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Quitting Suboxone - What's my best bet here?

Pupills.......

Adderall is not related structurally. . but it effects the same part of the brain as suboxone. .. suboxone is different from other opioids because it releases Dopamine (in the reward "pleasure" center" of your brain)
Now adderall won't help with the physical side effects... in fact it may make them worse... but it'll ease the emotional/psycological dependence and it will also PUSH your body through withdrawal much much faster.
 
motiv311 said:
Pupills.......

Adderall is not related structurally. . but it effects the same part of the brain as suboxone. .. suboxone is different from other opioids because it releases Dopamine (in the reward "pleasure" center" of your brain)
Now adderall won't help with the physical side effects... in fact it may make them worse... but it'll ease the emotional/psycological dependence and it will also PUSH your body through withdrawal much much faster.
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1. adderall and bupe do not work on the same part of the brain in any way what so ever

2. suboxone is not different then other opioids besides being a partial agonist

3. adderall will not ease the emotional/psychological dependence on any other drug and won't "push your body" to deal with withdrawal (receptor site upregulation) any faster
 
nervousone said:
1. adderall and bupe do not work on the same part of the brain in any way what so ever

2. suboxone is not different then other opioids besides being a partial agonist

3. adderall will not ease the emotional/psychological dependence on any other drug and won't "push your body" to deal with withdrawal (receptor site upregulation) any faster
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Some people get an AD type of effect when taking sub, Adderall is always an effective AD for soe people

Sub is way different, Its been show to cause an enoous increas in receptor sites due to it's unique ode of action. Listen to the podcast by the florida detox Dr that is not pro sub, he tells it exactly like it is. Some scary stuff, he will not keep any of his patients on it for more than 3 weeks.

I'm sure your right, and only time will repair the changes in the brain abusing opiates causes. There are more than a few people that find adderall, vyvanse helps tremendously, provided substituting addictions is avoided. My wds/paws were lessened signifigantly while taking vyvanse. The sub Dr that runs his own web site often perscribes a few weeks of vyvanse to help his patients after the jump. Weird huh.
 
sid3 said:
Some people get an AD type of effect when taking sub, Adderall is always an effective AD for soe people

Sub is way different, Its been show to cause an enoous increas in receptor sites due to it's unique ode of action. Listen to the podcast by the florida detox Dr that is not pro sub, he tells it exactly like it is. Some scary stuff, he will not keep any of his patients on it for more than 3 weeks.

I'm sure your right, and only time will repair the changes in the brain abusing opiates causes. There are more than a few people that find adderall, vyvanse helps tremendously, provided substituting addictions is avoided. My wds/paws were lessened signifigantly while taking vyvanse. The sub Dr that runs his own web site often perscribes a few weeks of vyvanse to help his patients after the jump. Weird huh.
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Only an idiotic/moronic doctor would prescribe a stimulant to assist in opiate withdrawal.
 
Taper slowly off of buprenorphine, don't use full agonists to cope with the withdrawal. That's your best bet.

It's not moronic to prescribe stimulants to people who need them, and that could certainly be ex-opiate addicts. That's not to say they are useful to all recovering opiate addicts though.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Taper slowly off of buprenorphine, don't use full agonists to cope with the withdrawal. That's your best bet.

It's not moronic to prescribe stimulants to people who need them, and that could certainly be ex-opiate addicts. That's not to say they are useful to all recovering opiate addicts though.
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name 5 instances when it is wise for an opiate addict undergoing withdrawal to be prescribed an additional stimulant. link to relevant adjourning medical journal cases.
 
nervousone said:
name 5 instances when it is wise for an opiate addict undergoing withdrawal to be prescribed an additional stimulant. link to relevant adjourning medical journal cases.
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Why would there need to be 5 instances???

As I said, it's not beneficial for everyone. Not everyone needs to be on ADHD medication.

I can tell that heroin use, for me, was a form of self-medication for ADHD. Having d-amphetamine or d-methamphetamine as a medicine would be highly beneficial for me, and it has helped me a lot in getting over heroin addiction. Other amphetamine based stimulants, such as 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (colloquially, MDA) have helped out tremendously as well.

Many people with ADHD battle with drug addiction/dependency either as a means to self-medicate ADHD symptoms, or to manage the disorder directly. It happens, it's not infrequent.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Why would there need to be 5 instances???

As I said, it's not beneficial for everyone. Not everyone needs to be on ADHD medication.
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if you want to speak from a medical standpoint rather then an IV drug user stand point, you should be able to name at least a couple instances where am amphetamine-based stimulant has some advantage in quitting an opiate agonist. <snip>

you are suggesting a solution that is contradictory to common medical knowledge, if you are suggesting such a thing you should at least be able to explain your motivation preferably with a link to an applicable medical case

unless you like to recommend scheduled drugs to people withdrawing from opiates "just cause" and with no true medical purposes (except euphoria)
 
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nervousone said:
you are suggesting a solution that is contradictory to common medical knowledge
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No, I said it's not right for everyone.

