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Random MSN Gibberings LXXII: 5am sucks

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parttime crackhead said:
This.

Religious people are mental. Fact. Either utterly stupid or mental. Neither of you come across as stupid so I'll have to say you're mental.

Edit - Actually, amend that to Christians/Muslims/etc & all religions that believe things like the bible or an equivalent. There might be some religions out there that don't believe in things that are clearly untrue so I don't want to tar them all with the same insane brush.

See the South Park Mormon episode. You can apply that same thinking to pretty much every religion that I am aware of, it's just that the Mormon religion is even more stupid than others.


Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.


Moses parted the red sea? Aye so he did. Noah built an ark? C'mon to fuck. Jesus turned water into wine? Riiiiiight.
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Jehovah.Mind or you might get stoned in a way you dont like.
 
joe90 said:
Jehovah.Mind or you might get stoned in a way you dont like.
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Are there any women here today?

(high pitched) No!
(low pitched grumbling) No, No

Come on! Who threw that? Who threw that stone? Come on.
She did! She did! He did! He! He. He. Him. Him. Him. Him. He did.
 
parttime crackhead said:
The reason I have a negative view of religion is that a lot of it is utter bullshit, totally unbelievable yet somehow normally intelligent people believe it. Have you seen people who believe in creationism? I've watched some be interviewed & they are not mindless idiots, I would say that many of them are far more intelligent than I am yet they believe in things that are so clearly not true.

God put dinosaur fossils there to test our faith. Aye mate?
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Totally agree with that, it gets me fucking raging just thinking about it.
 
Good morning eadd.

People should be allowed to believe what they want. Of course creationism isnt indoctrinated into how we teach science here but we do still have segregated religious schools here and issues around that mostly played out in our culture in a football ground, orange walks Ireland's war n the like.... Which effect all of us who don't prescribe to this tribalism called religion.

Your attitudes to other people's religious choices is shaped by how your cultural norms.

So very judgemental.

To Yellow - partimes belief in all religious people are mental is an example of how is religious culture shapes that view. He just isn't aware of it yet. The west coast of Scotland is a particular hot-bed of sectarianism that does lead to a lot of mental views.
 
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SpecialK_ said:
I encountered a few strong Christians recently and they actually had a problem with a gay person attending an event and compared (directly) being gay as the same as beastality. I personally find the majority of them a lot more narrow minded than people who aren't. I'm always up for hearing another person's views, I wouldn't criticize their beliefs directly and if that's what they believe then that's that. But with Christians and the like any I've spoken to are not open to anyone elses views, your view isn't seen as your view it's seen as wrong and theirs as correct and they will try to force it upon you even if you don't wish to hear it. It's things like that, that give me such a negative view of religion.
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These are exactly the sort of Christians that annoy me (I'm guessing YPDH might agree on this). It is none of my business if someone is gay whatsoever, and even if I did think it was wrong it would be far better for them to be in church and believing in God than ostracised. I honestly cannot fathom why so many Christians get het up about homosexuality if they aren't gay because we all sin. I have read various theological debates and such about the gay issue, but I wouldn't dare come down on any side unless one of my gay friends asked me to help them make a theological decision... and even then, i'd probably send them to a professional and tell them to pray about it.

And PTCH + Danny, it's up to you if you don't believe or if you want to put forwards some actual arguments... but I find it ever so odd that you probably rage so hard at Christians who don't accept homosexuals - which they can't help, when you won't accept people being Christian - which they can't help either. So they criticise and judge homosexuals because they can't get their head around man love, and you critcise and judge Christians because you can't get your head around believing in God or Jesus. It seems like you're both as bad as each other.
 
People should be allowed to believe what they want. Of course creationism isnt indoctrinated into how we teach science here but we do still have segregated religious schools here and issues around that mostly played out in our culture in a football ground, orange walks Ireland's war n the like.... Which effect all of us who don't prescribe to this tribalism called religion.

Your attitudes to other people's religious choices is shaped by how your cultural norms.

