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Quitting/Tapering Thread.
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mork
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it took me being locked up in rehab for 10 weeks to break the cycle that lasted 18 years.That was 3 years ago, and today I still battle with the odd urge to "check out" but I no longer have cravings for that evil most evil meth. I enjoy the odd beer and the very occasional experiment with RC's however I know that the "cycle" is just waiting for me to pick back up!
Breaking the cycle isn't just about stopping the use or getting rid of dealer's numbers - it an entire life changing deal where you must examine your deepest self, understand your make up, take ownership of your shit and be truthful to yourself, at all times.
I have no doubt that I am an addict and will always have those addictive tendencies, but I also can have a positive life if I choose to.
There are some great therapies out there but none of them are going to work unless you work on yourself as well - it's a dangerous slope if you put all your eggs in the therapy basket and think it will cure you alone.
Breaking the cycle isn't just about stopping the use or getting rid of dealer's numbers - it an entire life changing deal where you must examine your deepest self, understand your make up, take ownership of your shit and be truthful to yourself, at all times.
I have no doubt that I am an addict and will always have those addictive tendencies, but I also can have a positive life if I choose to.
There are some great therapies out there but none of them are going to work unless you work on yourself as well - it's a dangerous slope if you put all your eggs in the therapy basket and think it will cure you alone.
tyrael
Bluelighter
Just for those performing their "own" ORT.
The national standards for Bupe titration rate reduction is;
National Clinical Guidelines and Procedures for the Use of Buprenorphine in the Treatment of Opioid Dependence, pg 46.
+1. I do think there is an addiction personality trait, I know I do.
I agree re just therapy alone, but I think this is true about any one therapy modality - imo for the best chance of recovery treatment should be multidisciplinary!
Good luck everyone giving it a bash! Props for even thinking about it imo!
The national standards for Bupe titration rate reduction is;
National Clinical Guidelines and Procedures for the Use of Buprenorphine in the Treatment of Opioid Dependence, pg 46.
+1. I do think there is an addiction personality trait, I know I do.
I agree re just therapy alone, but I think this is true about any one therapy modality - imo for the best chance of recovery treatment should be multidisciplinary!
Good luck everyone giving it a bash! Props for even thinking about it imo!
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footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
You're not meant to say that outloud 5ativ4
Do try and post only when you have something constructive to add, otherwise it does just clutter up threads and make it harder for those seeking information to find what they need. Thankya Good work on kicking and staying that way, mork.
lovepsychadelics
Bluelighter
I slipped up a little. Found a few tabs nbome sitting around and although I threw most of them out I kept 1. Took a quarter to one third of a tab (cut with scissors) a few days ago and had an enjoyable experience but found the next day I was feeling the urge to smoke real bad. Not a good sign as that usually means a relapse both tobacco and if I'd kept the tabs nbome. Got through the day without smoking but it was really hard not to go and buy a packet or get something a bit greener. Needless to say I disposed of the other bit of tab. Thing is I had a really enjoyable time on the nbome but the craving was there for literally anything after the experience for a good 24 hours. Not the safest substance but no train wreck days of feeling like death from a near OD on a bunch of random shit. Don't have any urge to smoke or do substances as of a good nights sleep so I'm back on track.
It's weird I poly-substance abuse (it's dumb and I'm not proud of it) so I never get addicted that much to one drug (unless I have easy access to a large amount) more of a don't feel right unless high sometimes which makes me want to do substances so it's more of a lifestyle thing I think, a psychological addiction more than physical...
It's weird I poly-substance abuse (it's dumb and I'm not proud of it) so I never get addicted that much to one drug (unless I have easy access to a large amount) more of a don't feel right unless high sometimes which makes me want to do substances so it's more of a lifestyle thing I think, a psychological addiction more than physical...
Good work on having a taste and then being able to just drop it without it becoming a full on relapse. That's gotta be a good feeling, knowing that you're able to do that.
