rank opiates compared to bupe

[benzos4breakfast]

Ive only just been starting to try out bupe recrationally Im just wondering how euphoric it can be against other opiates.

Im going to right what I think that most commonly used opiates would be ranked from best to worst so I can compare them to bupe.

1. Heroin
2. Ocydone
3. Morphine
3. Tramadol (I wrote this one because i think it feels similar & cant really decide if I like it better.
4. Buprenorphine
5. Codeine

which is better btw. oxy, or morphine. I read this somewhere along the line & wanna know it it souds right.
morphine is better than oxy when IVed
oxy it better the morphine when taken orally.

After knowing this info Id like to figure out which is more recreational:
IV morphine
IV oxycodone

When IVed it'll make there BAs about the same so it would be easier to determine.
My best is on morphine.
btw i wanna try a 2mg of less of bupe tomorrow but since Ive had 16mg of bupe togight that would mean when opiate receptors would still be saturated making the norbupe less active

anyone know if 2mg will do anything to my after havnig 16mg today?

I shit i just remembered after posting this ofcourse that they're is a bupe megathread. I think my other questions were sent there too. sorry mods. Now u have to go to the effort o moving it.

If also been trying out to whether bupe has a dose curb where as u raise the dose the effects raise slower & slower & untill 32mg when the effect wont raise anymore even if u take a higer dose

 

[Pjkt2501]

IV BA is 100% - and is what the other figures are based off of.

Overall, that list is a bit short, but also highly subjective. I wouldn't put Tramadol anywhere near there; with an opiate tolerance pre-existing, the only thing you're going to feel is the SNRI. Just pop an effexor, basically. Heroin quality is also all over the chart, regardless of location it seems.

Morphine is best for analgesia, at the right dose. The reason for oxy / hydrocodone, is to reduce peripheral side effects and also be more powerful (not always more effective however.

Now here's another issue: buprenorphine is only a partial agonist, not full. A metabolite of its - norbuprenorphine - is a full antagonist; and thus actually produces some euphoria. The only way to allow the norbupe to attach to any receptors, is to keep below 2mg / day. Otherwise, bupe will saturate your u-opioid receptors and no more euphoria. In this sense, it's only allowed to be weak.. however it DOES last a while if it works for you.

I have no knowledge of the IV comparisons. Just take note that shooting pills is extremely dangerous for a number of reasons. Check over in OD (Other Drugs) for a plethora of information on IV-everything.

 

[benzos4breakfast]

I still dont feel my main questions were answered sorry but I'll be sure not to IV bupe

i also just said I already know that less than 2mg keeps the metabolite norbupe more active which is more recreational than bupe.


^^^yes i want to try a dose under 2mg or less. Problem is Ive had 16mg today.
How long till i have to wait for the saturation of my opiates due to the 16mg dose to reduce to a livel where 2mg or less will work?

this was the next question I asked which wasnt really answered
Is there a dose curb with bupe meaning that as u raise the dose the effects also raise but at raise slower & slower the higher the dose u take?
For example. 8mg-16mg may raise the effets 50% but not double it. a dose of 16mg-32mg may raise the effects only 15%
that's just an example I dont know the actual percentages.

Morphine is best for analgesia, at the right dose. The reason for oxy / hydrocodone, is to reduce peripheral side effects and also be more powerful (not always more effective however.

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firstly i dont know what peripheral side effects are. I dont understand the difference between "powerfull" & "more effective"
being more powerful IS being more effective. anyways that doesnt matter.
Basically what gives u more euphoria. i dont care about duration or anything but what gives u the best rush. morphine or oxy?
someone who has IVed both might like to help. That would be most acurate but Id also like to know if uve atleast just tried the both drugs any ROA & let me know which u like the most.
yeah it may be selective but icouldnt be possible that out of the ppl who have tried both exactly half say morphine is better & exactly half say morphine is better.
Maybe there has been a poll here on BL I can go look up & compare the votes to each.
so u have no idea which would be more recreational?
If u HAD to make a decision between morphine IVed or oxy IVed. what would it be

one more question. what are strips. a they just another name for the tablet? like how they call xanax pills bars?

by the way how long do u have to hold it in ya mouth to get atleast $90 of the bupe absorbed.
Ive had bupe in my mouth for 45 mins now. the powder dissolved after abuot 10 mins but all I have now is bitter saliva in my mouth. Id assume it wouldnt be bitter if it didnt contain bupe or is it pill binder or something?
It would literally take 2 hrs for the bitter taste to go away probably. It should be in the leaflet that came with the script. I might try to look it up. u may have to leave it in ya mouth for an hr.

 

[tokenname]

Check over in OD (Other Drugs) for a plethora of information on IV-everything.

