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Quick Question about APAP. _New User

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ThrashMetal

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Hey all, How you doing? My name is NIck and this is my first post, But i have been reading here for about a year. I have a question that i have been searching for the answer to but I can't seem to find, Well a few actually.
Ill just list them off and thanks in advance for your help, You all are great and so freakin smart.


So i take about 4-6 pills a day, sometimes they are the popular watson "blues" sometimes they are M363 but ALWAYS hydrocodone/APAP and iv'e been doing this recreationally for about 2 1-2 yrs. There have been somedays where i party harder but most days just 4-6 to get me through work and play some video games and get loose when i come home... I never take more than 1 1/2 at a time and usually i wait about 2 hours inbetween doeses.

So my questions are this;

1. When i take my first dose its always <1000 mg APAP, does this get flushed out seperatly than my later doses or do the later doses make it harder for my body to purge the first dose?
2. so if i stay under 4000 mg a day, would i be safe for long term use like this?
3. im more-so worried about APAP than my addiction, how long would the body take to full purge all APAP? (like if i wantted not to pop any and flush out)
4. what would be signs of the APAP starting to do damage? EI: pain in side by where liver is? can that happen?


Thanks for everything, you guys rock and i have learned so much from this community about how to play safe, I really think its great and thanks again.


-Nick
 
Hi and welcome to Bluelight! I will try to answer your questions:

1. The effects of taking apap in a day are cumulative. Your liver is already working hard to metabolize the first dose when it gets hit with subsequent dosing and has to work even harder.
2. No, lately, in the US, they are even starting to say that 3000 mg is the daily max. Taking the max amount per day is not safe long term and will cause negative effects.
3. I do not know the answer to this question. The body is an efficient machine. I would imagine that if you took no more apap, it would take maybe a day or two to flush it out, but the past damage would still remain for awhile.
4. This can definitely happen. The bad part is that signs of liver damage like pain, yellowing of the skin all happen after critical damage has been done. In a true apap overdose, it can take almost three days before you notice any symptoms and by then the liver is messed up beyond repair.

Seriously, you don't want to play around with this. It is as simple as performing a cold water extraction on your pills. This will not remove all of the apap, but it will remove a significant amount. It is ridiculously easy to do and takes like five minutes. You need to do it, you really don't want to mess up your liver.

You can use the search engine to find many threads on this, but I will break it down for you. The principal is that apap is not fully soluble in cold water while opiate are. Take however many pills you want to use and grind them up. I use either a ped egg or just put something over them and smash them up really well with a meat mallet or something. Mix them really well in cold water, not icy cold but cold. I do not know the amount of water off the top of my head, you will have to look that up. I just take a water glass and fill it mid full. Then, take a t shirt that you have cut up for the purpose (there are many ideas what you can use, but I think the t shirt works best.) put the t shirt on top of another glass, make sue it is a little loose in the middle. Hold it on and slowly pour your solution through the shirt. You will be shocked the amount of solid goop that precipitate out onto the top of the shirt. This is the apap. I usually strain it back through again. Then, drink what you have left. It takes bitter as hell, some people mix it with juice or something.

This quick and easy process may save your life. It is worth doing every single time. You need your liver and you need it to be in good shape. Good luck to you. I would still recommend using the search function and searching for cold water extraction or CWE. There is a lot of useful info to be found there.
 
I took almost 4000mgs per day for only 8 days straight while drinking tons of water and eating well. No problems. On exactly the 4th day after the last hit of apap, i felt this bloated thing on my right upper abdomin and it was my liver which was inflamed or enlarged. I actually had to use ice packs to control the swelling. At one point it hurt to bend over. It didnt go away for almost 10 days after that. The liver is an amazing organ and in most cases can heal on its own but not if its working overtime. Long story short, Im fine and blood tests were negative.

You cant wait for signs or symptoms right away, or it could be too late. If you keep good dosing records and are getting high on the mgs then the only way to know is to stop cold turkey, all meds not even OTC, for 3 to 5 days and wait. You'll be glad you did.

If you want to do something to speed up the healing process besides drinking water then check out this webpage and only eat whats listed, Id like to think it saved my life... www.elitefitness.com/forum/diet-bodybuilding/foods-bad-good-your-liver-458005.html
 
I would be cautious with APAP but the recommended limit per 24Hrs in the UK is 4000mgs and 1000mgs every 4hrs, so whilst I don't doubt the above posters experience many people take that amount over extended periods of time with no ill effects, but is tough on your liver. I try to avoid too much APAP but at the moment I have pain and get prescribed Codeine and APAP tabs, it's not always convenient to remove the APAP so I'm just careful with the amount I take, I do get other pain meds without.

This isn't the forum to discuss how to get high but take the advice in the posts above and cut out all that APAP your liver will be much happier:)
 
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