I've always thought that the only way an addiction or compulsive drug taking pattern can be said to be 'beat' is when you're able to have one drinking/toke/line/ whatever, and just leave it there.
I don't think that forced abstinence from anything at all really qualifies as having come to terms with the problem.
I've always thought that the only way an addiction or compulsive drug taking pattern can be said to be 'beat' is when you're able to have one drinking/toke/line/ whatever, and just leave it there.
I don't think that forced abstinence from anything at all really qualifies as having come to terms with the problem.
jones-in_J
Bluelighter
This is exactly where I am at. I want out of my halfway house sooooo bad but am on probation so while im here I gotta be "good" and I dont make enough $ to get my own place and my work hours have been cut in half, fml
Spackeradder
Bluelighter
Don't suppose anyone has any golden tips on reducing the use of and then quitting meth? Anyone here with a success story they can share?
I live in a small rural town, shard is everywhere, and everyone I know is on it. Gear has become so firmly rooted in my routine that the idea of life without it is getting increasingly hard to picture.
Starting to lose the plot.
Any bits advice anyone can throw my would be welcome.
I live in a small rural town, shard is everywhere, and everyone I know is on it. Gear has become so firmly rooted in my routine that the idea of life without it is getting increasingly hard to picture.
Starting to lose the plot.
Any bits advice anyone can throw my would be welcome.
tentram
Ex-Bluelighter
^methamphetamine or methadone?
helps to give the proper name to avoid confusion and possible misinformation
helps to give the proper name to avoid confusion and possible misinformation
Spackeradder
Bluelighter
^methamphetamine or methadone?
helps to give the proper name to avoid confusion and possible misinformation
Methamphetamine, sorry.
Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. No miracle cure or easy way outs. Guess I better just tell myself that the next baggy I buy will be my last, then repeat the same claim numerous times over for a few weeks. Goddamnit.
That might see unexciting, but the fact you've made the decision, and you plan to repeat it everytime you buy a bag, can have a powerful momentum about it. Especially if you can draw out the time between bags.
Sometimes, when the culture and substance is all around you and defines your life to some extent, the best you can do is keep reaffirming that you want off and you will get there.
It's the mindless pattern of use with ever questioning why you're doing it that can damn you to a never ending abyss.
Good luck. I think you might do better than you think.
Well, looks like it's time for me to check in to this thread. I need to taper (havne't any thought about whether I want to completely stop or not) benzos, stims, opiates for a simple reason: I have completely run out of money and am dragging down my brother and partner. I said I'd never let that happen, but here we are.
The problem is that I have absolutely ZERO motivation to do ANYTHING. Severe depression and meds that don't work anymore mean I'm stuck self-medicating as best I can. I've had a few dry days and they were total write-offs; couldn't do a thing. How do I job hunt and get back into the working world, when:
A) it's the reason I ended up using opiates for over seven years
B) I can't smile or appear to be normal, even at the best of times. On bad days. I couldn't smile if you put a gun to my head and said "cheese"
C) I don't respond to negative pressure. I just go numb. THe more the bills pile up. THe less I notice them.
A social worker has suggested going on the methadone program and I have been deliberating this so hard and so long it's ridiculous. Part of me thinks that I can still get clean, especially now that my tolerance is dropping(though no choice of my own). But still, the strain would be so eased if the methadone program worked out, but then I'm basically comitting myself to a long-term sentence where I depend on the government/medical system I despise so much.
Not sure what to do with this.........
The problem is that I have absolutely ZERO motivation to do ANYTHING. Severe depression and meds that don't work anymore mean I'm stuck self-medicating as best I can. I've had a few dry days and they were total write-offs; couldn't do a thing. How do I job hunt and get back into the working world, when:
A) it's the reason I ended up using opiates for over seven years
B) I can't smile or appear to be normal, even at the best of times. On bad days. I couldn't smile if you put a gun to my head and said "cheese"
C) I don't respond to negative pressure. I just go numb. THe more the bills pile up. THe less I notice them.
