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RC absorbed through skin?

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Never mind Nichols, do you know who Nick Sand is? I can say with some degree of certainty that he has been around and handled alot more LSD than you (unless you were involved in the manufacture of massive quantities).

A simple explanation I would offer for people seemingly getting high by simply touching LSD would be that they unknowingly touched their face and mouth shortly after handling the acid. We humans tend to do that extremely frequently.
 
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I thought with a thumbprint you were supposed to lick your fingers?

But yeah, you touch your face/mouth how many times per day? 3,000-4,000. That's probably how you got effects, even if you made it a chase not to touch your face (humans are prone to error). I'd trust Nichols and Nick Sand more on this subject than any other person, especially some random bloke on the internet.


(Btw, can anyone please explain why the hell this escalated? It's a thread about transdermal drugs for Christ sake, if someone disagrees then so be it...)
 
I barely ever touch my face. I noticed the habit and made a point to stop. Yayyy me.
 
I don't think there are drugs that would make you trip from brief handling of blotter, something else is probably going on - some kind of accidental ingestion, not necessarily through the skin.

Mods: please can we do something about the fact that this forum is overrun by these kind of threads? Can't we merge them all into a "big and dandy if you don't trust it's LSD, don't buy it" thread?

I created such a thing recently, not like the announcement-type of thread title you propose but rather about research chemicals on blotter and how to approach the situation of having untrusted blotters (but with keeping the no direct IDing speculation rule in mind): http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/498199-The-Big-amp-Dandy-Research-Chemicals-on-Blotters-Thread

But I don't really want to merge this thread into that one.
 
Maybe some of these B&Ds should be stickied? I.E topics that have their own thread, but get constantly posted as new ones. IMO the current situation creates unnecessary discussion, when most of these issues could be answered in 1 or 2 posts like they mostly do in the B&D threads. I know that at least a whole bunch of people don't read the threads in your sig or use the search function.

Not that it's my call, but a little suggestion anyhow


What 23: Yeah but people do this subconsciously, and I believe there was a certain function to it as well though I don't remember
 
Just to add that we can do nothing if we aren't aware a thread exists. If nobody reports it then we might not notice it at all.

Please don't post comments which bait another user but add nothing to the discussion. All academic research suggests that no psychedelics are transdermally active in typical circumstances but some anecdotal reports suggest otherwise. I think that's a stalemate because obviously no-one can disprove anecdotes and hearsay.

I am only going to leave this open because for once the off topic discussion has constructive potential.
 
I don't thing you stop ppl asking but I do think making that botter thread a sticky is a good ide
 
Maybe it's not active transdermally, but if you handle enough LSD it's active in such low doses that you probably will end up ingesting some, particularly with a concentrated liquid or crystal....if you took every precaustion to make sure this didn't happen it probably wouldn't, but if you rip up several sheets of LSD without gloves and smoke weed or cigarettes while you're doing it with your bare hands, chances are you'll end up getting enough in your system to "feel it"!

And the process of putting a gram onto blotter, if you even go near the crystal you'll probably end up insanely high.....I definitely wouldn't test it by touching that shit!...when dosed that way it causes vomiting or even black outs.....

Most liquid LSD would usually just be wash that was rinsed from whatever you were using to lay the blotters in, and that's done by just basically rinsing the tray and saving the liquid.....but you can make liquid by just dissolving 20 mgs of the straight crystal in solution and using a syringe to put it in a breath drop bottle...Again, I wouldn't test the transdermal theory using that shit either....

but for all intents and purposes it's unlikely that just handling LSD wlll get you high most of the time...I'll agree with that
 
My source IS a trustable source. He admitted to me he wasn't sure if the blotters we really LSD or not and he hadn't been able to try them yet. Regardless of whether I absorbed some through my skin or if I inadvertently touched my nose or mouth the point is that I somehow got enough of it in me to be above threshold dosage with the blotter still intact. I am one-hundred percent sure the effect was not placebo. I am fairly well read on RC and my confusion comes from I cannot think of a single chemical (not even LSD) that would be able to cause that reaction at such micro-doses(whatever rubbed off the blotter).
 
