^ Yes, unfortunately any gabagenic drug runs the risk of dependence and tolerance.
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^ Yes, unfortunately any gabagenic drug runs the risk of dependence and tolerance.
yeah it just keeps getting better lol, I have read stories upon stories of dependency from Tramadol. On another site I read about a man that was taking 36 50mg pills a day, NO JOKE. I know this sounds very far fetched and I dont know how they take to linking in this forum, but its out there if you search for dependency from Tramadol. I am not that worried about it becuase when I do take 2 with baclofen it makes me feel better, do able NOT amazing but do able.
Pagey
Bluelight Crew
I really think you should talk to your doctor about all that rather than attempting to self-medicate, as any drug user will tell you that's a dangerous road to go down. If your doctor isn't listening to your saying that these pain meds aren't providing enough relief, maybe you should try to see someone else...no reason you should have to live in constant pain. I do want to stress it's not safe for you to try to remedy to that on your own though.
Is there any kind of therapy you can do in parallel to work on relieving at least some of the pain in a more natural way?
Is there any kind of therapy you can do in parallel to work on relieving at least some of the pain in a more natural way?
Well Pagey please do not take this the wrong way. I respect your opinion but I think you are reading me wrong. I just wanted some advice, whether or not I do any of the advice given to me is MY choice no one elses. So I take full responsibility
I have spoken to the doctor and they say just keep doing it, it will work lol. They also hjust recently put in a referral for pain clinic next Friday. I get steroid shots in my knee, which HELPS the day of, thats about it. I do some good meditation, but that doesnt always work so well. I also was told to work out, go for a jog cause my HDL is horrible as well my LDL and tryglycirdes. I wish I could show you a picture of me. I am in great shape, but I cant do any kind of work outs. It either hurts my back or knees. Dont know what to do in this situation. They give me statins WHICH ARE A NIGHTMARE man. I dont know what else to do. I have seen over 47 doctors in the past year with all the same results.
Pagey
Bluelight Crew
Well Pagey please do not take this the wrong way. I respect your opinion but I think you are reading me wrong. I just wanted some advice, whether or not I do any of the advice given to me is MY choice no one elses. So I take full responsibility
I also was told to work out, go for a jog cause my HDL is horrible as well my LDL and tryglycirdes. I wish I could show you a picture of me. I am in great shape, but I cant do any kind of work outs. It either hurts my back or knees. Dont know what to do in this situation. They give me statins WHICH ARE A NIGHTMARE man. I dont know what else to do. I have seen over 47 doctors in the past year with all the same results.
Nono I got what you meant, maybe I just wasn't clear enough in my answer. I'm also in dreadful constant pain due to problems unrelated to yours but still relevant, I tried to take care of the pain myself when the meds my doctor was prscribing weren't helpful enough and I only ended up screwing myself over. I recently went back to the doctor's and explained just how horrible it was for me and my meds have been changed to some more appropriate ones, and I can feel the difference already. So I do stand by my point that the best is to trust expert opinions.
I'm glad to hear you're getting referred to a pain clinic.
I concur, I took the Tramadol instantly with the gaba today and it did make a world of difference. Ill just wait and see if they give me that corpriosol
Yeah I am too, I have heard some horror stories about the VA pain clinic since they are all residents and med students that some guy behind a desk NON dr talks to these residents and gives his recommendations. That doesnt sit to well with me, but I guess well wait and see
I do have a SERIOUS question and hope someone can answer. If I am on meds that RAISES my seizure threshold, WILL i automatically be at that after a long time of taking them? In essence lets say avcerage is 300mg of Tramadol, seizure.I take the meds brings me up to 500. NOW, oh shit I forgot to take the meds, wouldnt happen but saying, will i have a seizure? I know this is hard to say as its different for each person. Will the meds automaticallty make my body have a higher seizure threshold if i stop after 4 years?
