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Reality may be reversed

Dedbeet

Dedbeet

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Hi All,

I'm very serious about this post, having had a continuation of insight tonight, and ask everyone to consider it. It's very bleak. Man may be running in the opposite direction, full speed. These thoughts have been gathering speed lately. I sense deep and unplumbed possibilities in these concepts.

All the human fantasies, dreams, hopes, etc. are falsehoods that have always led man away from the truth.

All of the dreads, fears and escapes man has attempted are indicators that lead toward the light.

The mind/psyche is the resistance. It's backwards -- a 180 degree reversal of reality. I figure this to be true because every psyche is taught by others -- and had by self. This is what reverses it. We're all taught by what we see straight out of our eyes, what's out in the world, which are others. Every one of us have been taught by others.

And all of us are a self taught by them.

Also -- I believe self and other are reversed.

We're actually others, although this doesn't change anything, in fact makes more sense. The ego never fit. Everything is still one, etc. Except we are all others to each other. *everything* is other to everything else, which means all is one.

The ego is what would happen if you turned the 180 degree reversal inside out.

A single self. The universe, inside out.

And I believe that the universe may be inside out.

I believe we may be on the inside, looking out. But don't have a clue what that would mean.

We all are each other, and mirroring each other. *** DISTRUST THE MAN IN THE MIRROR I believe that the mirror may be the only thing that *doesn't* accurately reflect. ***

This is why the harder we try to achieve, the more we fail. We're running in the direction of complexity, away from the truth.

Sometimes I wonder if what we perceive through our senses is also very different than what we think. There's nobody to ask that isn't in the same boat, and no way to know what the situation is for them -- we can't get out of our own. But it's fascinating.

As for the reversal -

Pretty much every dualistic pole is each other. This isn't a concern to change or seek, except to show that man has been running away. Would be happy to dream up explanation for any, if curious.

Desire: fear (should be feared) Fear = desire (desirable)
Success: Failure Failure: Success
Gain: Loss Loss: Gain
Self: Other (the seen) Other: Self (being seen by others

The fact that every dualistic pole is each other means that if every one of them were reversed..

A singular reality or self.

It falls together perfectly and turns out fine in the end. For example, once the nature of desire and want is clear, one has nothing to seek in the future and doesn't need one. Every search must fail, because at the achievement, desire fails.

Not to mention, it's the search for meaning that causes meaninglessness, the search for hope hopelessness, the search for help helplessness, etc. Those ones are search based. End all search and both hope and hopelessness dissolve. Both meaning and meaninglessness dissolve.

Leaving life utterly dynamic, so present-based that one consciously is every perception and sensation as it happens.
 
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Who are you? well you're not the mind-made mask that is your ego, you are most certainly your own consciousness and awareness. Ok maybe you're partly the ego but you don't need to be all the time. I sense that each of our awareness is so vast that we already know everything there is to know. We only have the ego in the lower power of the mind because without it we would have nothing to learn about, and/or find the deeper meaning in! Every time we go down into a lower powered body with our ultimately powerful spirit we are adding restrictions to our self in order to gain new meaning and truth out of things we already know, but do not know of from experience, only from universal awareness/knowledge. All you have to do in order to achieve what you wish is to not get lost in the mind, but to feel inside of your consciousness & act on the intuition of it.
 
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Who are you? well you're not the mind-made mask that is your ego, you are most certainly your own consciousness and awareness. Ok maybe you're partly the ego but you don't need to be all the time. I sense that each of our awareness is so vast that we already know everything there is to know. We only have the ego in the lower power of the mind because without it we would have nothing to learn about, and/or find the deeper meaning in! Every time we go down into a lower powered body with our ultimately powerful spirit we are adding restrictions to our self in order to gain new meaning and truth out of things we already know, but do not know of from experience, only from universal awareness/knowledge. All you have to do in order to achieve what you wish is to not get lost in the mind, but to feel inside of your consciousness & act on the intuition of it.
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I am the stated reality turned inside out.

But not sure who you are. That may be the most interesting question of all.

Actually, I know who you all are - my Self.

Any of you may or may not be in this reality's future.

This may be occurring moment to moment, with what's straight ahead the future, and what's behind the past.