Have you tried going to the Other Drugs Forum here on BL...yet?
All the answers you're looking for are over there...
and you seem to be in a hurry...
So efficiently speaking, OD is probably your best bet.

 

[benzos4breakfast]

i was just getting off topic there. maybe u can help me out with these questions

what's a film?
what's a strip?
is it just a name ya use like bars for xanax?

is there a curb when dosing bupe?
as u increase the dose, the effects also increase but at a slower and slower rate?
so that would mean 16mg isnt twice as strong as 8mg right?
im sure u know what i mean. each mg estra ya have the effects increase but increase slower & sllower

how long are u suppose to leave it in ya mouth?
it may be in the script instructions but even after 45 mins i still have a bitter taste in my mouth. So just wanting to know ppl opinions on how long they usually keep it in there mouth.
as long as im getting atleast 90% I'll be happy. Im sure after an hr ud get that much but it is very frustrating having to leave a pill in ya mouth for so long. ya cant eat or anything. & it doesnt taste good. Id be pissed if I found out ya only need to hold it in there till the powder dissolves.

hope someone can answer any of these questions

 

[tokenname]

i was just getting off topic there. maybe u can help me out with these questions

what's a film?
what's a strip?
is it just a name ya use like bars for xanax?

is there a curb when dosing bupe?
as u increase the dose, the effects also increase but at a slower and slower rate?
so that would mean 16mg isnt twice as strong as 8mg right?
im sure u know what i mean. each mg estra ya have the effects increase but increase slower & sllower

how long are u suppose to leave it in ya mouth?
it may be in the script instructions but even after 45 mins i still have a bitter taste in my mouth. So just wanting to know ppl opinions on how long they usually keep it in there mouth.
as long as im getting atleast 90% I'll be happy. Im sure after an hr ud get that much but it is very frustrating having to leave a pill in ya mouth for so long. ya cant eat or anything. & it doesnt taste good. Id be pissed if I found out ya only need to hold it in there till the powder dissolves.

hope someone can answer any of these questions

A bupe strip is just that..a sublingual strip or film that dissolves in your mouth..instead of having to dissolve a tablet..also, I hear the taste of the film is much more neutral comparatively.
Mean dissolution time for all doses is between 5 and 6.6 minutes for bupe film and between 7 and 12.4 minutes for the bupe tablet. So, you should be good after 15 min.

Beyond that you're gonna have to google..or search OD..I don't use this substance..
It would probably help me out today..but I just w/d and wait it out.
I also don't IV anything..regarding your earlier questions..
so I really can't help more than that.

I'm trying really...but there's alot more info out there for you from other more experienced people..you'll just have to be patient and wait ... or keep searching.
~token

 

[benzos4breakfast]

A bupe strip is just that..a sublingual strip or film that dissolves in your mouth..instead of having to dissolve a tablet..also, I hear the taste of the film is much more neutral comparatively.
Mean dissolution time for all doses is between 5 and 6.6 minutes for bupe film and between 7 and 12.4 minutes for the bupe tablet. So, you should be good after 15 min.

Beyond that you're gonna have to google..or search OD..I don't use this substance..
It would probably help me out today..but I just w/d and wait it out.
I also don't IV anything..regarding your earlier questions..
so I really can't help more than that.

I'm trying really...but there's alot more info out there for you from other more experienced people..you'll just have to be patient and wait ... or keep searching.
~token

so are u saying ive been keeping that disgusting bitter "strip" in my mouth for over 45mins for nothing?
its still bitter after half an hr why is that than?

also i remember reading somewhere u shouldnt drink coffee or eat for 10 mins after having the bupe. what about nicotine gun (ive been quitting smoking)

 

[tokenname]

so are u saying ive been keeping that disgusting bitter "strip" in my mouth for over 45mins for nothing?
its still bitter after half an hr why is that than?

also i remember reading somewhere u shouldnt drink coffee or eat for 10 mins after having the bupe. what about nicotine gun (ive been quitting smoking)

lol...
no...aren't you on the tablet(pill)?
the tablet is not the strip.
the strip is like a film...think like blotter paper..(bad example but still)..closer to that.
just a different delivery of the same medicine.

as far as the bitterness...it's probably just because it tastes like crap.
that taste will probably stick around awhile..like xanax..ick.

I would think you should wait the 10 minutes for anything...coffee..food...gum...
mints....
whatever else you put in your mouth..lol.

 

[effie]

We don't cover comparison threads like this. We're a quick q&a forum focussing on HR. This is a very subjective question.

Please familiarise yourself with the guidelines in my signature and the "state of BDD" sticky.

Closed, pm me with any queries.