As for what the OP was discussing, I advised them to taper off of buprenorphine itself, slowly, and to not use full agonist opiates to cope with any lingering withdrawal-like symptoms.

I did not advise them to take any other drugs than they already are.
 
nervousone said:
if you want to speak from a medical standpoint rather then an IV drug user stand point, you should be able to name at least a couple instances where am amphetamine-based stimulant has some advantage in quitting an opiate agonist.

you are suggesting a solution that is contradictory to common medical knowledge, if you are suggesting such a thing you should at least be able to explain your motivation preferably with a link to an applicable medical case

unless you like to recommend scheduled drugs to people withdrawing from opiates "just cause" and with no true medical purposes (except euphoria)
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Who mentioned euphoria? Euphoria isnt even relevent when theuraputec doses of stims are perscribed. The stigma your placing on addicts isn't surprising, seeing it on BL is.
 
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nervousone said:
if you want to speak from a medical standpoint rather then an IV drug user stand point, you should be able to name at least a couple instances where am amphetamine-based stimulant has some advantage in quitting an opiate agonist. if you are unable to name such a situation with or without a link to a medical journal you are showing your opinion to be nothing more then that of a run-of-the-mill junkie

you are suggesting a solution that is contradictory to common medical knowledge, if you are suggesting such a thing you should at least be able to explain your motivation preferably with a link to an applicable medical case

unless you like to recommend scheduled drugs to people withdrawing from opiates "just cause" and with no true medical purposes (except euphoria)
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Dude you're on a high horse and you should step down.

Back your shit up with medical links if you want to be like that. Where's all the articles that defend your opinion?
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but please remember to be respectful, and open to the opinions of others. And USE THE REPORT button when you see apost that you feel crosses the line or breaks the TDS Guidelines or BLUA.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Why would there need to be 5 instances???

As I said, it's not beneficial for everyone. Not everyone needs to be on ADHD medication.

I can tell that heroin use, for me, was a form of self-medication for ADHD. Having d-amphetamine or d-methamphetamine as a medicine would be highly beneficial for me, and it has helped me a lot in getting over heroin addiction. Other amphetamine based stimulants, such as 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (colloquially, MDA) have helped out tremendously as well.

Many people with ADHD battle with drug addiction/dependency either as a means to self-medicate ADHD symptoms, or to manage the disorder directly. It happens, it's not infrequent.
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Same with me Captain. I think opiates have a weird focusing calming effect that is more effective for ADD than ADD meds usually are. A lot of people who are ADHD are more likely to use opiates for a long period of time.

Nervouseone.... .I dont see what your problem is? ? I said adderall, in my experience helped me quite suboxone. Adderall effects dopamine, so does suboxone. Adderall won't help the physical side effects, but may be helpful for the emotional backlash of withdrawal.

I have been clean for over two years now (from suboxone :)) and adderall helped. My 2 cents.
 
I can usually jump from 2 mg's and feel fine. I start w 4mg and taper quickly in 4-7 days. all I get is a few stomach issues on day 4-7 after jumping but thats it. trick is not to stay on them so long.

opiate habit was 100 mg a day roxy habit. orally.
 
I can't say that taking Wellbutrin (technically a stimulant) helped with "quitting" H, but it sure as hell made me feel motivation after the w/d's and when paws would have been present.
 
motiv311 said:
Same with me Captain. I think opiates have a weird focusing calming effect that is more effective for ADD than ADD meds usually are. A lot of people who are ADHD are more likely to use opiates for a long period of time.

Nervouseone.... .I dont see what your problem is? ? I said adderall, in my experience helped me quite suboxone. Adderall effects dopamine, so does suboxone. Adderall won't help the physical side effects, but may be helpful for the emotional backlash of withdrawal.

I have been clean for over two years now (from suboxone :)) and adderall helped. My 2 cents.
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I'm glad to hear that man! I have been clean for a similar amount of time. I definitely agree with you though that people with ADD/ADHD are more likely to use/abuse opiates. I'm starting to notice now that life on heroin was seemingly like a breeze, but now I am still struggling with a lot of the problems I had before I started using heroin. I am still overall better off, but I don't think I have found many tools similar to heroin in efficacy with dealing with having ADD/ADHD. The tools I do have, most of them are not suitable for daily use. I use buprenorphine daily because I find that if you are careful to keep to low dosing, you won't build an opiate tolerance, and it is mildly stimulating and helpful.
 
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