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Questions regarding first time opiate use/alcohol dependancy....

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SilverDC4

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First of all, I understand this is a harm reduction site and I am well aware of the fact that mixing downers is very dangerous...

That being said, I am currently dependent on alcohol. I have to have multiple drinks throughout the day to avoid w/d symptoms. Lately I have developed an infatuation with opiates. I don't enjoy the way Marijuana makes me feel anymore, coke and speed give me anxiety (used to be my drugs of choice), and benzos I don't find to be euphoric at all (they just kill my memory). I have never fucked with opiates on a recreational level due to a codeine (allergy?) as a kid, which resulted in me breaking out in hives all over my body. That being said, I have been prescribed some form of opiate or synthetic opiate in the past, although I'm not sure which one, when I had my wisdom teeth removed, (just sayin, I'm sure as long as it isn't codeine I'm probably not going to experience any adverse histamine/allergic related reactions).

My question is, how dangerous would it be for an opiate virgin to take a small recreational dose (insufflated) of oxymorphone after drinking a few shots of liquor a couple of hours prior? The reason I ask is because, as I said, I feel like shit when I'm not drinking. Let's say I took 3 shots at 8am to take the edge off my w/d symptoms and "level me out", would it be a stupid idea to snort just enough oxymorphone around noon to take my opiate virginity, as long as I don't drink anymore while directly under the influence?
 
Just keep doing a line until you feel nice and yes that is safe its only a few drinks
 
No dose of oxymorphone is small for an opiate virgin, especially not with alcohol.

You are going in hot and that could land you in a real bad place.

If you have already taken it, please sit with someone that has a proper sense of judgment to watch you in case you plummet...

People who overdose accidentally usually can't call for help. Just saying.

Please consider the following:

Do not snort the oxymorphone.

Please post the dosage of the pill in question.
 
Just realize a "small dose" of insufflated oxymorphone is like 3 mg or less. When I was snorting that stuff I had a smallish tolerance (30 mg oxy to feel good) and I would get twisted off 10 mg insufflate, and that was sober, no alcohol added on. I have a friend who used opiates on prob ever few weeks and was able to do 20 mg of oxycodone with no problem, he snorted 10 mg of oxymorphone one night with a few beers, he was a big drinker, too. He got so sick from that and since then has vowed to never use opiates again (which I believe he has stuck to, maybe he did oxycodone a few times shortly after).
 
OP, as already posted, you're on dangerous ground here; using a very strong opiate (Ive heard Oxycodone is on par with heroin, strength-wise) whilst on another CNS depressant, especially one that is known to seriously impair judgement, inhibitions, and cause black-outs, could be very risky, and I'm talking emergency room risky. One major risk factor is that you have no opiate tolerance; the slightest miscalculation of such a strong opiate could easily put you into an overdose. In the spirit of HR, I honestly suggest you avoid taking Oxycodone while intoxicated, but you obviously want to do this, so it should be done safely.

First off, do you have access to a weaker opiate? I know you're allergic to codeine, but there are many other milder opiates which carry fewer risks of an accidental overdose. Also, the stronger the opiate you use, the more intense the high, meaning that addiction could be more of an possibility - although that's not to say milder opiates aren't also very addictive in their own right. You have an alcohol problem; having an opiate problem as well can ruin you're life completely; I've been there myself - you may want to really consider this before messing with opiates.

If its got to be Oxycodone, it's very important you use as small a dose as possible; it may even be worth doing an "allergy test" - taking a very small dose to guage the drugs strength and any adverse reactions you may experience. As somebody without a tolerance to opiates, you may be surprised to learn how strong an effect even a very light dose of Oxycodone will have on you. Also very important: if you're gonna use Oxycodone, it's very important you don't do it whilst heavily intoxicated to alcohol - you're judgment may be impaired enough to take a far larger dose than you can handle, not to mention the fact that if you're totally wasted on booze, you're really not gonna experience the full effects of an opiate anyway, making the the risk of wanting to re-dose more likely. Probably the most crucial advice PsychadelicJay suggested is to have somebody you trust as a sitter. You're considering a dangerous combination of drugs - trust me, you'll want somebody there for if things go badly.

