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Quitting Meth

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While I realize meth is easy to kick, due to "no physical symptoms," etc (to anyone whose DOC is not meth that is easy to say).
I have done it before. Quit meth. Pretty easy. It's not so much withdrawal that's the bitch.
It's that once you are done (unless something terrible has happened), you are left with the same life that led you into this.
Why wouldn't you go back to it? It's just a vicious cycle.
 
I don't think meth is easy to kick at all. It was my DOC for about 7 years, and I was using mostly everyday for the last couple of years. I quit countless times, and got back on countless times. You're right though, in that the withdrawal isn't always too bad - you can easily sleep away the first 3 days anyway. I don't think there's any one solution to staying off though. I especially don't think it takes a 'big event' - you know the things I mean, perhaps having a major health scare, being in a position to lose someone you love, or maybe crossing a line you swore you never would. I don't think those things are sustainable. A week or two down the track when you're craving hard, those things lose their poignancy, and if there's one thing addicts to well, it's justifying. It's easy to convince yourself you can use better this time, or hide it better, or whatever.

I think quitting long term requires something more subtle, maybe. For me, I suppose it was realising that if I continued, I'd already experienced the best in life. Using it was awesome, and I did really love the lifestyle. But..there was some part of me that thought, surely there's something else. I'd lived that meth life, I'd got all there was to get out of it. I knew that if I continued, though, nothing much would ever change. Each year would be predictable and like the last. I guess in a sense I just got bored of it - not of the drug, but of the lifestyle that surrounded it. It wasn't easy to quit. It took awhile til I felt vaguely 'normal'. Especially in the stages soon after quitting though, I think it's important to remember that the way you feel isn't indicative at all of how you'll feel for the rest of your life. Your brain will use every trick it can think of to make you go back. I think it helps to know that cravings are just a feeling - as bad as they feel, they are almost like an emotion, and they wont stay the same.

Are you planning to stop soon? Why? How long have you been using and what ROA? Good luck with it.
 
What? Who lied to you? Meth is NOT easy to quit. Heroin withdrawls, for example, although extremely bad, can be treated and minimized with the appropriate techniques. The problem with quitting Meth, Heroin, or any other drug/addiction for that matter is the MENTAL addiction. People don't have problems quitting tobacco or Heroin because of PHYSICAL addictions (it makes it harder, but not much harder), but because of MENTAL addictions.

And having said that, meth is one of if not THE MOST MENTALLY addictive substances there is. I'd say in general (obviously not true for everyone), quitting meth is the HARDEST drug to quit.
 
...spiral... said:
Why wouldn't you go back to it?
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*snip*c'mon, Captain... you knew this part wasn't appropriate*snip* and there are better life experiences to be had that don't involve using methamphetamine.

LogicAndReason said:
And having said that, meth is one of if not THE MOST MENTALLY addictive substances there is. I'd say in general (obviously not true for everyone), quitting meth is the HARDEST drug to quit.
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Disagree entirely from my personal experience. It'll vary person to person significantly.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
Because *snip* there are better life experiences to be had that don't involve using methamphetamine.



Disagree entirely from my personal experience. It'll vary person to person significantly.
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Did you not even read what I wrote? Read the last sentence again, paying SPECIAL attention to the part in the parenthesis.
 
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Hey there ...spiral..., I think this is a very honest question you have, and I'd like to provide as honest a response as I can!
I think you truly hit the taproot of your internal conflict with this telling question and statement:

...spiral... said:
Why wouldn't you go back to it? It's just a vicious cycle.
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In a sense, you answered your own question. People return to self-destructive lifestyles because they know of no other way to live, and are intimidated at the prospect of having to "start over," by which I mean learning to live and love life without chemical enhancement. I've shared in that intimidation. I know it well, and hope never to be there again in my life. But, as with all things, time brings clarity.

You have two options: One is to give in to temptation, relinquish the desire to live a more satisfying life and willfully re-enter the cycle. The other is to bring yourself to stand before periodic discomfort while your body and brain regain equilibrium. This period is the one that addicts have the most difficulty with; it may involve recurrent drug dreams, cravings, etc. You are probably familiar with these as well as other things one may encounter in the attempt to get clean. As an old saying goes, though, "Take care of the body; the mind will follow." Never moreso is this true of finding rehabilitation and sanctuary from drug abuse.

I'm glad you came here with this question... you are up against a challenge, and by questioning the solution, you are already beginning to choose the right path :)
 
My name is K im 25. I'm a recovering meth addict. I've been clean for a month. But I was an IV user and keep my addiction hidden from everyone a long time. But now I wanna get high so nad that I'm shooting my lorazepam and seroquel. I don't know what to do I'm so losted and hurting. I wanna get high so I can escape from me. Meth has taken
everything away from me. College, my kids, my husband, my family and friends. But yet I still want it. I don't know what to do? I've also made myself crazy im bipolar and to make matters worst i hear voices and see things. I never use to be like this. What happen to me?
 
Any drug can be the most mentally addictive substance for a person. Because it takes them to their comfort zone and gives them a sense of pleasure. You cannot generalize and say meth is the most mentally addictive for everyone because some people can't stand the crash and jitters on it so one time is good enough for them to stop. Any persons true drug of choice is the most mentally addictive because once they quit they are left with the boredom of their life and the guilt they have. How ever opiates and benzos take it to another level because the withdrawals almost force you back even though you don't want anymore : p Feel me?
 