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Well if its active in what rubs of the blotter
A whole blotter must be a hunfred times stronger
 
My source IS a trustable source. He admitted to me he wasn't sure if the blotters we really LSD or not and he hadn't been able to try them yet. Regardless of whether I absorbed some through my skin or if I inadvertently touched my nose or mouth the point is that I somehow got enough of it in me to be above threshold dosage with the blotter still intact. I am one-hundred percent sure the effect was not placebo. I am fairly well read on RC and my confusion comes from I cannot think of a single chemical (not even LSD) that would be able to cause that reaction at such micro-doses(whatever rubbed off the blotter).

That's all very well but then my answer is still: I do not know of a compound other than LSD that is reported to be absorbable through skin and trying to guess what happened is partially ID discussion and for the other part it is a mystery regarding how you handle your chemicals and allowed this to happen.
For argument's sake I would say: give me a security tape and we may try to find some behavior that explains accidental dosing. But whatever you did, apparently you were not careful to keep the drugs out of your body and like other people said there is no way that briefly touching a normally dosed blotter leads to a trip.
Think about it, people would be tripping all the time! How many people do you think handle their chems like you do? Either your opinion is that you are relatively careful, in that case this would have to happen to a lot of people. Or your opinion is that you are relatively careless, in that case asking us what you did seems a bit strange.

Ask yourself.

There is a good chance you do not know because the reason is that you did something strange and was not aware of your behavior or mistake. If you did not register it, it will be hard to recall.
Next time just be careful.
That seems like a better thing to do than waiting in this thread (possibly until the end of time) until someone chances to guess something you did with a certain chemical that matches your memory.

Maybe some of these B&Ds should be stickied? I.E topics that have their own thread, but get constantly posted as new ones. IMO the current situation creates unnecessary discussion, when most of these issues could be answered in 1 or 2 posts like they mostly do in the B&D threads. I know that at least a whole bunch of people don't read the threads in your sig or use the search function.

Not that it's my call, but a little suggestion anyhow

We'll take it under advisement but threads are stickified only if we really feel that we need to, too many stickies clutter the forum's first page. FYI.
 
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No I agree. I find it horribly annoying when a forum has a thousand stickies before the messages start, but a few threads wouldn't hurt right? The NBOMe, 4-Aco-DMT and MXE threads are mostly on the first page anyhow, but for example that RC on blotter thread is not, so new users are likely to never see it.
 
^I could give a fuck.....I went to prison for dealing LSD in 90s, in the days before RCs and massive festivals and 'raves"......I love it when people try to cite academic evidence to contradict things I've actually seen IRL!

So go read "PIKHAL" or "TIKHAL" or whatever the fuck other reading material you think makes you an authority on psychedelic drugs...

and there is no "age card".....I happened to have been involved with LSD at a time and in a place that allowed me to have extensive experience with it for a few years, so anything I say is coming from real life....

I didn't make any outrageous claims here, but it amazes me how no matter how simply I try to explain something in my posts, there's always some douchebag like "NA ahhh! Na ahhh....you're wrong because this says this!!! bla bla bla bla blah!"


I am a pretty large David Nicholas fan... But im gonna have to agree with you here.... Ive laid a little in my life and I was high as a fucking bird no ingestion, all through my fingers.

Also tearing WOW at shows gets me going....

I dont have any scientific evidence here but its incredibly possible.

I have even had friends that grabbed a magic card of WOW and sold it within a couple hours at a show without ingesting one, and the specific friend said it was one of his best LSD trips all he did was tear the sheets never took a tab.

I would say both RCs and LSD-25 can produce that effect if touched for long enough but it would need to be wicked powerful
Sounds like something you SHOULDENT take or give your girlfriend if it is that powerful and un identified
 
Like I said, you touch your face on average 3000-4000 times per day. It's very likely that you ingested it accidentally. Or maybe a little bit LSD got airborne and you inhaled it, I dunno if that is possible but just an idea. I'm trying to say that just because you felt something, it doesn't mean it actually got there through your skin.
 
Ima take this oppurtunity to share what I learned as a pawn in the 90s Grateful Dead LSD game, it's been a good 12 years since I sold a single hit so whatever!

First off, having access to good, pure LSD and distributing it to other people says nothing about how "enlightened you are", how "cool" you are or any other of that happy horseshit! A lot of the people I knew in my younger years who were "Dead Family" who had access to tons of LSD were just drug dealers seeking to profit like anyone else....