Anyways, best of luck to you. Don't mean to repeat myself, but I would really think long and hard before playing around with opiates; alcoholism's a curse - alcoholism combined with opiate dependence is a fucking nightmare existence.
 
I was going to venture into this with an experienced opiate user, and from what I understood the opanas (oxymorphone) were very strong, which is what I was hoping for in regards to a first time experience. However, I do plan on doing this safely, and as excited as I am to experience my first real opiate high I think it would be in my best interest to not be drinking any alcohol, in any amount. I am currently attempting to taper down from drinking. Dammit alcohol dependency sucks. If I can get down to a few drinks per day comfortably then I may have to go ahead and dabble with the opiates, timed apart from my drinking so they aren't peaking in my bloodstream at the same time. It may not be a bad idea to try something a bit weaker than Opana, but I want as much of a glowing experience as I can get without having to stick a needle in my arm. Ideally I wouldn't be dependent on alcohol so I wouldn't be having this dilemma, but knowing what I know about mixing downers I figured it'd be a good idea to have an educated discussion with someone before I just dove into the world of opiates
 
SilverDC4 said:
I was going to venture into this with an experienced opiate user, and from what I understood the opanas (oxymorphone) were very strong, which is what I was hoping for in regards to a first time experience. However, I do plan on doing this safely, and as excited as I am to experience my first real opiate high I think it would be in my best interest to not be drinking any alcohol, in any amount. I am currently attempting to taper down from drinking. Dammit alcohol dependency sucks. If I can get down to a few drinks per day comfortably then I may have to go ahead and dabble with the opiates, timed apart from my drinking so they aren't peaking in my bloodstream at the same time. It may not be a bad idea to try something a bit weaker than Opana, but I want as much of a glowing experience as I can get without having to stick a needle in my arm. Ideally I wouldn't be dependent on alcohol so I wouldn't be having this dilemma, but knowing what I know about mixing downers I figured it'd be a good idea to have an educated discussion with someone before I just dove into the world of opiates
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We believe here at bluelight that you are entitled to an educated decision.

I am always grateful for a community of people to come together and help each other use safely.

You indeed are a part of this. We are glad you decided to ask.

Please stay safe.
 
Update: Pharms are impossible to find right now, and very pricey if at all available. My buddy has a friend coming in from NY bringing some of the finest dope you will ever find in this area (probably hype I know, but I'm not from an urban area and the general consensus is the heroin here sucks). I know I know, jumping straight to heroin when I've never used an opiate recreationally might not be the smartest idea, but apart from being stepped on my honest to god opinion is that street drugs get a bad rep for unfair reasons. I may be naive, but I have a friend highly addicted to oxycodone, and I find it ironic how he scoffs at the idea of heroin so much "I would never use that man that's for junkies." Anyways, I digress... Spare me your addiction lectures, please, because I am all too familiar with the road (although not with opiates) and I am fully aware of the risks here.

Anyways, my question is if I plan on snorting the H, (the bag will be 0.1g; 100mg) I assume, and I was wondering how much I should snort at first. My buddy will be using intravenously but I have no interest in that right now, and I would like to get a second opinion on dosing before I take his advice alone. I also plan on having a couple of drinks a few hours prior. Being an opiate virgin, my goal is to not take too much, I just want a nice buzz to test the waters.
 
We still are going to warn you of addiction anyway. Its a steep and pricy road.

Do a nice small bump. Wait for for a good while to hit your plateau. If it is still not strong enough you can do another one.

Repeat till you are good... No need to overdo it.
 
Would a small bump be the size of a "match head" as referred to around here or would it be smaller?
 