...spiral... said:
It's that once you are done (unless something terrible has happened), you are left with the same life that led you into this.
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You're right.. However, the key is to actively take steps to change that life. If you're doing the same shit and not experiencing life and all the shit is has to offer like good friends, girlfriends, hobbies, a good job, etc.. it's very easy to fall back to what you know.. especially because you're probably quite depressed about your entire situation. But you can't sit around feeling sorry for yourself and how bad your life sucks.. because it's going to keep sucking until you are really ready to change it and only you know that. The people I know that got clean and stayed that way did it because they were just done.. They were tired of it all and they got clean for them, not for anybody else. You have to want it with every fiber of your being and when you do... things start to work themselves out, but it takes effort.. a lot of it.
 
F1n1shed said:
Any drug can be the most mentally addictive substance for a person. Because it takes them to their comfort zone and gives them a sense of pleasure. You cannot generalize and say meth is the most mentally addictive for everyone because some people can't stand the crash and jitters on it so one time is good enough for them to stop. Any persons true drug of choice is the most mentally addictive because once they quit they are left with the boredom of their life and the guilt they have. How ever opiates and benzos take it to another level because the withdrawals almost force you back even though you don't want anymore : p Feel me?
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I never said meth was the most addictive for everyone. Work on reading comprehension, please. I said, out of ALL the drugs, the most addictive IN GENERAL (NOT FOR EVERYONE...I repeat...NOT FOR EVERYONE) is meth. Yes, for SOME people, heroin is the most addictive...for SOME people Cocaine is...for SOME people E is....for SOME people LSD is...get it yet?

IN GENERAL, METH IS THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUG THERE IS. I did not make it this way. I'm merely a logical observer observing the way that it is.
 
Quitting Meth:

1) Tools: Vyvanse, wellbutrin, buspar, L-tryptophan, L-Tyrosine, Melatonin, (Other more advanced supplements) and food.
2. Activities: Exercise, Socialize, Sleep, Eat, and/or any hobby that you enjoyed before your addiction.
3. People: Your family, close friends, people who were friends before your addiction, basically anyone who will not bring the idea into your head.

Use vyvanse to be productive. Only redose on vyvanse once.
Use L-tryptophan the moment the effects of vyvanse begin to fade. Tryptophan has a tendency of improving the effects of amphetamine.
Use wellbutrin on days when vyvanse is not available or if you wish to avoid taking amphetamine.
Use Buspar accompanied with Melatonin and/or DPH at night to help maximize upregulation and neuroregeneration.
Use L-tyrosine either in the morning or before bed.

So that looks like a bunch of drugs to quit a drug right? It's really not. The idea here with this method is that it allows the user to maintain an emotionally stable, craving free mindset for long enough to move on. At the end of things, the person should be able to come off vyvanse and feel pretty normal.

Ultimately, if you put enough time and effort into building bonds with non-drug users and fill your time up to not having much free time, relapsing will be less likely.
 
I found removing myself from other users was absolutely critical... Also helps if you can only get shit gear but that probably isn't an option.
 
Agree with you, L&R, that it is the most addictive (for those of us who like it)...
I think largely because it doesn't seem like it should be (no "physical addiction").
The "not a big deal" factor is almost the worst thing, if that makes sense.
My ROA is smoking, which lends itself to repetitive behavior at the best of times.

I am in the first 10 days of quitting. Using under a year, smoking. Almost daily the past 3 months.
I am quitting because I have a lot to lose and I know I have to stop.

I didn't use for over 6 years before this last time. Before that it was 2 years use (daily at the end).
Nothing drastic compared to some. But it's almost more discouraging because I have done it before and then walked right back in.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments L&R and footscrazy, & anyone else I failed to mention...
 
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Hey guys,

Please keep it civil. This spat appears to have resulted from a simple miscommunication; regardless, please re-route and keep this thread on topic.

Thank you!
 
...spiral... said:
It's that once you are done (unless something terrible has happened), you are left with the same life that led you into this.
Why wouldn't you go back to it? It's just a vicious cycle.
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I think it's a shame this thread has veered away from addressing this up here rather than subjective arguments over who's addiction is worse. Some posters have already noted that whether your DOC is heroin or meth there is always the problem articulated above.

OP, I have a different evaluation of kicking meth: I don't think it is easy, and I believe you should congratulate yourself for doing so. Yes, it does get somewhat easier when you've had a habit to deal w/ the comedowns, but psychologically it is hellish moving away from using the drug, especially after you've crashed. After the initial kick, at least for me, I felt a lot of anxiety when I went out to socialize. In addition, I felt a fuzziness and everything had an opaque quality for a time. Meth is not w/o its travails when you quit, physically, emotionally, and cognitively; this goes for the initial jump, and the staying abstinent.

You are going to need to come up w/ a concrete plan to augment your life in a way where using doesn't seem appealing. In your own way, find things which don't coincide w/ your using, things which are incompatible and compromised by meth use. Ideally, these things will serve not just as counterpoints and deterrents, but as building blocks toward lasting happiness and contentment. Try starting w/ and hobbies, goals, or pass times you have/had. If you have none currently, think back to before meth/substance abuse and survey the activities you enjoyed then. If still pressed for solutions, strive to induct people who don't use into your life and see what works for them. This will establish a healthy social life for you as well - which I find essential to my well-being.

Please everybody: it is not productive to get into a battle over who has it worse, or who's DOC is the most addictive. We're all individuals, and despite statistics and science, we all react differently to these things. Let's just try to stay supportive :)
 
Remember to get back into your hobbies/activities/exercises as much as possible when quitting. You will find joy in these activities again in due time and before you know it you will be enjoying yourself a lot without needing to use a drug. :)

It's also good to make sure you're getting in a well balanced diet, getting enough sleep, as well as showering and brushing your
 
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