(R)(+)-Diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol

[phase_dancer]

P.S. you'll find few or no "expert" opinions around here... I'm not aware of anyone who has supplied provable credentials. If you need professional or expert assistance, you are in the wrong place altogether IMO.

Maybe you won't find them, but I've found some BLers can definitely be described as 'experts' in their fields.

If you feel you have to pass such comments, do it via PM.

 

[LuxEtVeritas]

formal credentials mean d*ck anyway

a piece of paper does not make you an expert

there are certainly a few people here who obviously speak from a position of some authority and sound knowledge base and do not need to cite or even have any verifiable credentials to be taken as "expert" in this area

 

[giantsquid]

^^^ what exactly were you expecting? It's a dopaminergic stimulant, and they all feel pretty similar. Why did you take such a large dose?

It was given too me and I was told the dosage was 500mgs
as it was a very obscure compound at the time I just took the persons word for it

 

[Sandbag]

i concur with this laconic yet technically precise synopsis. for the rectally challenged, there does not seem to be another viable ROA.

Sorry for digging up an old thread; but I should be coming across some diphenyl-prolinol shortly and was wondering if anyone had attempted IV use? I'm planning on testing methylone soon as well, via oral, insuffulation, and IV and I'm wondering if there is any a reason I shouldn't do the same with diphenyl-prolinol.

 

[bob_arctor]

500 mg is a very high dosage!

most pleasant results here have been with 40-80 mg in single dose per experience. in the higher register, strong jaw-clenching was noted, but not much of unwanted peripheral side effects to speak of otherwise. in low doses, a good alternative to ephedra perhaps - less jitter .... in higher doses, good for staying up, but hard to sleep afterwards, very dry mouth etc.

 

[MDPVagrant]

That isn't the important thing, the ratio of Ki binding to Ki reuptake inhibition is what determines the 'strength' of the stimulation. Although all the receptor sites might be occupied, not all of them are inhibited. It's the percentage of ones with the drug bound that are prevented from reuptake that determines just how much of the neurotransmitter stays in the synapse

Well, I'm in search of a theory to explain observed facts then: D2PM seems to be capable of bringing on dopamine psychosis faster than most other dopaminergic substances I've researched. Perhaps it is more highly targeted to dopamine than others like MDPV and desoxypipradrol, or perhaps it builds up in brain tissues or in the bloodstream more?

Who knows, there could be a number of possibilities. But I'm quite certain the stuff is capable of causing psychosis with stunning rapidity, given high + frequent + extended dosing (a combined situation that most will never encounter, but worthy of note anyway).

Sorry for digging up an old thread; but I should be coming across some diphenyl-prolinol shortly and was wondering if anyone had attempted IV use? I'm planning on testing methylone soon as well, via oral, insuffulation, and IV and I'm wondering if there is any a reason I shouldn't do the same with diphenyl-prolinol.

The stuff is VERY irritating to body tissues; other than that, I don't know of any reason why it couldn't be IV'ed, but that may be reason enough. Plugging even a dilute solution of the stuff results in mucus formation in the rectum and lower intestine, and it's basically unsnortable due to extreme pain. I swear, the stuff is like some kind of industrial waste in the way it tastes, smells and irritates.

 

[Sandbag]

The stuff is VERY irritating to body tissues; other than that, I don't know of any reason why it couldn't be IV'ed, but that may be reason enough. Plugging even a dilute solution of the stuff results in mucus formation in the rectum and lower intestine, and it's basically unsnortable due to extreme pain. I swear, the stuff is like some kind of industrial waste in the way it tastes, smells and irritates.

Hmm, is it known to cause nausea when consumed orally? Many of my friends experience nausea from oral consumption of stimulant substances (primarily MDMA/M.Amp) but I have never personally become nauseated from an orally consumed stim so I might experience that with this stuff. Either way I plan on attempting IV with a small dose. I don't think it could hurt anymore to inject than anhydrous ethanol did.

 

[nanobrain]

this stuff is vile and proved worthless in every way. basified, it smells like degrading / not completely dried MDPV x10 (nasty-ass) and contrary to what you may hear, it s not smokable and dos not effect the Coriolis spin when flushed down the toilet.

 

[MDPVagrant]

Hmm, is it known to cause nausea when consumed orally? Many of my friends experience nausea from oral consumption of stimulant substances (primarily MDMA/M.Amp) but I have never personally become nauseated from an orally consumed stim so I might experience that with this stuff. Either way I plan on attempting IV with a small dose. I don't think it could hurt anymore to inject than anhydrous ethanol did.