A social worker has suggested going on the methadone program and I have been deliberating this so hard and so long it's ridiculous. Part of me thinks that I can still get clean, especially now that my tolerance is dropping(though no choice of my own). But still, the strain would be so eased if the methadone program worked out, but then I'm basically comitting myself to a long-term sentence where I depend on the government/medical system I despise so much.
Not sure what to do with this.........
Hmm, sounds eerily familiar.
I'm just as depressed, if not more depressed now that I'm on methadone. It's a massive decision and I could not really recommend it to anyone, however in some cases it may be the difference between life and death. It feels like a death sentence to me anyhow. Hmm.
This is a big post, and is just me writing about myself, so if large paragraphs scare you, run away now!!
Opi8: yep.... shit.... I know this sounds trite but I'm fucking sorry to hear that from you, opi8.
I've been on opiates for years, and on/off benzos (more on than off) for two years, and anti-depressants for the last 12 years, and I know that I have lost touch with a large part of who I am. I have no idea what I want, and thus life seems pointless.
The obvious thing seems to be: Get off all that body and soul numbing shit and get yourself together!!
HOWEVER, I'm in my mid-thirties, and before my seven years of dependence started I had already lived what some people might consider a 'full life', while sober. Long term relationships, contracted full time work for years, years of living and travelling abroad (North America, Asia, Europe). Again, all while sober - aside from getting hammered now and then with friends/colleagues.
I also have practise a fairly strict form of buddhism, which doesn't bother much with rules EXCEPT ... that one must be mindful of everything, all the time. That was the hardest fucking thing I've ever done, and the single most transformative by far. I realised then that our minds want to distract - or extract - part of our conscious self from whatever we are doing a good 90% of the time. I did two times daily one hour sitting meditation, AND attempted to be 100% aware of what I did, said, thought, ate, etc. all the time. I did that for about 15 months. Absolutely sober.
I have always been a casual exerciser - just cuz I like moving. Cycling mainly. But I've gone to gyms on and off for over ten years. The best stint was two years, three days a week. I fixed up my back problems the osteopath said would never get better, and went from 70 kg to 90. I looked almost the same - tall and lean - but I had never been stronger in my life. I loved that feeling. I went for core strength. So while I was far from ripped, I was a lot stronger than I looked which surprised people (hehe).
The thing is: I felt that, deep down, ultimately, all of this was pointless. And I felt detached from life. So, what's to go back to if I get sober?
I've been 'depressed' (never been properly diagnosed - psych thinks it's bi-polar now) since I was a child, so I can say without a doubt in my mind, that there's something 'wrong' upstairs which precedes substance use by many years and life experiences. I feel I've lived a whole lifetime already, and all of it was punctuated by severe depression. It never lessened or went away. I discovered that some things, like drinking too much, would make it temporarily worse, but only in a superficial way. Sometimes a hangover was just a hangover. Sometimes I wanted to top myself the morning after a few beers. Sometimes I wanted to top myself after nothing. For no reason.
It is very hard for me to get the point across to people in the medical field: The depression came BEFORE the drugs. The drugs were a symptom of the depression. If I sober up, I will feel mentally and physically better - but I'll still be depressed because it's hardwired. My mother, her mother... all the way down the maternal line; sanatoriums, lobotomies (really), ECT, medications. And I got it too. I guess I'm a girly man
When I started using opiates, it was very much like the experience I had during the 'mindfulness' - minus the struggle to with my own brain. When I was trying to be mindful, I had to tell my brain to "shut up", or "pay attention", "stop saying 'shut up' and stop thiking'". You can't stop thinking. You can lessen it, and you can come to see it as merely thoughts, which are not your definitive self. Fighting with your brain is hard work!! (but very revealing, for a while).