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figured as much, ty
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
What Chromophobia said, plus I am wondering if you are getting confused by the term "raising" the seizure threshold? Tramadol lowers the seizure threshold, which means it makes you more likely to have a seizure. Gabapentin (generally - *occasionally a person will have a paradoxical effect) raises the seizure threshold, which means that it makes you less likely to have a seizure. I know the terms are confusing.
A medication that increases the likelihood of seizures should only do so while that drug is active in your system, however a drug that decreases your likelihood of a seizure can actually increase your likelihood of a seizure when you stop taking it if you have become physically dependent to that drug. For example GABA-ergic drugs like benzos, one of the withdrawal symptoms is seizures.
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As to the rest of your thread, am I correct in understanding that the main advice you wanted was about taking the drugs you are prescribed in combination and what interactions that will have (better pain relief, worse pain relief, side effects)?
spot on! Also, so the gaba if i just quit using it I COULD essentially start having siezures and being im on tramadol this again will worsen the case since its lowering it causing more chances of it happening
^ If you stop using the baclofen, gabapentin or any other gabagenic drugs without tapering gradually, you run the risk of a seizure. Whether your in withdrawal from baclofen or in the process of tapering, the likelihood of tramadol provoking a seizure is much higher.
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
^Exactly.
see this is why i dont get it, they want to give me this shit to help me and you can have a seizure and DIE, when you stop taking oxy, vicodins, shit even illegal heroin you dont have half the risks of the prescribed medicine. I dont know why this is. I had oxy for 4 months while I got my knee operated on, I was told if I take gaba for 4 months or xanax for 4 months and just stop you can die. Something is wrong here and doesnt add up to me. I think NO Giving medicine to people who need it because of the risk of addiction, is moot. I understand their concern but what about the flipside of it and my concern for my pain. Seems like a double edge blade.
It's not guaranteed that it that you will have a seizure, but it happens.
As a general rule of thumb:
Implications of opioids < Implications of gabagenics
The debate on why doctors insist on prescribing 'non-opioid/non-narcotic' drugs is a long discussion, one which is definitely unethical. Somewhere along the lines that there are a myriad of opioids (many of which are cheap and generic) to chose from, while the next new drug is patented and expensive. Doctors are gladly coerced into prescribing new pharmaceuticals if there is any financial gain to them. Win-win situation for both parties at the cost of the patients health.
You can still find good doctors though, ethical ones. The important thing is that your not afraid to politely question your doctors decisions, ask for explanations about your regimen, what your doctors long term intentions are, and not be intimidated by jargon (a doctors' favorite weapon) by educating yourself. Bluelight is a good start.
As a general rule of thumb:
Implications of opioids < Implications of gabagenics
The debate on why doctors insist on prescribing 'non-opioid/non-narcotic' drugs is a long discussion, one which is definitely unethical. Somewhere along the lines that there are a myriad of opioids (many of which are cheap and generic) to chose from, while the next new drug is patented and expensive. Doctors are gladly coerced into prescribing new pharmaceuticals if there is any financial gain to them. Win-win situation for both parties at the cost of the patients health.
You can still find good doctors though, ethical ones. The important thing is that your not afraid to politely question your doctors decisions, ask for explanations about your regimen, what your doctors long term intentions are, and not be intimidated by jargon (a doctors' favorite weapon) by educating yourself. Bluelight is a good start.
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this is probably one of the most intuitive pieces info i have read, its so stupid and is shit imo. The problem herein also goes into the VA all their doctors are TRAINED to not give out narcotics. This is fact, you can goggle that. And its just plain out stupid, FOR IE they gave me Gabapentin NOT for pain but for anxiety and if you look it up, its been proven in studies it does nothing at all for anxiety. Everything is OFF LABELED use. They gave me prazosin for sleep help, even though I DO HAVE ptsd this is NOT why they prescribed it to me. They also gave me Quetiapine which is another shit drug. Also lamotrigen (sp?), for anxiety which basically made me shit my pants.
