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Rave without ecstasy?

Raves aren't fun, you really mean that? Wow! First time I've heard that... Why don't you think they are fun?
 
Raves arent fun if you go to a rave and expect the rave to do something to entertain you.

You have to *be* the rave if you want to get anything out of it.

First rave I ever went to I didnt really know what was up, just knew that some guy that had a crush on me took me to a weird party with "techno". Didnt even know that it was what was called a "rave". I was completely bored out of my mind because I was to shy to dance, didnt really know anyone that well, and no one gave me any drugs (which I probably would have turned down at the time anyways)

Fuckin sucked.

4 years later going to a party and dancing my ass off till I am physically exhausted to the point where my body refuses to move any more is the most fun I've ever had.
 
Unfortunatly this is how many people think. I suppose its the addictive quality of wanting the experiance. You know how good it would feel, so you ultimatly have to do it. Still, it always suprises me how many sober people are at parties.

Ive been to some blinders and only got a little drunk, i suppose thats more the social situation with your mates.
 
purplefirefly said:
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Maybe it was boring for you because you weren't into the type of music that they were playing. Actually I think that it was because you went there with the expectation that everyone was going to be high and you were not.

I hope that you aren't saying that electronic music cannot be appreciated unless you are under the influence of drugs 8)
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i enjoy electronic music.

now that i recall it, i attended with someone in recovery. helping him sell jewelry. we wound giving away most of it.

perhaps the party i attended was hardcore. everyone was rolling. we were the odd ones out.

it isn't a negative...
 
Crankinit said:
If you can't enjoy a party without taking pills, you should probably question why you're going in the first place.
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coulldnt of said it better myself
 
Electronic music is a product of Ecstasy! (isn't this fact?)
Raves are all about e, this can't be denied... (can it?)
I will never goto a rave without being on E
So thinking you must have a problem if you can't resist but to take E at a rave doesn't really make sense to me...
To me... "Rave=Ecstasy"
 
purplefirefly said:
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I agree with the two above.

I sort of see raves like any other type of concert, you are there to enjoy the music. I wouldn't go see my favorite band and be bummed because I wasn't drunk or high, it really shouldn't be any different with raves.

If there is a DJ that you really like why would you have less appreciation for him/her just because you aren't high.
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I must admit that the activation of the sensitivity that lets those bass waves tickle you soooo good is one reason I feel I am more able to 'fully-experience' the music. I raved sober quite a bit earlier in my career; but once I became semi-connected I always know at least one friend that's got an excuse to pill tonight and one person pilling is enough excuse for another to join. It's not that I appreciate the music and less when I am sober and unaffected by psychoactives (I normally dance harder for longer when sober); but when I am offered a donut I find it hard to turn down free 'sprinkles'. Just makes the donut that much more flavorful.

I know I don't post on BL much anymore, and I'm kinda playing the devil's advocate here; but this is an issue I'd love to hear feedback on. Most of my friends feel the same way....and many a night I leave with plans to eat a cake donut when a friend with sprinkles in his asks me to join him.... I just tend to feel that the full (120%, audio, *physical*, *visual*, *social*) environment of a rave is most fully experienced with the tool of psychedelic compounds. IMHO, ravers are pretty much just hippies with computers and cell phones. Thoughts?
 
Meh, IMO, there's no point to raves without rolling. The whole rave environment is conducive to being on E, and if I'm not rolling then I'd rather be somewhere with music I like sober. :P
 
I think you def need to roll to have the amazing experience at a rave. Like of course its about the music, the fun, the dancing, the lights, and the people.

Now sober? I don't go around bumping techno in my car day to day, I listen to rap or whatever else, but not really techno. But when rolling, damn right I'm bumping some sick ass Electronic music. BEcause of the drug, and the drug and techno goes hand in hand.

So being sober, lights are cool i guess, you can be friendly i guess, dancing can be fun kinda.. and music sounds good but not like WHOA.

Ecstasy is used to heighten every aspect of a rave 10 times to make it like HEAVEN, compared to kinda cool.
 
Sandbag said:
I must admit that the activation of the sensitivity that lets those bass waves tickle you soooo good is one reason I feel I am more able to 'fully-experience' the music. I raved sober quite a bit earlier in my career; but once I became semi-connected I always know at least one friend that's got an excuse to pill tonight and one person pilling is enough excuse for another to join. It's not that I appreciate the music and less when I am sober and unaffected by psychoactives (I normally dance harder for longer when sober); but when I am offered a donut I find it hard to turn down free 'sprinkles'. Just makes the donut that much more flavorful.

