Opioids Ready To Go Back to Being a Weekend Warrior

[Sweet Jane]

I'm looking for advice on how to titrate off opiates, so I'm off them entirely in a couple weeks. My history:

I'm prescribed eight 30 mg oxycodone a day; 240 a month. It's been a awhile since my prescription lasted more than two or two and a half weeks. I've been taking morphine -- first the liquid, then the 60 mg pills -- to get by during the time between prescriptions. But, I'm now at the point where my back either doesn't hurt that badly, or it hurts so badly that I need to take a lot more oxy than I like to get rid of the pain. I don't like being too high to enjoy my oxy! So, the last couple scripts have only lasted me a week and a half. Then it's onto the morphine. Which works well on the pain, and is probably better for me -- I don't get any 'head high' or euphoria from it as I get from the oxy. But I'm tired of the whole drug thing -- having to wait on unreliable people, paying a small fortune, etc. I want to be done with opiates, except for my own, and those only on weekends. I get that you more experienced users are laughing at me right now, thinking this is going to work. I'd laugh too. But I want to try it.

Stupidly, I relied on morphine that was promised and not delivered this month. Stupidly, because now I need to titrate off opiates without it. Within the next couple weeks.

I either have, or have access to, sixty (60) 10 mg valium per month (still have a large amount from this month's script), I expect to have a script of thirty (30) 350 mg (? -- the large white ones) somas within the next week or so. I currently have about four or five on hand. I have access to low dosage opana -- Forty (40) or so 5g mg of extended release and the same amount/dosage of immediate release opana. I will also likely have access to morphine, both in liquid and pill form (60 mg extended) within the next couple weeks. I really don't want to use that. Don't want to buy it, don't want to use it and am hoping that the opana and benzos will see me through.

My problem (well, one of them) is that I don't know where to start. How do I know/tell how much of what to take to avoid the worst of withdrawal? Has anyone here titrated off opiates using the combination I describe above?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Mods, I hope this is in the right section. Please feel free to move it if it should be elsewhere. Thanks!

 

[cm0247]

okay, im not going to be able to lay out any kind of schedule for you or anything, but first of all, what you have after the oxy's, is a great supply to get started ween yourself down slowly. now, i don't know what kind of access you have through yourself or friends, but if you can get your hands on any methadone pills or suboxone, in any way shape or form, that will pretty much round out everything you need that's not over the counter... now, there are some potentiates that can help you have a little boost in the process while you're taking the opanas as well. the best potentiates i know of through my own personal experience (im talking about over-the-counter stuff here, as well as tons of information and people to back me up on this on this forum), is first, diphenhydramine (benadryl), cimetidine (tagamet), and the purest, closest to non-processed (pulp) grapefruit juice you can find, and you'll take those with the last of your opiates. and for when you run out of the opanas, and move onto and start leaning more on the benzos, you can also grab yourself (also over-the-counter) some loperamide (immodium), which will help alleviate your withdrawl symptoms, especially if you can't find any methadone or suboxone, which you can also read all about that and research the side effects and dosings compared to tolerances while staying at safe dosages in the loperamide mega-thread.

as for the diphenhydramine (benadryl), i usually take at least 7-8 of them at once with whatever opiate dose im taking at the time, when needed. cimetidine (tagamet), im sure you can find better info on within this forum as well, but i usually take 3-5 of those if im going to be taking them. and as for the grapefruit juice, drink as much as you can, at least 2 or 3 giant glasses of it, bringing you close to or around or a little less than a half of a gallon. and i don't know if you realize or are aware of this, but start of by taking the opana IR's, (i personally would snort/insufflate those, but that's up to you, if you're into that or not) since they're the strongest and will effect you the most through it's bio-availability being so much better. then, onto the extended release opanas. which is sad, because im almost 100% sure you're going to have the new reformulated ones, which have the gel/waxy/gummy abuse deterrent filler formulated into the pill, not only making it so you can't crush it to snort or make it faster acting orally, and sometimes makes the pills undigestible, resulting in less activating and absorbtion of the drug itself in your body... but oh well, it's still better than nothing!

anyways, then you move to the benzos and somas and immodium (loperamide). and also, just be careful with the lope/immodium dosing and do your research, since it can give you bowel impaction (since it's an opiate anti-diarrheal med) if you don't already have it pretty bad with your tolerance and daily opiate usage already... and, lastly, any other benzos and like i said before, methadone &/or suboxone, you can get your hands on, jump for it. the latter two will definitely help the process... and, that's about all the advice I can throw at ya. as for dosages for everything else and tapering schedules and all that, i'll leave for the other posters to come and pitch in their thoughts and advice, but thought i'd give you my two cents on your situation and the info i thought you could use that would give you a little step ahead of where you unsure mind is at right now. well, hope this all helps....

 

[Effect]

I know you want to see for yourself, but with dosages like that just laying around, the chances of becoming a weekend warrior are very slim.

Although I'm not best at creating taper schedules, that's definitely where you should start even if you plan on going the methadone/suboxone route.