So very judgemental.
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Did you actually read what he said? He even said some of these people are clearly more intellegent than he is, just some of the things they believe are plain ridiculous, which he gave examples of. I completely agree with what crackhead said. I do believe there is something and a reason we are all here, I dont think anybody truely knows what, some of the stories in the bible are plain ridiculous. The Catholic church IMO should be shut down for some of the things they have done, like telling Africans not to wear condoms, that panned out well didnt it? If they were actually religious and cared for their fellow human being they use all that money they have to wipe out some debt in Africa after what they've done.

Most of the people I've ever met who claim to be Christian are some of the worst human beings I've ever come across, I say most, not all, but I do mean most. It's all very well reading a book and going to church, but it's about how you live your life and who you are deep down, not who you pretend to be infront of your church buddies/local community.

Nothing has ever caused more wars than religion, not even oil.
 
rockstar 69 said:
Did you actually read what he said? He even said some of these people are clearly more intellegent than he is, just some of the things they believe are plain ridiculous, which he gave examples of. I completely agree with what crackhead said. I do believe there is something and a reason we are all here, I dont think anybody truely knows what, some of the stories in the bible are plain ridiculous. The Catholic church IMO should be shut down for some of the things they have done, like telling Africans not to wear condoms, that panned out well didnt it? If they were actually religious and cared for their fellow human being they use all that money they have to wipe out some debt in Africa after what they've done.

Most of the people I've ever met who claim to be Christian are some of the worst human beings I've ever come across, I say most, not all, but I do mean most. It's all very well reading a book and going to church, but it's about how you live your life and who you are deep down, not who you pretend to be infront of your church buddies/local community.

Nothing has ever caused more wars than religion, not even oil.
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Maybe you should think about criticising the Catholic churchs behaviour down in Africa logically before saying that? The Catholics said don't use condoms, but they also said don't sleep around. They said have one partner, if that partner dies then you can replace them. If you've only had one partner it's quite difficult to get HIV/AIDs. They can't just take the least important part of that faith to heart because it's fun, then reject the parts where it states even more explicitly only sleep with your wife because that's no fun. There are far better things to criticise the Catholic faith on than the 'they told people not to wear condoms' argument. The main one being the lack of accountability among clergy, and the seizure of power over the Christian church that wasn't theirs to take.

The religion causes war argument is lolz as well. Underpinning almost every war with religious motivations has been simple politics, with religion exploited as an extra motivating factor for the troops more than anything. Furthermore, nothing has caused more generosity than religious belief. The gulf between the amount the religious and non-religious give to charity; both time and money, is huge. That doesn't mean to say that the non-religious don't give and the religious always give, and that there aren't some extraordinary givers amongst that segment of society, but wherever there is a crisis the majority of the aid and aid workers come from Christian charities. Also, I have seen little evidence that in the absence of religion the killing stops... The 52 atheist leaders who have ever existed have killed over 147 million people in the name of other ideologies. That's more than all the wars and individual murders put together for the entire history of time. If one was to calculate the amount of lives saved by the religious and subtract the amount of lives taken by the religious i'm sure there would be a pretty massive gap. After all, large segments of Africa wouldn't be alive now if it weren't for the religious giving long before it was in vogue.
 
Read Mr Smoking Blunts post above - he said it better than me.

Edit - you got in before me msb!
 
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Not at all, you articulated - we all have views and are as bad as each other - a lot better than I did.
 
hi all, couldnt wake up today after having one too many msjs yesterday, felt pinned out the entire day from saturdays oxocube adventure, feeling very mongy as we speak and im sure ive made a catalogue of mistakes today at work, oh well:\

edit: work for me starts at 9.30.. i got in at 12 :|
 
yeah just about, it wasnt a major thing, just me being a fucking idiot! she didnt even mind i ordered anything, it was the fact i lied about it, still got alot of growing up to do it seems! nearly a quarter of a century old and am none the wiser, i blame drugs.... :p lol
 
Maybe you should think about criticising the Catholic churchs behaviour down in Africa logically before saying that? The Catholics said don't use condoms, but they also said don't sleep around. They said have one partner, if that partner dies then you can replace them. If you've only had one partner it's quite difficult to get HIV/AIDs. They can't just take the least important part of that faith to heart because it's fun, then reject the parts where it states even more explicitly only sleep with your wife because that's no fun. There are far better things to criticise the Catholic faith on than the 'they told people not to wear condoms' argument. The main one being the lack of accountability among clergy, and the seizure of power over the Christian church that wasn't theirs to take.