Well, I ended up having to get a bag of some lesser quality heroin, and according to my friend it's only good IV'ed. I guess he's right. He said he IV's two bags of the stuff in one shot, so I'd assume it must be weak. I snorted small bumps of the the bag for the sake of HR, but quickly ended up sniffing the whole thing. No euphoria. No itching. No vomiting. Just a slight tired and mellow feeling. I also have had no desire to drink, which I find odd, because I am an alcoholic and crave alcohol like a mofo, especially considering I've only had 3 drinks today. Normally I would be highly anxious right now because of the alcohol w/d but I feel relaxed. It definitely wasn't the glowing experience I had hoped for. I'm going to give it an hour and a half and then I'm going to sip on a beer
 
I got some perc 10s the other day, 20mg gives me a relaxed feeling, itching, and very mild euphoria. I like to drink, so my question is, how long after dosing 20 mg (5mg insufflated and 15mg chewed) would it be safe to drink a beer slowly? I have a high alcohol tolerance, no opiate tolerance. At these doses I'd assume 1 beer and 20mg oxycodone would be safe, even with the APAP, but I just want to be sure
 
SilverDC4 said:
First of all, I understand this is a harm reduction site and I am well aware of the fact that mixing downers is very dangerous...

That being said, I am currently dependent on alcohol. I have to have multiple drinks throughout the day to avoid w/d symptoms. Lately I have developed an infatuation with opiates. I don't enjoy the way Marijuana makes me feel anymore, coke and speed give me anxiety (used to be my drugs of choice), and benzos I don't find to be euphoric at all (they just kill my memory). I have never fucked with opiates on a recreational level due to a codeine (allergy?) as a kid, which resulted in me breaking out in hives all over my body. That being said, I have been prescribed some form of opiate or synthetic opiate in the past, although I'm not sure which one, when I had my wisdom teeth removed, (just sayin, I'm sure as long as it isn't codeine I'm probably not going to experience any adverse histamine/allergic related reactions).

My question is, how dangerous would it be for an opiate virgin to take a small recreational dose (insufflated) of oxymorphone after drinking a few shots of liquor a couple of hours prior? The reason I ask is because, as I said, I feel like shit when I'm not drinking. Let's say I took 3 shots at 8am to take the edge off my w/d symptoms and "level me out", would it be a stupid idea to snort just enough oxymorphone around noon to take my opiate virginity, as long as I don't drink anymore while directly under the influence?
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Oxymorphone is pretty potent. I remember the first time I tried it. I was far from opiate naive.

I sniffed about 10 mgs and I asked the hookup if I could stay there for a bit because I felt uncomfortable driving. Dude was said "I know right, them shits is strong." Now this is back when they had the ir pills.

Anyways oxycodone and oxymorphone are not codeine based. Now I don't think you should take that info to the bank and think it is safe entirely. But on the flip side I had a friend get nasty hives the first time he did OC. He was not allergic. The opiate itches were too much for him. They MAY have been what happened to you as a child.

If it was me, I would just start slow and preferably sober if you have to do this. Opiates can make you phsyically dependent, just like alcohol btw. Can really fuck up your life, but obviously they can make you feel very good. I have mixed feelings about opiates because of what happened to me.

But yeah take a small part of a pill when you are sober or sober as you get, if you have made up your mind to use opiates. I cannot recomend them. I do not hate them. I actually like them. I did end up sticking a needle in my arm all day everyday for five years hence my mixed feelings about opiates.

I am neither a doctor or a responsible person so I hope you take my advice with a grain of salt here.
 
dopemaster said:
Oxymorphone is pretty potent. I remember the first time I tried it. I was far from opiate naive.

I sniffed about 10 mgs and I asked the hookup if I could stay there for a bit because I felt uncomfortable driving. Dude was said "I know right, them shits is strong." Now this is back when they had the ir pills.

Anyways oxycodone and oxymorphone are not codeine based. Now I don't think you should take that info to the bank and think it is safe entirely. But on the flip side I had a friend get nasty hives the first time he did OC. He was not allergic. The opiate itches were too much for him. They MAY have been what happened to you as a child.

If it was me, I would just start slow and preferably sober if you have to do this. Opiates can make you phsyically dependent, just like alcohol btw. Can really fuck up your life, but obviously they can make you feel very good. I have mixed feelings about opiates because of what happened to me.

But yeah take a small part of a pill when you are sober or sober as you get, if you have made up your mind to use opiates. I cannot recomend them. I do not hate them. I actually like them. I did end up sticking a needle in my arm all day everyday for five years hence my mixed feelings about opiates.