ANyway, opiates were like the best states I achieved in walking meditataion - without the effort. It felt natural. What I had struggled for came automatically. I was in love.
Fast forward a good four or five years and the love affair is a stale marriage where both sides want out but are too scared to go it alone again because they've forgotten what it's like to rely on your own faculties. All the coping mechanisms I had built up since childhood seem to have gone on permanent hiatus and now I feel useless.
I don't want to give my life away to methadone, but I don't know how to get out of this pit I'm in. It's a deep one.
-five weeks to find two places to live; one rental property for my girlfriend and I, and a government housing place for my mother who is mentally ill and stone broke. Not a lead on either front yet.
-I have -$95 in my account. Yes, minus. And the bank punishes me for not having money, by taking more money out (that's bank logic). How can they take money that doesn't exist? Wow! Banks are amazing! Magic!
-I need a job. I have put my partner through all kinds of shit, and she's been amazingly supportive for someone who has never used drugs or seen any weird shit. She's had a sheltered life compared to mine. The money drain (ie. my lack of contribution for the last five or six months) is strain our relationship.
-All this stuff. As soon as I start detoxing, I go to shit (haha, literally and figureatively). I can't think, move, talk, care. And how fucking long is it gonna take to get off benzos and opiates? Too long!! I need to get off my bony arse and move move move!
-I'm not in good health. I refuse to go to the doctor because i've had too many bad experiences with medical institutions.
So...yeah... that's me. SOrry for the ramble.
And, thank you if you read through this. There's no need for advice. I've already tried lots of things, and I know that I am the only one who can figure this one out. My guess (hope) is the psychiatrist (second appointment tomorrow) will finally make a proper diagnosis and give me something that makes life bearable, that makes me functional at least. I can do the rest from there.
Thanks for reading
Opi8: yep.... shit.... I know this sounds trite but I'm fucking sorry to hear that from you, opi8.
I've been on opiates for years, and on/off benzos (more on than off) for two years, and anti-depressants for the last 12 years, and I know that I have lost touch with a large part of who I am. I have no idea what I want, and thus life seems pointless.
The obvious thing seems to be: Get off all that body and soul numbing shit and get yourself together!!
HOWEVER, I'm in my mid-thirties, and before my seven years of dependence started I had already lived what some people might consider a 'full life', while sober. Long term relationships, contracted full time work for years, years of living and travelling abroad (North America, Asia, Europe). Again, all while sober - aside from getting hammered now and then with friends/colleagues.
I also have practise a fairly strict form of buddhism, which doesn't bother much with rules EXCEPT ... that one must be mindful of everything, all the time. That was the hardest fucking thing I've ever done, and the single most transformative by far. I realised then that our minds want to distract - or extract - part of our conscious self from whatever we are doing a good 90% of the time. I did two times daily one hour sitting meditation, AND attempted to be 100% aware of what I did, said, thought, ate, etc. all the time. I did that for about 15 months. Absolutely sober.
I have always been a casual exerciser - just cuz I like moving. Cycling mainly. But I've gone to gyms on and off for over ten years. The best stint was two years, three days a week. I fixed up my back problems the osteopath said would never get better, and went from 70 kg to 90. I looked almost the same - tall and lean - but I had never been stronger in my life. I loved that feeling. I went for core strength. So while I was far from ripped, I was a lot stronger than I looked which surprised people (hehe).
The thing is: I felt that, deep down, ultimately, all of this was pointless. And I felt detached from life. So, what's to go back to if I get sober?
I've been 'depressed' (never been properly diagnosed - psych thinks it's bi-polar now) since I was a child, so I can say without a doubt in my mind, that there's something 'wrong' upstairs which precedes substance use by many years and life experiences. I feel I've lived a whole lifetime already, and all of it was punctuated by severe depression. It never lessened or went away. I discovered that some things, like drinking too much, would make it temporarily worse, but only in a superficial way. Sometimes a hangover was just a hangover. Sometimes I wanted to top myself the morning after a few beers. Sometimes I wanted to top myself after nothing. For no reason.