The religion causes war argument is lolz as well. Underpinning almost every war with religious motivations has been simple politics, with religion exploited as an extra motivating factor for the troops more than anything. Furthermore, nothing has caused more generosity than religious belief. The gulf between the amount the religious and non-religious give to charity; both time and money, is huge. That doesn't mean to say that the non-religious don't give and the religious always give, and that there aren't some extraordinary givers amongst that segment of society, but wherever there is a crisis the majority of the aid and aid workers come from Christian charities. Also, I have seen little evidence that in the absence of religion the killing stops... The 52 atheist leaders who have ever existed have killed over 147 million people in the name of other ideologies. That's more than all the wars and individual murders put together for the entire history of time. If one was to calculate the amount of lives saved by the religious and subtract the amount of lives taken by the religious i'm sure there would be a pretty massive gap. After all, large segments of Africa wouldn't be alive now if it weren't for the religious giving long before it was in vogue.
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Hah, so do you want to name one place on earth that every single member of the community is faithful to one person? At best it was poorly thought out, there is no denying they caused problems in Africa. End of, we can agree to disagree but if you honestly think that your mad. I do not hate Catholics, I just do not understand how anyone can put faith in something that's done so much wrong, I'm leaving it at Africa last time. But the amount of young boys that were abused at their schools, only for the priests to be forgiven and put to another school to do the same thing to many others. This has been rife even higher up in the pecking order and the pope himself has forgiven his cardinal (spelling?) for doing such things. I'm sorry but nobody gets over that, if that was me I would dedicate my entire adult life to ruining all aspects of the person who did it's life and credibility. Equally these people's parents must have been pretty heartbroken too, the ones who knew where the kids hadn't just dealt with it on their own. For the good they've done vs the problems they've caused I would like to see their fortune spent putting some of these things right and helping people who need it, not stored in millions worth of paintings and gold locked in a basement.

The gulf in the amount religious and non religious give to charity? Is this based on your findings or is there any statistics/source to back this up. Fair play if you have one, I'd like to see it though. From what I have seen in my life with the people I know it's the exact opposite. They may put a bit of money in a church basket once a week but I doubt they'd give a homeless person a pound, probably the sort of people who would say all homeless are wino's I'd imagine. Andd the likes of charities for earthquake victims, cancer patients, orphans etc. Are they using their resources to check whether the people who donated the money are religious? I very much doubt it. And 52 atheist leaders killed more than every war put together, are you saying these people are the same as your average atheist? Thanks for the info but I don't really see how it was relevant to the conversation?
 
Church is like a hospital. Its full of the sick and all those ecstatically happy people. On one day Globally if you could look down and isolate little scenes you'd find lepers and people dying of AIDS and youll find christenings and Weddings. Its only by looking at the whole tapestry that you can possibly get a balanced impression of the church. It makes no sense to drag up some evil from the mire because the church is also full of good. Jesus said 'no one is Good .. only God'.. Nobody/nothing is fully good! or fully bad.

See what I mean Rockstar?
 
monstanoodle said:
My pleasure sir :) Hahaha, I wish I shared your patience for drugs =D
I'm a right drug-pig-craving-crack-pipes when it comes to waiting to get muntered 8)

Oh! Boots, I think it's Boots anyway, do Aspirin / Codeine tabs that come in a bottle, so you can give them a small crush in the bottle, add however much water you need in relation to tablets, shake it up and then pour that into the filters %)
Great suxess!
Though this may not be Boots, in which case this "info" is completely useless hehe.
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these are the tits. ive been using them almost exclusively as they dissolve then filter in a total of 5 minutes. 2 bottles have me nice for a couple of hours. i hate using paracetamol/codeine products (it takes like an hour to filter, the high only lasts 2 and paracetamol is waaaay more dangerous than aspirin), unless it's the boots para/dhc, in which case i'll make an exception since the dhc high lasts like 4 hours. still takes me 2 boxes though; i think theyre gonna start recognising me in boots soon enough. blech to tolerance

and the aspirin/codeine tablets are boots own brand, yes, so you can only get em there.
 
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