RE: What would you do if you were attracted to minors?

[Africanus]

I dont mind a woman in her middle to upper ages. You can get a good convo out of them, they know great moves and some still look damn good. A good example that comes to my mind is Katey Segal

I just find that the younger the girl, the dumber they are (usually). I guess if I see a nice looking girl hanging out at a bus stop or walking past our house as we live near a school I will def. not pass up the opportunity to check her out, but its qwik and then I am onward with my day.

I did end up dating a 14 y.o girl when I moved to a new town in WI when I was 18. I had no clue she was that young, she told me she was 18. My roommate walked in on us being a bit intimate and he was like "Whoa!, dude, I gotta talk to ya."

Get up, walk into his room and he dropped the bombshell that she was only 14 as he had just spoke to her mom because her mom was looking for her daughter. Yup, I took her home ASAP after that. Only thing I told her is that I wish she would have been upfront with me in the beginning. Nobody likes being strung along like that. At least it never got much further than a few kisses and me holding her tight against me. Took me along time to forgive myself of that but my roommate helped by saying that neither of us knew, so there was not a whole lot I could have done, especially if she starts to "set the tone." Its hard to resist a girl who want s to have sex with you. She was pretty too. I still talk to her and have talked to her about it and she apologized and all that noise. I forgave her, shes 22 now. She also had a kid but she does still look good. But I am glad I am where I am at: Married, couple dogs, and a house to ourselves

Glad that nothing serious ever happened night a while ago or I would never ever be able to forgive myself.

That doesn't really make sense to me, I'm not sure I understand.

I think your friend was just jealous and that's why he stopped you.

Me and my girl, a few years back we both had another girl at the same time. She was my girlfriends friend, my girlfriends brothers girlfriend. She was 14 then, it was really good.

 

[llama112]

I don't know how anyone can stand being around a 16 year old girl for longer than 3 minutes. They annoy me just standing in line at the store. lol I have to keep my cool, because I was one of them back in the day. But, as rangrz said, I'm sure it's not about the conversation we're talkin' about here.

Hah, ohh soo true. I personally wouldn't date younger considering I can't stand people that are high school age or younger.

Yep theres a lot of 19 year old girls that look 14-15

One time I meet this girl, she was 22, but she looked 16. Physically theres not much different from 15 year and 23. Most girls are full developed by 14-15. Its just how they do there makeup and how they dress at 23 that makes them look different.

I think your problem is you haven't meet any attrative girls around your age. I notice a lot of girls that get older, they gain weight, wrinkes ets, and they don't take care of themself good, so they look bad. But younger girls are in shape, and look good.

There are plenty of people who are 20+ and look like teens. I'm only 21 and I am always getting carded and stuff, people think I'm like 16, frustrating for me though, lol. But I know some people who are like 28 and they still look like they are 18/19. Not bad! And then they have more "real life experience" and are more intelligent than they were at 18/19.

 

[ChristBait]

I actually feel a little better now after reading these posts. Maybe I'm not such a perverted creep after all. Thanks for justifying my perversions bluelight

 

[twentysix]

It might be that you're insecure with yourself, and since this age group is less "yourself", as are older women, you feel more comfortable focusing here. I am sort of the same... at times. Not that I'm not attracted to girls my age, but I tend to be attracted to girls a couple of years older or younger, but usually not by much. I've traced this to the fact that ... girls my age are just too close to me to begin with. Operating with girls outside of my age (within 2 years either direction or so) I feel less pressure to conform to some... idea of how I'm supposed to be. I feel less insecure.

I've gone through periods, and I can't lie that I have actually gotten a "raging" hard on when a sweet little girl answered a door when I brought a delivery to her house. Sounds sick- I know, but it was her energy. I knew that even as an adult I would probably have this energy with this person. It's not every little girl that I felt this for- and this was like a... 1 out of a million occurrence. Granted my own ideas could have been at play here. I could have been in a weak time, but I genuinely felt that 10 years from now I'd still be attracted to this person. It was her energy. There was a "sweetness" about her. With this observance of my own ... reaction- I remained respectful in thought.

I tend to believe that it's simply our lack of development as a race that makes us fear and demonize certain behaviors. A race (alien) in a different point of development might actually be able to with a level of maturity most in our species can't exact in their lives (therefore the laws in place- we're not perfect! we're very animal!), engage in sexual activity in ways that would be illegal to us... in ways that would make us outcast those who offended our ways. I believe it's possible that somewhere there are those who are "smart enough" to handle it without getting like "omg it's SEX" about it. This is not to say that I believe that humans should be doing this. But Norwegians, I take it their age is 12? While I believe this is too young for safety reasons (it's not good for a 12 year old in most cases to give birth), Norway isn't exactly known as a non-civilized, dangerous place for anyone to be. People often admire the Nordic-Scandinavian peoples. They're often some bright folk, too, apparently (or so that's the image that I've caught, the stereotype.).