I know I don't post on BL much anymore, and I'm kinda playing the devil's advocate here; but this is an issue I'd love to hear feedback on. Most of my friends feel the same way....and many a night I leave with plans to eat a cake donut when a friend with sprinkles in his asks me to join him.... I just tend to feel that the full (120%, audio, *physical*, *visual*, *social*) environment of a rave is most fully experienced with the tool of psychedelic compounds. IMHO, ravers are pretty much just hippies with computers and cell phones. Thoughts?
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I see where you are coming from and I don't deny that mdma has the ability to enhance music or to enhance the experience of a rave. The question I have is, why are people attending raves when they don't like electronic music? Is it because it's "cool" to be at a rave on pills pretending to like trance or any other variation of electronic music? If that's the case then that's pretty lame.

Pills can allow you to have a greater appreciation for something that you already appreciate, but they shouldn't be the only determining factor. You shouldn't "have" to be on pills to appreciate the artistic ability of the people who produce electronic sounds.

I find it kind of scary that people "need" a drug to have fun at an event, whether it be a concert, rave, club...etc. Why do people feel they "need" drugs just to have fun?
 
nathanp said:
I think you def need to roll to have the amazing experience at a rave. Like of course its about the music, the fun, the dancing, the lights, and the people.

Now sober? I don't go around bumping techno in my car day to day, I listen to rap or whatever else, but not really techno. But when rolling, damn right I'm bumping some sick ass Electronic music. BEcause of the drug, and the drug and techno goes hand in hand.

So being sober, lights are cool i guess, you can be friendly i guess, dancing can be fun kinda.. and music sounds good but not like WHOA.

Ecstasy is used to heighten every aspect of a rave 10 times to make it like HEAVEN, compared to kinda cool.
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I play techno music in my car, in my house, if i am working out....and many other instances as well. I listen to techno every single day of my life. It's one of my favorite genres of music, among many others.

Why don't you bump techno when you are sober?
 
purplefirefly said:
..I find it kind of scary that people "need" a drug to have fun at an event, whether it be a concert, rave, club...etc. Why do people feel they "need" drugs just to have fun?
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It's called drug addiciton %)

..and its NOT fun
 
I don't think anyones going to say that being on something isnt going to enhance your experience, but at the same time it seems pretty off to me to suggest that a rave is "supposed" to be nothing but an ecstasy fest.

I love the scene where I am because so many of the people care so much more about the music then just having a place to do drugs.
 
I think the problem here is two conflicting mindsets. You have one group of people who enjoy electronic music, who go to parties to enjoy the music they love, to socialize and to enjoy the vibe. They'll still do drugs, often quite heavily, but the focus isn't on the drugs, they're just there to enhance what would be a good time regardless.

On the other hand, you have people who view the party as nothing more than a tool to enhance the MDMA experience. Instead of using drugs to enhance the party, they view the entire party as nothing more than conducive to their drug use.

The lines are also very blurry. Drugs and the dance scene have always gone hand in hand, and a lot of people become involved in the scene for one and then find themselves immersed in the other half of it.

Personally, I think I fall somewhere inbetween, like most people. I love electronic music, it consists of a good 80% or so of the music I listen to, if an artist is playing that I want to see I'll go out and enjoy it, drugs or no drugs.

However, I think drug use really takes it to a whole other level. To me the scene is about, more than anything else, the dancefloor. That moment at 4:30 in the morning when you're hot and sweaty and you've journeyed through an amazing night and you're in a crowded dark room with lights flashing and the music is driving you further and further. It's about reaching a state of mind where you can forget about everything else and just completely lose yourself in the moment, immerse yourself in the intensity of it all. Sometimes you I lose sight of that, but sooner or later there's always 'that moment' that reminds me why I got into this whole thing.

Drugs and the scene go hand in hand because drugs can help drive you towards that place you want to be, the music will open the path and help you drift down it, but sometimes a pill or a tab or a line is just what you need to give you that extra kick down the road towards reaching that moment.

Like I said the first time, I quite honestly think that anyone who can't enjoy the scene without drugs should strongly question why they're there. Sure, if you want to do drugs, do drugs, but if the drug is the only thing thats making you go from 'this is fucking lame' to 'OMG BEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE,' then you'd probably be better off getting off tap somewhere else. It's not 'omg fuck off out of our scene,' I just don't understand why you'd go and waste all this time and effort on something you only enjoy because the drugs make you enjoy it.
 
well i dont quite go to "raves" but i do go to rolling gettys sober and i must tell you i hate it! the minute i walk in through the door and see that the lights are off and the music pounding in the back ground and seeing all the light toys gets me anxious and i feel like i just popped a roll and i feel like im coming up because i guess my brain is so used to being in that enviroment and rolling everytime im in it. i even get nausea sometimes. and im sober and havent even taken a pill!
 
Eis4Jimmy said:
Just wondering if anyone has ever been to a rave without taking anything and remaining totally sober... whilst on ecstasy a rave is perfect but whats it like to be at one without being on it??? Anyone out there know? Is it weird? Does everyone look like freaks!?
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"whilst on ecstasy" haha.. why cant u just write while ...

Ive been sober at a party before.. If you truly enjoy the music.. and love to dance sober or not.. youll have a good time.. and of course everyone looks fucked.. cuz they are.. anyways
 
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