It seems to be woven of time and space, with the future ahead, and the past gone.

I'm not sure where the pattern for all this is coming from, or even if there is one.

Fear may be preventing the end of the dream, and what this dream is woven from.

I don't know where fear originated, or how reality could have encountered it, but it seems to be the element holding it together.

I'm not sure about the intelligence of the dream, if it can or will be preserved.

Probably not. All must pass. But who knows.

I'm looking into the future -- and there is no future. The past is gone -- I don't know if forever. Probably.

I can't look into the past -- it's behind. Whether it "exists" or not, I don't know. Probably not.

Existence is nonexistence.

When that implodes, I suspect all is a reality beyond existence.

Probably well beyond existence.

This may be trivial compared to existence/nonexistence.

But how the hell did Existence get to be nonexistence?
 
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Have you read anything by Carlos Castaneda? A few books in, the brujo Don Juan finally hints to something very much like what you are describing.
 
just reading this thread puts me on the verge of a panic attack
 
I'm not you at all dedbeet, we are both gaining different amounts and forms of karma. At the end of my life, and your life, we will both be going to different places. Once we arrive at these other places you'll learn how we are separate-individual spirits, the closest we can get to being each other is spiritually evolving enough to be being in the company and space as our creator, which is partly our self. When people say they have seen everything and everyone as themselves, either by a drug induced visual, or by sober effort/enlightenment, it is only because we are all made from the same material at the moment, which is the planet we currently reside on. I have seen this visual effect as everything/one as me but I now realize what I just said as the truth.
 
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it is only because we are all made from the same material at the moment,
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No it's not.


edit, I think everyone is one because I think the root of experience is the same within everything that is conscious. Therefore identifying as a manifestation apart is deluding yourself if you are aware of the truth.
 
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no mystery, no cogitation, no romanced philosophy - our personality is a product of our experiences, rearing, education and genetics.
all this woo woo is natural for young minds grasping at things that have no answers.
 
OP I've thought about this since I was 14. I remember the thought would always pop into my head that maybe I'm just perceiving things the way I want/should see them. I know I'm not crazy b.c there are some respected theoreticians who have thought/tried to prove some of the same things

I would always think about when I ask someone for example how these jeans look, they could be saying they look god awful, but my brain processes it as "those jeans look good". It's kinda hard to describe

Another thing I would always think about is the only thing thats real is the room I'm in, or whatever directly in my eyesight, and the reason I see what I see is b.c that's what I've been hardwired to see. Like I look at a tree in front of me, and my brain tells me that's a tree, with brown bark and green leaves. But what if its really nothing what I think it is, it's just how my brain perceives reality, or it could be something completely different, but thats how my brain configures the information

The possibilities are endless, but I think we see what we see or hear what we hear is because that's the largest capacity of what our minds can obtain. That we simply can't fathom what might really be there. I'm sure most of that is confusing to most people, I tried to put it in the best lamens terms I could.

OP good post, I've never talked with someone else about this, feel free to PM me any time
 
Ya compare the lattice diagrams b/w a set with 3 elements with a diagram where a set has 4 elements.

3 elements:
orderedSet-latticePowersetAbc.png

the abc can be relabled in terms of true and false values such that (a,b,c) = (1,1,1)
ab = (1,1,0), ac = (1,0,1) bc = (0,1,1)
and a = (1,0,0), b = (0,1,0) c = (0,0,1)
and the empty space = (0,0,0)


4 elements:
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you can see the duality between the three dimensional prisms.
if you exist (true) as a prism in 4d, then there is an equal opposite (false) prism that you are related to.
 
Learn to see yourself without a mirror.
Mirror your self to see yourself clearer.
 
Reality is only what you experience. Which is why everyone constantly tells you "don't worry about what else is going on in the world. Don't worry about your neighbor, your friend, your bitchy ex who dumped you..." because the only reality you have is your experience. When you extend what you think "reality" is to what's going on with everyone else, you lose sense of your reality. This causes you to be unmindful of your insights and bodily endeavors, creating a small downward spiral.
 