In our society it would do more harm than good. There are a number of reasons why our laws are into place. While we aren't cookie-cutter people, we also can't be perfect in the ways that we keep ourselves ordered... and we need to compromise. Sometimes the compromise doesn't work but in the majority of cases it does. One girl (or boy) is mature enough to handle sex at a young age... at least as mature as many adults at age 15-16... or even younger... but another, and many others might not be. They with their sprouting selves might not be able to contain themselves- might easier contract diseases, as it's apparently not as common for kids to want to use condoms anymore (or was at a point recently)... they're just lacking maturity to handle it safely, so just like I agree with no sex before marriage, because from experience I would have rather waited until I found my one mate (If I were perfect), to have perfect, non-condom sex and play with her... I believe that we should for ourselves screen our mates and selves with them well, and abide by these guidelines- or find reasons to.

Anyway. The law here isn't what's "right", it's just what generally works for the right, for most situations currently.. so I guess... don't get too down on yourself. Don't let the world decide for you what's right and what's wrong. Admire the beauty of these girls at this ages. The beauty of life- respectfully. Observe yourself, pat yourself on the back, your higher self to your child-animal. Smile.


I'm wondering just how your entire family and everyone else finds it obvious your lust for younger people? Can you not control yourself? While I did justify much of the deep desires... for me.. I haven't justified your level. Have they directly voiced distrust for you? (are you just being paranoid?)

 

[debaser]

Nah teenage girls are the shit, gentlemen.

 

[J.Wallace]

Nothing wrong with being attracted to teenage girls. Age is just a number, it doesn't really exist. Nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to some one, regardless of age. It's perfectly natural. It only becomes a problem when you take action against those feelings and try to get with a girl who is not an age of consent yet. I'm 20 years old, I'm still attracted to 13 and 14 year old girls, but I find them so fucking annoying nowadays. So immature!

For fucks sake, you could be attracted to animals, who is to say that is right or wrong other than yourself? It's just these ideas of what normal is that society puts on itself. We are our own worst enemy, really. Not one person on this earth can say what is truly right or wrong, because those things don't exist. It's up to the person to determine what is right or wrong, on their own terms.

 

[aveoturbo]

That doesn't really make sense to me, I'm not sure I understand.

I think your friend was just jealous and that's why he stopped you.

Me and my girl, a few years back we both had another girl at the same time. She was my girlfriends friend, my girlfriends brothers girlfriend. She was 14 then, it was really good.

No, she was def. underage. I talked to her sister and her mom afterwards (not about what happened, just general talk and slyly slipped it in about her age). My roommate also had his gf over at the time and they were doing their own thing.

Like I said tho, the girl and I talked it out and we moved on. No harm done. She has a wonderful fiance who treats her good, a beautiful lil baby and she is in a university.

 

[ugly]

christ:

You have said too much to someone, and now they suspect you are at risk for possibly illegal behaviors with a minor. That bothers me more than your attraction because as the last two pages have shown, A HOT YOUNG BABE IS A HOT YOUNG BABE!

I have seen more than one teacher get burned to the ground because A HOT YOUNG BABE IS A HOT YOUNG BABE!

The most recent example:There was another English teacher in my department that the other English teachers were always mentioning because he was 30, married, a one year old baby, had just bought his first home, and life was getting good, finally. The 30 year old English teacher was also a amazing looking man. Blonde/blue/teeth/muscles/tan/...........this man was probably desired to a greater or lesser degree by every hetro female teacher at the school.

A mousy little 10th grader (15) surprised everybody by taking him down completely, dismantling his family, his career, and his dreams for his future. It turns out that underneath the baggie clothes and the attitude and the chewed fingernails was a BANGING body.

She got naked after class is what I was told and he couldn't stop himself. The paper in my town never mentioned it. The paper in my town is always full of either ok stuff that they report as awesome, or empty of important stuff because whoever is in charge around here thinks it's Pleasantville. I knew it because I knew and know him. He got fired and his credential was pulled. And only people who knew him knew why.

Knowing how much it was going to cost if he got caught, his defense was that when she dropped her clothes to the ground, he was hitting it before he knew it.

