, and they were more friendly towards me. Especially G, who seemed very apologetic the next day after being mean.

And thanks to most of the negative comments for giving me a chuckle, and I won't say more about that :)
 
Grong, I respect you for sharing this with us. I have to admit I was pretty outraged by the "omg yer psychotic you need help" comments. It may be dangerous but I can understand the intentions behind it.

What I think would be interesting is controlled, safe experiments of giving small doses of psilocybe to chimps or bonobos or other human-like primates... and see if it improves or expands cognitive or linguistic function. Or anything, really.

And don't you people start calling me delusional or say "that's fucked up." I've had enough of that moral condescending bullcrap.
 
Morals aside this is a fascinating story, thanks for taking the time to tell about it (and risking the internet wrath), OP.

I read somewhere on the internet a couple of different stories, one with someone who gave his pet cat a tiny sliver of an LSD blotter and tripped with it and said it seemed like the cat had a good time, and another story with someone who tripped 'often' with his German Shepherd (I think), going out into fields and letting him off his lead... wish I could find those posts again!

Years ago, my family dog came in one day acting a bit strange, and we deduced she must have eaten the liberty caps found in the park out the back of our house.. she spent a few hours basically chasing what seemed like invisible flies around the house, then lying down and snapping at invisible flies, then basically just lying down looking sorry for herself trying to ignore invisible flies buzzing around her head.

I wouldn't dare dosing my own cats, although I bet the more excitable of the two would love it... I basically leave a bag of opened catnip buttons open on my shelf and he helps himself whenever he wants some, so I know he likes to party.
 
RhythmSpring said:
Grong, I respect you for sharing this with us. I have to admit I was pretty outraged by the "omg yer psychotic you need help" comments. It may be dangerous but I can understand the intentions behind it.
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Seconded

RhythmSpring said:
What I think would be interesting is controlled, safe experiments of giving small doses of psilocybe to chimps or bonobos or other human-like primates... and see if it improves or expands cognitive or linguistic function. Or anything, really.
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That would be an awesome experiment, might help to prove or disprove McKenna's Food of the Gods bit?
 
I'd support controlled experiments with animals and psychedelics, but only if there was an antidote available if they looked uncomfortable, such as a benzo or barbiturate. I'd be more interested in dogs than other species. I'm pretty sure primates like us would trip without a doubt... maybe good, maybe bad.

Can psychedelics change an animal's behavior long-term? It'd be interesting to collect dogs that are mis-behaving, like ones on "death-roe" at the pound, and see if a few trips along with positive human interaction would help them change. I think it could definitely help. Imagine turning mean dogs, doomed to die, into manageable, even friendly pets? Could save many animals, whose lives are miserable in cages. For it to work properly, I think the animal would have to be uncaged, and at least in a big room but preferably outside on a 50 foot leash, or a fenced area.
 
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