Reality is...that you can't perceive true reality with a human mind, and that try as you might, you will always fall short in trying to describe reality with words. We forget that words, and all language is make believe. Somebody came up with it a long time ago, it was very useful and still is, but it falls short in describing even our own subjective reality time and time again.

Eat a ripe peach, now describe exactly what it tastes like to someone who's never had one. It's not possible. You can only describe it in terms of other things.

I find this stuff extremely interesting, but i hope you're not too much like me and are going to go "down the rabbit hole" in search of answers. I have, and it drove me a little batty and though i felt a strong sense of interconnectedness with the world, my friends were worried because i'd be standing still in the middle of a room staring outside at trees in a catatonic like state. Aw fuckit, i had to do it, there wasn't really another way. Obviously when you get that sensation, these kind of things are more important than other things. Don't be like me and neglect your terrestrial life =-)

I think if you have that pang inside you thinking "there's more, there's more, what i've been told...EVERYTHING i've been told doesn't seem exactly right" one of the best things you can do is listen to ALAN WATTS.

I don't know if you've heard of him, but he is IT for me on all things like this. He can put it out there in plain language.

Alan Watts, Anthony De Mello (a book called AWARENESS - changed my life), and any books on Buddhism that aren't too dogmatic (full of crazy ass 19 letter Southeast Asian terms for Buddhist related things)

For reality "being inside out" you know...i don't know exactly what that means (which is why i say words fall short and you'll go down the rabbit hole trying to put reality into digestable language) but you're definitely on the right track.

The meaning of life is to help other people. That's it. We have the means in this world for everyone to live a great quality of life, but because we're convinced that we ARE 1 person and that we need to feed that beast, we strive, we lie, cheat, manipulate, we hope the next man is passed over for a promotion, we enter careers with companies that are bottomfeeding scum because there's a buck in it. We sue others.

We're animals, same as deer or any other, who have a conscious mind. So we create god to deal with pain, and to answer the unanswerable, and to tell us that we're special, and to tell us that "we" are going to live forever in the afterlife. Nevermind that the chemical elements that make up your body once were part of other stuff, and when you die your body will dis-integrate and become other stuff.
 
Oh, and for me the easy and enjoyable part was starting to to figure some of this stuff out. The tough part is going back out in the world and being able to live as if you know these things and not compromise. Society is a motherfucker.

Great example - i'm at a cookout, 8-9 people, all close friends of mine are trashing one of my best friends' new GF. She's...different, sure. "She's fake, hey NomNom, don't you think she's so FAKE?" Eh...and everyone is in agreement and i see why they're saying it but it's like...you know...she learned behavior at some point and is pushing the new experience of meeting people through the filter of her prior experience, and...she comes off as acting "fake" for whatever reason. Why that's...a big deal or makes anyone better than her i don't know. She's the same as anyone, a scared little child inside an older person's body, looking around for cues as to how to behave so as to not tip others off to that fact.

To me it's like, if someone is acting that way then obviously they feel uncomfortable. With themselves, with the people around them, has something on her mind, etc. So be cool help her out, help her let her guard down and feel at ease. The more at ease she feels the more at ease we'll all feel.
 
^ ^ That is a beautiful post, NomNom(Nom). And I'm with you 100% on the Alan Watts thing. Philosophical cure.
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I agree, this thread puts me on the verge of a panic attack as well. I've gone down this route of thinking before, and actually smoking DMT triggers it. I feel like I'm hitting some kind of existential ceiling, where I'm seeing the truth, but the truth is that the universe is about to end and everything will be over and sucked back into nothingness, and that I am alone in my perception, so very alone. It drives me insane.

ugh.
 
I've been challenged all my life (I'm 48) on 'not living in reality'. I tend to view my life as a movie..by that I don't mean I'm looking at 'me' as if on a screen third person (at least I don't think I do...yikes) but my 'reality' is that I have, had, and expect to continue to have many experiences and reactions to those experiences that to someone else are viewed as 'over the top', 'highly dramatic' and 'silly'.
Having 'my' reality has gotten me through a lot of stuff. And about 8 months ago, I realized that I can't live via someone else's notion of reality...because it's 'theirs' and theirs alone.
(I probably need to be in a bit more altered state than I am to really tackle this).
 
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