I had at least one favorite student in each class every year, that just pleased me by walking in the classroom. My senior football players, who really hated English, received better grades from me than they earned, because I loved looking at those guys. I didn't fuck any one of them but I got laid off anyway so maybe I should have just been going from lap to lap my whole fucking career.

I hate the system. Don't feel bad for thinking young flesh is wonderful. Young flesh is definitely wonderful.

 

[Lysis]

Nothing wrong with being attracted to teenage girls. Age is just a number, it doesn't really exist. Nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to some one, regardless of age. It's perfectly natural. It only becomes a problem when you take action against those feelings and try to get with a girl who is not an age of consent yet. I'm 20 years old, I'm still attracted to 13 and 14 year old girls, but I find them so fucking annoying nowadays. So immature!

For fucks sake, you could be attracted to animals, who is to say that is right or wrong other than yourself? It's just these ideas of what normal is that society puts on itself. We are our own worst enemy, really. Not one person on this earth can say what is truly right or wrong, because those things don't exist. It's up to the person to determine what is right or wrong, on their own terms.

Ahhh, young idealistic philosophy. Totally wrong and naive, but oh so typical.

 

[J.Wallace]

Ahhh, young idealistic philosophy. Totally wrong and naive, but oh so typical.

How is my view on this "Totally wrong and naive"?

 

[freddy47]

How is my view on this "Totally wrong and naive"?

Because it is. Because at some point you got to draw a line and say that something is wrong. Moral relativism is all well and good but some things should just be universally agreed upon as being immoral. Having sex with a child or having sexual urges for children for example is wrong. You could argue all day that well morality is made up and there is no such thing as right and wrong and so on and so forth but that doesn't change anything.

It only becomes a problem when you take action against those feelings

This statement contradicts the rest of your post. If...

Not one person on this earth can say what is truly right or wrong, because those things don't exist.

then why stop at not taking action? Why not just go out and rape every attractive girl you see? After all right and wrong don't exist so why should a person limit oneself at all?

 

[Africanus]

How is my view on this "Totally wrong and naive"?

Na you've got the right idea.

Morals are subjective creatures, so no one can definitely say one thing is right and something else wrong.
I reckon as long as you don't hurt anyone else by your actions, they are fine.

But even hurting others is not actually wrong, because right and wrong don't exist, I just think its a good idea not to hurt others.

 

[Africanus]

Because it is. Because at some point you got to draw a line and say that something is wrong. Moral relativism is all well and good but some things should just be universally agreed upon as being immoral. Having sex with a child for example is wrong. You could argue all day that well morality is made up and there is no such thing as right and wrong and so on and so forth but that doesn't change anything.

Prove that anything is wrong?

 

[Africanus]

- its wrong!

- why is it wrong, how do you know?

- because it harms children ffs.

- why is harming children wrong?

- because harming is wrong.

- that's a circular argument, your saying that something is wrong, because it's wrong!

 

[freddy47]

Prove that anything is wrong?

You've got me all wrong man. I agree with Baruch Spinoza when he said that nothing is inherently good or evil. I think morals are something that came out of mans evolution to help us better survive this world by not having us be at each others throats all the time. I think at one point one of our ancestors stopped and said hey maybe killing each other might not be such a good idea which led to laws and so on and so forth.

My reasoning is that humanity often needs a clearly defined line between good and evil. Otherwise morality breaks down and you will have chaos. Having sex with children for example is something that is rightly taboo in most cultures as is rape and incest. Why? Because of the idea of moral consensus. I think you would agree that universally murder is considered wrong but why? Its one of those question where when asked a person can only say "well because..." and shrug and assume the matters dropped. Which leads me to this...

- its wrong!

- why is it wrong, how do you know?

- because it harms children ffs.

- why is harming children wrong?

- because harming is wrong.

- that's a circular argument, your saying that something is wrong, because it's wrong!

(Kind of an overly simplistic breakdown of my argument but whatevs.) Not if one ceases to see morality as completely subjective. To quote the American Buddhist monk Bhikkhu Bodhi ""By assigning value and spiritual ideals to private subjectivity, the materialistic world view ... threatens to undermine any secure objective foundation for morality. The result is the widespread moral degeneration that we witness today. To counter this tendency, mere moral exhortation is insufficient. If morality is to function as an efficient guide to conduct, it cannot be propounded as a self-justifying scheme but must be embedded in a more comprehensive spiritual system which grounds morality in a transpersonal order. Religion must affirm, in the clearest terms, that morality and ethical values are not mere decorative frills of personal opinion, not subjective superstructure, but intrinsic laws of the cosmos built into the heart of reality."