It is very hard for me to get the point across to people in the medical field: The depression came BEFORE the drugs. The drugs were a symptom of the depression. If I sober up, I will feel mentally and physically better - but I'll still be depressed because it's hardwired. My mother, her mother... all the way down the maternal line; sanatoriums, lobotomies (really), ECT, medications. And I got it too. I guess I'm a girly man
When I started using opiates, it was very much like the experience I had during the 'mindfulness' - minus the struggle to with my own brain. When I was trying to be mindful, I had to tell my brain to "shut up", or "pay attention", "stop saying 'shut up' and stop thiking'". You can't stop thinking. You can lessen it, and you can come to see it as merely thoughts, which are not your definitive self. Fighting with your brain is hard work!! (but very revealing, for a while).
ANyway, opiates were like the best states I achieved in walking meditataion - without the effort. It felt natural. What I had struggled for came automatically. I was in love.
Fast forward a good four or five years and the love affair is a stale marriage where both sides want out but are too scared to go it alone again because they've forgotten what it's like to rely on your own faculties. All the coping mechanisms I had built up since childhood seem to have gone on permanent hiatus and now I feel useless.
I don't want to give my life away to methadone, but I don't know how to get out of this pit I'm in. It's a deep one.
-five weeks to find two places to live; one rental property for my girlfriend and I, and a government housing place for my mother who is mentally ill and stone broke. Not a lead on either front yet.
-I have -$95 in my account. Yes, minus. And the bank punishes me for not having money, by taking more money out (that's bank logic). How can they take money that doesn't exist? Wow! Banks are amazing! Magic!
-I need a job. I have put my partner through all kinds of shit, and she's been amazingly supportive for someone who has never used drugs or seen any weird shit. She's had a sheltered life compared to mine. The money drain (ie. my lack of contribution for the last five or six months) is strain our relationship.
-All this stuff. As soon as I start detoxing, I go to shit (haha, literally and figureatively). I can't think, move, talk, care. And how fucking long is it gonna take to get off benzos and opiates? Too long!! I need to get off my bony arse and move move move!
-I'm not in good health. I refuse to go to the doctor because i've had too many bad experiences with medical institutions.
So...yeah... that's me. SOrry for the ramble.
And, thank you if you read through this. There's no need for advice. I've already tried lots of things, and I know that I am the only one who can figure this one out. My guess (hope) is the psychiatrist (second appointment tomorrow) will finally make a proper diagnosis and give me something that makes life bearable, that makes me functional at least. I can do the rest from there.
Thanks for reading
footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
I wish you all the best, Halif. You're a very intelligent guy (and I saw a great quote by neversickanymore elsewhere on Bluelight which said something along the lines of; the smarter you are, the smarter your addiction is), but you seem like the kind of person who has the resourcefulness to improve the things you want to.
I just wanted to add a note about suboxone, since you've said you've begun thinking about perhaps getting on ORT. I don't know whether you'd consider suboxone over methadone, but I just wanted to say I've found the program very accomodating. I have an arrangement where I pick up infrequently and divide my dose myself, for a very low cost. The low dose I'm on - 1mg a day - works much better for me than higher doses have. I've experienced very few side effects on this. I've now been completely off alcohol and opioids (apart from subby) over the past three weeks - a real achievement for me. What you've said about losing touch with yourself, and the soul numbing effects of opioids, is something I relate to a lot. But I feel like over the past few weeks I'm just beginning to get that back - the small dose of suboxone hasn't seemed to have prevented some vitality from returning.
All the best with whatever you choose.