It certainly doesn't cause me any nausea when taken orally. Rectal admin is effective, but involves some obvious irritation of tissues in the form of mucus build up (yuck). No clue about IV, but I would definitely keep the first dose both low and highly diluted, just in case. Then go up from there if all is cool.

As far as the "it's worthless, vile crap" warnings, I'd just ignore those and make up your own mind... which I already know you will, so I dunno why I'm typing this ... maybe for other (potential) readers who tend to take other people's advice instead of trying stuff for themselves.

 

[raybeez]

Can anyone comment and/or speculate as to why the onset of the effects of this drug take so long to occur? (reportedly upwards of 2 hours). Nasal administration didn't sound like it produced a faster onset either.

Is it just really slowly in absorption, regardless if PO or nasally administered? Or would the time delay have more to do with the drug's hypothetical mechanism of action?

 

[Ximot]

Had me some 50mg of this, rectally, yesterday afternoon. The burn was hellish, and it felt like chemical burn and I thought "no way am i ever gonna use this stuff again, this is corrosive or something". Well, the pain subsided and gave way to a fairly gentle stimulation, mostly mental in nature, with no noticeable changes in BP and heartrate (I didn't check, just a feeling). 2 friends had the same dose orally. One liked it, one didn't. The one who liked it likes M1 and 4F as well and is no great fan of psychedelics. The one who didn't like it reacted a bit like me... just a mildly heightened sense of awareness with no special feelings, no euphoria, but also no paranoia (albeit a heightened sense of others' paranoia... hm, where does one draw the line..., no dysphoria. I did getmy usual stim-restlessness - where I kinda feel on edge and not grounded and just not calm and peaceful, but pretty analytical. I managed to make this subside in the end with a shot of Absinth at T+4, and that's also when the drug started kicking in properly it seemed. Slow onset, really. Then 3 or 4 more beers were had, and then - typical for me when under the influence of stimulants and alcohol - it seemed like a godo idea to add soem psychedelic. Oh, but what a wholesome experience, and what a relief it was. 15mg 4-AcO-MIPT down the hatch (2 people) and we both enjoyed that, on top of the drinks and the diphenyl-prolinol (ingested at around T+9). At T+12, some 3 timeless colourful hours later, time for sleep.

Been up a couple of hours now, didnt have any real sleep, just a spin'n'snooze where there were so many OEV/CEV that there was little difference between having my eyes open or closed. But a morning walk in the sun has cleared the headache that was there in the morning.

I would flush it down the toilet, but labrat number 3 (who doesn't like psychedelics and enjoys the psycho-cosmetic quality of stims for a superficial sociability I find unwholesome) wants to have further "experiments" using it socially. Too much thinking going on with that stuff, too much edge. regular use surely a recipe for disaster. Dunno how physically healthy it is either ...

Unwholesome stuff, to be sure. Thank God for psychedelics, and nice to know that 9 hours into the experience a tryptamine could provide a gentle breeze of peace.

 

[MDPVagrant]

Diphenyl Prolinol & Sex...

Just thought I'd copy this from an MDPV-related post, as it's relevant IMO.

The only thing I've liked as well as MDPV for (sexual boost effects) is diphenyl prolinol, and that for a different reason (not much change in frequency/length but the most intense, universe-splitting orgasms ever, like LARGE supernovas)... but it came at a high price in the latter case, as dosing very high/often on diphenyl prolinol brought on the most vicious compulsivity + loss of control I've ever experienced from any stimulant.

Not to mention, the only overt case of dopamine psychosis I've ever had (i.e. I was classically psychotic for a couple days, not just paranoid or manic). Thank goodness few have had the patience, free time and insane determination to wrest some entertainment value from diphenyl prolinol... it's like a cornered animal that finally gives up and ATTACKS when you keep pushing it harder to deliver.

OK, so for those DUMB enough (yes) to try & get this entertainment value from D2PM, here's a brief guideline: First off, NEVER have more than a gram around if you're gonna do this... unless the idea of being in a straitjacket & padded room for a long time appeals to you. Better yet, limit your easy access to 1/2 gram.