I am neither a doctor or a responsible person so I hope you take my advice with a grain of salt here.
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Well, I've discovered recently that I'm not allergic to heroin or oxycodone. My question now is what is a stupid amount of opiates/alcohol to combine? I understand mixing both in any amount isn't advisable, but realistically speaking how dangerous could a few beers be on a relatively low dose of oxycodone? 20mg of oxy gives me a mild high. I have a high alcohol tolerance and basically no opiate tolerance. Let's say I took 20mg of oxycodone and SLOWLY drank 3 or 4 beers over the course of the opiate high. Would this be that dangerous? I don't think so... I generally have 2 drinks before taking 20mg oxy and then I wait 6 hours before drinking as much as I desire for the night, but I have yet to combine them at their peak effects
 
Everything is relative. Dangerous can mean a lot of different things. Is it dangerous to ride a bike without a helmet. If you do get a head injury then no.

I personally have consumed a great deal more opiates and alcohol at once then you speak of. It was dangerous. In my case the amount of drugs I combined and consumed is dangerous by even junkie standards. I could say I would think your use is relatively light, but that would be for me. Everyone's body is different. So is their tolerance.

Can you really not figure out your own body and limits? I guess my advice would be know your body, know your source, know your mind. Also I think the greatest risk you are imposing upon yourself is another habit. I am not trying to be a dick but I never asked anyone if I can take another pill or drink another beer. I kind of just figured it out. Listen to your body.

Here is the disclaimer. I am not a doctor or a responsible person. I am just someone you have never met on the internet. I have not lied to you in any way. But I cannot tell you if something is safe or not, especially on a harm reduction site.

If I knew you personally I could say "whoah ease up on the shit" or "you will be fine dude" depending on how I perceive things.

I knew a guy who could not drink but did anyways. The same went for opiates. He had an OD and died. He had a very low tolerance, yet did massive amounts of drugs. It got to the point where I decided not to be around him because I knew he was a time bomb. See what I am saying about everyone's body being different.

Really I think this is a stupid question to ask in a harm reduction site. Its not like anyone can tell you its ok to mix those substances at high doses even if you would most likely be just fine. Figure it out yourself.
 
You're right, I am just very opiate naive, my experience only dating back to the past week... but I'm figuring it out. I've discovered a couple of drinks and 30mg oxycodone is a good combination for me, and probably a relatively low dose for most people. Honestly I don't even know why I waste my time posting on forums about it, I feel like it might just be my hypochondriac tendencies. I just figured I could use the experience of others to determine a good baseline dosage, so that I'm not wasting my time using too little or facing adverse reactions from using too much. I know well how alcohol effects me, and I'm just now learning how opiates effect me. I was always under the impression that mixing the two was a big no-no, but it honestly doesn't seem like that big of a deal. The stigma attached to opiates seems to be just that, stigma.... IMO they're just "nice." Now I just need to throw a little cocaine in the mix and I think I will have achieved the perfect high... at least for me.
 
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i think this is a terrible idea as firstly alcohol is a known potentiator of oxymorphone, of which is one of the strongest opiates available on the market. oxymorphone will most likely kill you if you take it with alcohol and have no tolerance - 10mg is enough to put you in a coffin. from what it sounds like you're going to end up with an opiate addiction onto of your alcohol dependence, and while i'm just warning you and you probably aren't interested in what i have to say regarding opiates, in 10 years down the road you'll be looking in the mirror wondering who the fuck you are.

the stigma attached to mixing them isn't a stigma. its very real. if you look at pretty much any of the deaths on opiates - you'll find that its not the opiate by itself killing people, its when people are mixing them with alcohol or benzos. all the statistics point towards that. when you start the destructive attitude that you're invincible, that its just stigma, that you're different from everyone, that you can handle it, all that crap, thats when you're most likely to end up in a coffin.

just remember every time you take opiates or any drug for that matter, you can always put more in but never take them out of yourself. don't make yourself another statistic on the internet who died from an overdose of these drugs.
 
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