 

[Sweet Jane]

okay, im not going to be able to lay out any kind of schedule for you or anything, but first of all, what you have after the oxy's, is a great supply to get started ween yourself down slowly. now, i don't know what kind of access you have through yourself or friends, but if you can get your hands on any methadone pills or suboxone, in any way shape or form, that will pretty much round out everything you need that's not over the counter... now, there are some potentiates that can help you have a little boost in the process while you're taking the opanas as well. the best potentiates i know of through my own personal experience (im talking about over-the-counter stuff here, as well as tons of information and people to back me up on this on this forum), is first, diphenhydramine (benadryl), cimetidine (tagamet), and the purest, closest to non-processed (pulp) grapefruit juice you can find, and you'll take those with the last of your opiates. and for when you run out of the opanas, and move onto and start leaning more on the benzos, you can also grab yourself (also over-the-counter) some loperamide (immodium), which will help alleviate your withdrawl symptoms, especially if you can't find any methadone or suboxone, which you can also read all about that and research the side effects and dosings compared to tolerances while staying at safe dosages in the loperamide mega-thread.

as for the diphenhydramine (benadryl), i usually take at least 7-8 of them at once with whatever opiate dose im taking at the time, when needed. cimetidine (tagamet), im sure you can find better info on within this forum as well, but i usually take 3-5 of those if im going to be taking them. and as for the grapefruit juice, drink as much as you can, at least 2 or 3 giant glasses of it, bringing you close to or around or a little less than a half of a gallon. and i don't know if you realize or are aware of this, but start of by taking the opana IR's, (i personally would snort/insufflate those, but that's up to you, if you're into that or not) since they're the strongest and will effect you the most through it's bio-availability being so much better. then, onto the extended release opanas. which is sad, because im almost 100% sure you're going to have the new reformulated ones, which have the gel/waxy/gummy abuse deterrent filler formulated into the pill, not only making it so you can't crush it to snort or make it faster acting orally, and sometimes makes the pills undigestible, resulting in less activating and absorbtion of the drug itself in your body... but oh well, it's still better than nothing!

anyways, then you move to the benzos and somas and immodium (loperamide). and also, just be careful with the lope/immodium dosing and do your research, since it can give you bowel impaction (since it's an opiate anti-diarrheal med) if you don't already have it pretty bad with your tolerance and daily opiate usage already... and, lastly, any other benzos and like i said before, methadone &/or suboxone, you can get your hands on, jump for it. the latter two will definitely help the process... and, that's about all the advice I can throw at ya. as for dosages for everything else and tapering schedules and all that, i'll leave for the other posters to come and pitch in their thoughts and advice, but thought i'd give you my two cents on your situation and the info i thought you could use that would give you a little step ahead of where you unsure mind is at right now. well, hope this all helps....

Yes, thank you! Excellent information. I know I'm not coming out of this without some discomfort, but you've reiterated my sense that this is doable. Again, thanks! I'm going to start with a couple extended release opana today. I'll see how much opana is necessary to stave off W/Ds, and gradually decrease from that amount.

I'm a little worried about all the grapefruit juice compromising the effectiveness of the benzos. I'm relying on them a lot. So, I may pass for the moment on that. Thanks for the reminder about the immodium though! Yeah, I'll need that, for sure!

So, I'm coming off about 8 oxys yesterday. As I said, I'll start w/10 mg opana to take care of business this morning, then come home and sleep. I'll take benzos and IR Opana this afternoon. I'll make an appt with my doctor to get my script for ambien switched out to soma. She's really cool about things like that, and my pharmacist recommended it, so I think that will be easy enough to do (famous last words!). I hope like hell, I'm off the opana by next weekend, even if I have to endure some discomfort. Like I said, I don't like being part of this opiate culture I've found myself in. Even if I am offered morphine now, I don't think I want it. I may look for norco or something mild, to supplement the opana but I'm just not interested in going back onto the morphine, or doing anything that pulls me back into that ridiculous environment.

Although, an oxy high on weekends will be something nice to look forward to. Assuming I can handle it on weekends only. If I can't, that's gone too, much as I love it. I'm not going to spend over half my life chasing an expensive drug I don't even like because I can't control my oxy dosage. That's all there is to it.

Anyway, lovely message. Thank you so much. Wishing you a wonderful day and week. Your kind words have meant a lot to me

 

[f33lg00d]

"Ready To Go Back to Being a Weekend Warrior" hahaha no

 

[Sweet Jane]

Feeling great. The Soma is incredible. I think I sleep through the worst of the W/Ds. I've been taking 10 mg of extended release opana the last two mornings, and have been supplementing that, throughout the day, with a couple 5 mg vicodan and/or a 5 mg immediate release opana, taken with a ten mg valium. That's it, and I'm coming up on day three without anything else. Zero W/D symptoms, and am feeling really good, actually. The soma is key, I think. I don't know about most people, but even a half a tab will put me to sleep for 20 hours.

So, I pick up about ten 30 mg methadone tomorrow. Two doses per day with a valium will get me through to the weekend painlessly, if past experience is reliable. Then I'm off it all, except soma for insomnia until I pick up my oxy script the first week of December. I fully expect to be functional over the Thanksgiving holidays, and also expect that weekend oxy highs will not result in having to titrate off opiates each week -- especially at the lower dosage I expect to be taking.

It may not work out. I'm fully prepared to stop with the oxy entirely if I can't limit it to the weekends, and remain drug-free throughout the week. So far, the pain is bearable as well, which is amazing to me. I thought that would be hellish. It's not.