Although I am an atheist I can say that he has a point. But what is good? Plato and his Socrates in the Republic stated that it is the greatest study. It is not entirely knowable but yet without it no other knowledge is of any real use. But regardless of what it is we must try and define it and that definition is ever changing. To simply say it doesn't exist is to dismiss thousands of years of philosophical pursuit that dates back to Socrates and Plato. But being as this is not the proper place to discuss philosophy I will leave it at that.

Come to this thread if you wish to continue this discussion.

 

[J.Wallace]

Because it is. Because at some point you got to draw a line and say that something is wrong. Moral relativism is all well and good but some things should just be universally agreed upon as being immoral. Having sex with a child or having sexual urges for children for example is wrong. You could argue all day that well morality is made up and there is no such thing as right and wrong and so on and so forth but that doesn't change anything.



This statement contradicts the rest of your post. If... then why stop at not taking action? Why not just go out and rape every attractive girl you see? After all right and wrong don't exist so why should a person limit oneself at all?

The thing is right and wrong do exist, but only in our own reality. We ultimately determine what is right or wrong. Or we can allow others, such as society, to decide for us. I choose to decide for myself.

Also, I don't want to give off the impression that I'm for people who are sexually attracted to young girls, particularly Preteens. That is something I'm very much against. But once they reach 14, maybe even 13 years old I firmly believe they have reached a point in life where they are mature enough to make those type of decisions for themselves. If they want to hook up with a 21 year old guy, they are old enough to understand the positives and negatives in doing so.

 

[freddy47]

The thing is right and wrong do exist, but only in our own reality. We ultimately determine what is right or wrong. Or we can allow others, such as society, to decide for us. I choose to decide for myself.

Being that this reality is the one we are currently experiencing and therefore the only one that matters at the moment I fail to see your point. Also since we have determined what is right and wrong we have effectively willed these ideas into existence. We live with these ideas of right and wrong with every decision we make and it plays a major role in our lives every day. So any argument against them existing is pointless.

 

[munki]

But once they reach 14, maybe even 13 years old I firmly believe they have reached a point in life where they are mature enough to make those type of decisions for themselves. If they want to hook up with a 21 year old guy, they are old enough to understand the positives and negatives in doing so.

When I was 13 I definitely thought I wanted to have sex; didn't actually happen until I was 16. I would not say I was in any way mature enough to make any decision regarding sex and intimacy, especially with someone who was significantly older than me. Young teenage girls are very easily manipulated, especially because they have so many hormones raging which makes for years long temporary insanity. A 21 year old should know better than to hook up with a 13 year old.

I was an complete idiot girl for years, even past the age of 21. I am so grateful that I never went down the path of having sex with guys when I was as young as 13 or 14, and that my high school boyfriend was incredibly responsible to use condoms every time we had sex. If I had been more promiscuous with different guys then, I could have easily been a knocked up teenager.

I also question the maturity and mentality of guys who are attracted to such young girls. An easy lay with some naive nubile young thing, versus having a real relationship with a woman who could be his peer speaks multitudes.

 

[Lysis]

I also question the maturity and mentality of guys who are attracted to such young girls. An easy lay with some naive nubile young thing, versus having a real relationship with a woman who could be his peer speaks multitudes.

It's easy for them, and they can have sex with no real responsibilities. This is why women with female kids have to be careful, because the disgusting pedos take advantage. It's a pure, primal urge that doesn't go beyond sticking a penis into a vagina. The relative "Oh, it's just an age" is indicative of someone trying to validate it, because they want to (ironically) tell themselves it's ok....well, or they are completely devoid of any real maturity and thought process.

 

[freddy47]

When I was 13 I definitely thought I wanted to have sex; didn't actually happen until I was 16. I would not say I was in any way mature enough to make any decision regarding sex and intimacy, especially with someone who was significantly older than me. Young teenage girls are very easily manipulated, especially because they have so many hormones raging which makes for years long temporary insanity. A 21 year old should know better than to hook up with a 13 year old.

I was an complete idiot girl for years, even past the age of 21. I am so grateful that I never went down the path of having sex with guys when I was as young as 13 or 14, and that my high school boyfriend was incredibly responsible to use condoms every time we had sex. If I had been more promiscuous with different guys then, I could have easily been a knocked up teenager.

I also question the maturity and mentality of guys who are attracted to such young girls. An easy lay with some naive nubile young thing, versus having a real relationship with a woman who could be his peer speaks multitudes.

True that. I do think that it is indeed natural to be attracted to younger girls. But just because its natural does not mean its right. 13 year olds are still essentially children IMO whether they are male or female and like you said are easily manipulated.