I just wanted to add a note about suboxone, since you've said you've begun thinking about perhaps getting on ORT. I don't know whether you'd consider suboxone over methadone, but I just wanted to say I've found the program very accomodating. I have an arrangement where I pick up infrequently and divide my dose myself, for a very low cost. The low dose I'm on - 1mg a day - works much better for me than higher doses have. I've experienced very few side effects on this. I've now been completely off alcohol and opioids (apart from subby) over the past three weeks - a real achievement for me. What you've said about losing touch with yourself, and the soul numbing effects of opioids, is something I relate to a lot. But I feel like over the past few weeks I'm just beginning to get that back - the small dose of suboxone hasn't seemed to have prevented some vitality from returning.
All the best with whatever you choose.
Thanks so much Footscrazy for that thoughtful reply.
I will have to check out suboxone, becuase for some reason I was biased toward methadone. I guess, if I"m honest, I wanted something that would get me at least a bit stoned. You see, I don't want to stop using opiates. Everything else can go, but nothing had ever worked better in lifting me out of the fog than opiates. Of course I abused them and the magic went away (mostly), but whenever I go through stages of balance and moderate use... those are the golden periods. I've had a good few, too.
Life has just ground me down over the last 18 months or so, and I gave in. Actually making the decision to move into full-blown dependency as a daily user, knowing very well how people are effected by drug addiction, seems like a foolish thing to do. But it also highlights the fact that the effect that opiates/opioids have on me is so profound (not soaring, orgasmic euphoria - more like serenity supreme) that I considered it worth doing - with some ground rules.
My use musn't put anyone out. If their are bills to pay, and then not enough for my opiates. Then no opiates. I suffer. I didn't beg or steal. When I was sick in WDs, I removed myself (when possible) so as to not put my irritability onto others. I did this fairly consistently for about five years.
Then, whether due to lethargy from the drugs, the fact that I was never high anymore, only maintain due to tolerance, or just substance-unrelated life circumstances (had a bumpy ride the last few years), I started to slip and I was more reluctant to let an electricity bill get priority over my next fix.
the nail in the coffin was when the amounts i was taking didn't help like they used to, and I found that i was often feeling kind of dull inside, I decided to try other drugs to shake things up a bit. Psychedelics were fine, and I was well-versed in thier use before i ever touched am opiate. It was the stims. I don't even really enjoy stims that much, but a little bit of this or that counteracted the tiredness from the opiates.
Then I tried this, that, and the other. Bit too much one night and was feeling very off. Someone had a benzo on hand. Enter the second part of the downfall.
So, now I'm dependent on opiates to function, stims to get up and move, and benzos to control the anxiety from the stims and also to get to sleep.
Not sustainable, clearly.
Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment I am quite adaptable and will try different ways of living. In fact, I've done that a few times already.
The problem now is the absolute, total, undeniable, lack of motivation. I cannot for the life of me think of anything to spur me on. I feel really awful in saying that, because I know that buried inside me is a HUGE mass of guilt at the trauma I have caused my girlfriend (two ODs last year, and she was there for them both - saved my life the second time) and the loss of respect from my brother who I am very close to.
I feel them buried inside, but negative feelings like guilt, shame, fear.... these have never motivated me.
Anyway, I think I've just about wrapped up my life story. So, for those interested, the (tele)movie will be out early next year.
I will have to check out suboxone, becuase for some reason I was biased toward methadone. I guess, if I"m honest, I wanted something that would get me at least a bit stoned. You see, I don't want to stop using opiates. Everything else can go, but nothing had ever worked better in lifting me out of the fog than opiates. Of course I abused them and the magic went away (mostly), but whenever I go through stages of balance and moderate use... those are the golden periods. I've had a good few, too.
Life has just ground me down over the last 18 months or so, and I gave in. Actually making the decision to move into full-blown dependency as a daily user, knowing very well how people are effected by drug addiction, seems like a foolish thing to do. But it also highlights the fact that the effect that opiates/opioids have on me is so profound (not soaring, orgasmic euphoria - more like serenity supreme) that I considered it worth doing - with some ground rules.