The spiritual, enlightening aspect of LSD is in the LSD itself, a monkey could sell good LSD given the oppurtunity!

At first, I happened to meet people who had LSD by going to certain shows....I liked LSD and became a regular customer. As time passed, I became more involved with theser people and eventually, at the age of 17, I was given 100 hits of blotter acid at a time to sell....

They gave me about a week to sell off what I had and give them the pre-determined amount of cash, whatever extra there was beyond that, I kept for myself.....Pretty standard drug-dealing shit....

As time went on, I met more and more people, and eventually it got to the point that I was getting 1000 hits of blotter(ten-pack, book) LSD fronted to me every month or so....

The person giving this to me was being fronted 10,000 hits by somebody else who was acting as an intermediary for the person actually putting the crystal LSD onto blotter....

Beyond that, whoever he actually got the crystal from, I don't think anybody knew for sure.....

It came to where, I personally knew the guy who was laying the blotter, but it was understood that I was to never mention to him at all....but he knew that I knew and indirectly, by distributing these things, I was making all these people a good amount of money....I thought they were the shit! At the time, I was between 18-22, the person actually giving me the acid was in his mid 20s and the guy actually laying the LSD was in his 40s....

That's a little backstory.....

What I really wanna mention.....and I never synthesized LSD, but I met a few people in my travels through the people who gave me LSD that were involved with the manafacture of LSD....

Anyway.....There's all this shit about "white fluff" and "amber" and "Czech" and "needlepoint", all these different kinds of LSD supposedly manufactured by different groups...

From what I was told, this is completely wrong....

Supposedly, when LSD is manufactured in mass quantities, in the end you end up with a beaker(or whatever) of fluid....The shit on the very top is called "white fluff", it's pretty much pure LSD, under that the solution gets gradually darker.....The next level is called "silver".....the next level "amber"

It's like salad dressing, it kind of settles into layers, the further toward the bottom the more shit other than LSD is in the solution!

Thing is, and you chemistry guys would know better than me, the shit that's left in the solution other than LSD....some of it is still "active".....and the deeper down you go, the more "sediment" there is and the more of this by-product ends up in the LSD you get....and the more of this shit there is in the blotter you take, the more likely you're gonna experience as being "dirty"....

One last thing....all "needlepoint" is, is the dried, crystallized top layer of the final LSD solution dried, put back into solution and used as a super concentrated liquid LSD, or dropped one dose at a time onto a medium(blotter, sugar cubes, starburst candies whatever) with a syringe.....

It's so concentrated, it literally only take a minute droplet at the end of a syringe to get you spun beyond fucking belief! Hence the name, "needlepoint"....

Sorry if I rambled here, I'm no chemist, I'm juat trying to share what I know of LSD, sorry if this is the wrong place to do it....
 
I would have thought that LSD chemists knew how too purify their end product? and put too much pride in their work to not do it. it's a pretty basic part of synthesizing a compound, especially considering that nothing is gained by not making a final cleaning up of the product! Except it taking up more volume to make it active.

Also, precisely what impure leftovers from the LSD synthesis are supposed make the LSD feel "dirty"? Non of them are psycho active.

You think you know everything about LSD because some guy told you that? There's so my urban legends and stories going around that it's hilarious. And no, your not right just because your a 36 year old deadhead who went to prison for peddling acid. That's the worst argument EVER.
 
It's like salad dressing, it kind of settles into layers, the further toward the bottom the more shit other than LSD is in the solution!

Thing is, and you chemistry guys would know better than me,
In the nicest way possibly possible, I think the chemistry should be left to the chemists. Please do not take this personally but the layering effect is not something that occurs in chemistry and as a chemist there is every incentive to mislead people about your process and product. There is no disincentive because unfortunately there are so few people involved with distribution who have a good grasp of basic ochem, let alone the low degree level needed to have some familiarity with the process, so nobody knows enough to call them out.

Just realised this is straying rather off topic and into the grey area of purification discussion - I hear that's a gateway to synthesis! I really don't feel that the anecdotes vs literature can make any progress here and we know far to little about OP's case to say anything for sure so I'm going to close this thread.
 
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