Next, (A) You MUST plug... no other method of admin will do the trick, unless you figure out how to IM or IV. Make sure to dilute it enough to minimize irritation, it's important. (B) You must chase whatever euphoria you find, until you feel satisfied with it... that means having all day to do nothing but dose liberally at will. (C) You must obey once the DPH is in control, as you'll have no other choice. I mean it pretty literally, give up immediately and accept the fact you're gonna use until it's gone. Otherwise you will be "door-matted" by this drug, whipped into chemical defeat, in a state of amazement and humility. Not a pleasant form of ego-loss, I must say. And finally, (D) if you feel yourself going into dopamine psychosis (pretty easy to tell), IMMEDIATELY toss what you have left down the toilet. Or you will go straight into psychosis & stay in for as long as 2+ days/nights. If it happens, it will most likely be toward the end of the gram, or ~48 hours rolling, whichever comes first.

Enjoy, kiddies . Better yet, take the above as a warning and find something more enjoyable to use in the traditional sense. You probably won't die, but you had better like EXTREME thrill-seeking to attempt the above. Now that my memories are distant it seems it was almost fun, but the subsequent crash (without psychosis) was sheer HELL that lasted the better part of a week.

 

[MDPVagrant]

Had me some 50mg of this, rectally, yesterday afternoon. The burn was hellish, and it felt like chemical burn and I thought "no way am i ever gonna use this stuff again, this is corrosive or something".

Hmm, why didn't you just dilute it more? Experimentation with RC dosing requires open mindedness, i.e. going from "one 2mg concentrated dose" to "four 4-mg weaker doses spread out over 60 minutes" and such. Not that you were closed-minded, but I mean immediately thinking "I'll never do this again" without trying dilution isn't exactly making an effort to enjoy it...

Well, the pain subsided and gave way to a fairly gentle stimulation, mostly mental in nature, with no noticeable changes in BP and heartrate (I didn't check, just a feeling). 2 friends had the same dose orally. One liked it, one didn't. The one who liked it likes M1 and 4F as well and is no great fan of psychedelics. The one who didn't like it reacted a bit like me... just a mildly heightened sense of awareness with no special feelings, no euphoria, but also no paranoia (albeit a heightened sense of others' paranoia... hm, where does one draw the line..., no dysphoria. I did getmy usual stim-restlessness - where I kinda feel on edge and not grounded and just not calm and peaceful, but pretty analytical.

What made you stop & not want to get stronger effects via re-dosing? Just curious, IMO it feels pretty good at milder levels (definite dopamine tickle) and always tempted me to see what it felt like at higher doses. Just curious... not that I'd recommend anyone go crazy with this stuff!

Oh wait, I know ya, LOL... you're not much a fan of dopamergics like Ritalin, coke, M1 and such, right? Some people just don't seem to care, while others it's all they can do to contain the excitement and euphoria caused by these drugs... kinda strange, that.

 

[Ximot]

What made you stop & not want to get stronger effects via re-dosing? (...)Oh wait, I know ya, LOL... you're not much a fan of dopamergics like Ritalin, coke, M1 and such, right? Some people just don't seem to care, while others it's all they can do to contain the excitement and euphoria caused by these drugs... kinda strange, that.

I didn't see why I should "up" the dose of something that makes me feel uncomfortable with no hint at enjoyment even at a lower dose.

Correct, I do not enjoy the overstimulation I get from MDPV, or from coke, after the initial euphoria wears off. With coke, I don't even get the initial euphoria, I just feelon edge from the first minute, it really isn't for me except in really low doses.

M1 causes so much euphoria in me I can go totally out of control on the pleasure quest with a high enough dose if I add alcohol as well. I enjoy it tremendously but stay away from it because of this tendency to bring out my -here-and-now-and-everything hedonist, because he knows almost no limits and for him, tomorrow never comes.... until it does

And plain old amphetamine, provided the dose is nice and low, I still like. But once the dose gets higher (quite possible to do since low doses are so pleasant) I feel a bit edgy on that too. With a high dose I mean like 20mg of Adderall all at once.... that's already a bit much. I guess I'm just very sensitive to dopaminergic drugs.

 

[Ham-milton]

me too- I hate anything more than 15-20mg at a time. More than that and I just feel way overstimulated.

hand me some somas and some oxys though, and by the time the night is over, we'll have run out.

 

[donalduck]

What about 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine ?
A better alternative?

 

[Hammilton]

You're talking about the desoxy derivative. Well, consider the difference between pipradrol and desoxypipradrol. The latter is more potent, and apparently better liked.

This would just be the desoxypipradrol with a pyrrolidine instead of piperidine.