My use musn't put anyone out. If their are bills to pay, and then not enough for my opiates. Then no opiates. I suffer. I didn't beg or steal. When I was sick in WDs, I removed myself (when possible) so as to not put my irritability onto others. I did this fairly consistently for about five years.
Then, whether due to lethargy from the drugs, the fact that I was never high anymore, only maintain due to tolerance, or just substance-unrelated life circumstances (had a bumpy ride the last few years), I started to slip and I was more reluctant to let an electricity bill get priority over my next fix.
the nail in the coffin was when the amounts i was taking didn't help like they used to, and I found that i was often feeling kind of dull inside, I decided to try other drugs to shake things up a bit. Psychedelics were fine, and I was well-versed in thier use before i ever touched am opiate. It was the stims. I don't even really enjoy stims that much, but a little bit of this or that counteracted the tiredness from the opiates.
Then I tried this, that, and the other. Bit too much one night and was feeling very off. Someone had a benzo on hand. Enter the second part of the downfall.
So, now I'm dependent on opiates to function, stims to get up and move, and benzos to control the anxiety from the stims and also to get to sleep.
Not sustainable, clearly.
Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment
I am quite adaptable and will try different ways of living. In fact, I've done that a few times already. The problem now is the absolute, total, undeniable, lack of motivation. I cannot for the life of me think of anything to spur me on. I feel really awful in saying that, because I know that buried inside me is a HUGE mass of guilt at the trauma I have caused my girlfriend (two ODs last year, and she was there for them both - saved my life the second time) and the loss of respect from my brother who I am very close to.
I feel them buried inside, but negative feelings like guilt, shame, fear.... these have never motivated me.
Anyway, I think I've just about wrapped up my life story. So, for those interested, the (tele)movie will be out early next year.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
Have a question for a mate who wants some advice.
He's been taking .50mg (quarter bar) of Xanax a day for 5 months (not a huge amount), and wants to stop. It's not prescribed FYI.
What would be a safe way to do this? He also has a supply of Valium he was thinking of using to help any withdrawals.
I have my thoughts on this, but would like to get some more feedback to pass onto him.
He's been taking .50mg (quarter bar) of Xanax a day for 5 months (not a huge amount), and wants to stop. It's not prescribed FYI.
What would be a safe way to do this? He also has a supply of Valium he was thinking of using to help any withdrawals.
I have my thoughts on this, but would like to get some more feedback to pass onto him.
deemags
Greenlighter
Hey I'm new here, just registered yesterday. Hi everyone ...
I've been doing opiates for some time now (5 years) but strictly been using heroin for the past year (IVing for the past 6 months). I have some methadone that I would like to use to do a short term taper. I am DEF not interested in MMT. Any suggestions on what dosage to start, how many days? I do between a bundle to 2 bundles a day. I'm starting nursing school the end of Jan so I would like to be clean by the end of November so that by the time I start school I'm sleeping normal again and my brain has had some time to readjust to being drug-free. Any info you guys can offer would be greatly appreciated. I'm really looking forward to actually for once living a normal life and not having to worry about how to get money and if I'm gonna be sick and all he horrible things that come along with this horrible addiction. Thanks so much guys in advance
...I've been doing opiates for some time now (5 years) but strictly been using heroin for the past year (IVing for the past 6 months). I have some methadone that I would like to use to do a short term taper. I am DEF not interested in MMT. Any suggestions on what dosage to start, how many days? I do between a bundle to 2 bundles a day. I'm starting nursing school the end of Jan so I would like to be clean by the end of November so that by the time I start school I'm sleeping normal again and my brain has had some time to readjust to being drug-free. Any info you guys can offer would be greatly appreciated. I'm really looking forward to actually for once living a normal life and not having to worry about how to get money and if I'm gonna be sick and all he horrible things that come along with this horrible addiction. Thanks so much guys in advance