^ I think the best advice anyone can really offer is to talk honestly with your doctor. If you still don't feel you are receiving adequate care, then I would start looking for someone new ASAP. While they seem far and few between, good doctors that put the patient first do exist.
I wish you the best in finding better care, and feeling better in general.
I wish you the best in finding better care, and feeling better in general.
TheLostBoys
Bluelighter
Most doctors imo are idiots when it comes to giving out pain meds........I read everything you stated about your pain & if I was in as much pain as you, I would have gone to a different doctor a long time ago because you are not receiving adequate pain relief by the pain meds you are taking.
For your pain, you should be on at least hydrocodone......Tramadol is a joke & I was prescribed that as well & it doesnt do jack for pain, at least for me it doesnt. I was on it for a few months & spoke to my doctor about it not working & I asked if hydrocodone would be a plausible next step & he agreed it would & started me on 5/325 & then jumped me to 10/325 after a year........ime, I am completely honest with my doctor & we have a good relationship & he listens..........not all doctors are as nice but it takes time to build a trusted relationship with your doctor.
If everything youve stated shows up in an MRI, your doctor should be able to give you more powerful narcotics............then again, not all doctors care about the pain you are in, hence, time to seek a new doctor.........as for the Tramadol, I use to take it as well with Baclofen & I dislike both! I rather take Soma with hydrocodone. I use to get dizzy spells with Baclofen & Tramadol, dont get them on Soma & Hydrocodone.............
Good luck in finding the right combination of pain meds.................
Ok, I'm not really here to debate the reasons of why doctors do what they do, and why they prescribe what they prescribe. Especially that in part, I'm not exactly sure what your driving at, and because I don't think it belongs in BDD. You've stated that you don't get what you want, you've switched 47 doctors in a short period of time, while also being puzzled as to why doctors do what they do and prescribe you drugs that are harmful to your health. I was simply offering my input as to why.
What your saying only reinforces my point. Your saying gabapentin gets prescribed off-label for anxiety, the manufacturers of that drug (pfizer) have had to pay settlements in the billions for both gabapentin and pregabalin for fraud in promoting these drugs for off-label uses, one of them being anxiety, which you yourself understand is an indication which it does not work for. The same goes for the manufacturers of seroquel (astrazeneca). These are facts, not things I've made up. So all in all, we've had to look no further than your cocktail of medications to identify that the drugs your beings prescribed have nothing to do with your diagnosis and only some offering benefit.
So while I'm saying doctors prescribe medications which don't work for other motivational factors, your saying doctors prescribe medications that don't work because they're trained to do so. Which makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. Doctors well know that gabapentin treats neuropathic pain and only that, doctors know that seroquel is only effective as an anti-psychotic, and doctors know that many of the drugs if not all carry much higher risks than opioids yet are less effective at treating pain in every respect.
I'm not saying there's a massive conspiracy going on for doctors not prescribe opioids, but in the end of the day medicine remains a business just like anything else in the world, and many doctors simply act as agents between you and the manufacturer even when it comes to opioids themselves. I would provide you with hundreds of links of books, articles, etc of doctors receiving kick-backs, medical education directly manipulated by pharmaceutical companies or continue this discussion with you via PM. Unfortunately though, using profanity has denied you the right of any further contributions from me to your thread.
Good luck.
i think your taking me wrong, I was saying YOU ARE Right, that wasnt me taking offense to what you said
I love you info its helpful nonetheless. I think I may have worded it wrong and tbh Lostboys, what type of civilian doctor should I even go with I wouldnt even know where to begin. See with the VA they give me one doctor and thats it.I was being phescious about it for the VA. Its all over the internet all the VAs dont like to give out pain meds period. They just give out weird medicines for off labeled use.
"So all in all, we've had to look no further than your cocktail of medications to identify that the drugs your beings prescribed have nothing to do with your diagnosis and only some offering benefit."
THIS IS SO TRUE. I just dont know what type of doctor I would go see and tell him all these problems.
I know there are like pain drs thats all they do is give out pain meds, im just trying to debate on what kind to see
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