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Opioids questions about kratom

mrsnowygrainius

mrsnowygrainius

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I just ordered some green borneo kratom off of amazon. what exactly is this stuff? it is an opioid right? how do i go about using it do i brew it as tea? or do i smoke it? i bought the stuff to ease heroin withdrawal cause i heard thats what it does so like on days when i can't get dope i will have kratom, is this what people do? does this stuff really help with heroin withdrawal? looking to get some answers here thanks guys
 
I'm pretty sure that it's not pharmacologically classified as an opioid but it definitely has opiate-like effects.

I've seen documentaries of heroin addicts using Kratom to make the withdrawals more bearable but don't expect it to be a replacement for the heroin high by any means.

It's an enjoyable buzz, don't get me wrong, but compared to heroin it's pretty light.

I've never heard of anybody smoking Kratom.

If you want to make tea, simply put the kratom in an empty tea bag and let it steep in boiling water for about 15 minutes. That's what I did and it worked fine. However, Kratom tastes pretty horrid so I wouldn't recommend tea.

The most efficient way to take Kratom is to just buy empty capsules and pack your own pills. You'll need to take at least 6 pills (and that's a low dose) but it's much more tolerable than tea/toss n wash/mixing with yogurt/etc

Kratom is pretty enjoyable stuff and I really hope it helps you get through the withdrawals. Best of luck quitting your addiction, you can do it!
 
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I was clean for 8 months after being in jail and all I could take was things off the radar. And I was blown away by how good the Kratom made me feel. I did however begin to get a habit towards it and would feel like shit from not taking it. But it gave me an opiate type high. Warm feeling. Talkative. Sense of well being. Just no nodding. I did however sleep very well on it
 
Hello!
There's tons of answers to your questions here, just in another topic! Try reading the last few pages, I've put some very useful info on there. The tea is usable but very weak. If you use toss n' wash method you will have much better results.
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/727164-Kratom-Mega-Thread-V-4

This basically means you mix it in water or syrup or flavoured whatever... Shoot it down like a shot and chase it with something good to get the taste away.
You can always put it in yogurt too.
 
The tea is usable but very weak.
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Your doing it wrong. I'm surprised how many people can't whip up a decent tea... all it takes is a 15 minute boil with 10-12 ounces of water, simmered on a low/medium heat (just under a boil), then strain and squeeze the pulp dry through a T-shirt (double layered). The result is a completely sedement free tea that's only half a gram less potent than 10g TnW with less side-effects, a quicker onset, and less stress on your stomach... at the cost of a shorter duration however.

The taste is very weak when strained properly and can easily be masked by lemon and chasing the tea with even water, being that you start out with only 10-12oz your end result should be only 2 big gulps. In a little over 20 minutes you can make a couple days worth of doses, however I wouldn't reccomend making more than one days worth at a time because it starts to taste pretty vile after a few days. Of course that's not to detract from TnW as a viable ROA, but anyone who says tea is weak is doing it wrong.

@Smelly - Kratom is technically an opioid
 
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As far as Kratom being an opioid, I think smellyoldwasp is right that it's not technically considered an opioid. But then if you look up the definition of opioid it's any substance which resembles natural opiates in their pharmacological effects, which kratom definitely does. So in other words if it's not considered an opioid it should be.

As far as tea goes that is just such a huge waste not to consume the actual plant matter. While Kratom is cheap relative to things like most illegal drugs, it is quite expensive relative to something like coffee (especially once your tolerance gets up there), and discarding the plant matter is frankly not very smart unless you are wealthy or something. Just mix/shake your dose up in a little bit of water or juice until it is a relatively homogenous mixture and gulp it down in a couple drinks with a chaser. IMO putting them in pills and then taking them really makes the experience much less enjoyable; the best part of kratom is right as it is kicking and you want as much as possible to hit you at the same time. The pills just seem to come on much slower and you don't get any "rush". Not saying the rush compares to IV opioids or something, but as far as orally taken drugs go, kratom comes on quickly and the come up is very enjoyable.
 
SmellyOldWasp said:
I'm pretty sure that it's not pharmacologically classified as an opioid but it definitely has opiate-like effects.
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Kratom actually has an opioid as one of the active ingredients. A chemical w mu-opioid agonisom, is the definition of an opioid btw.
 
As far as tea goes that is just such a huge waste not to consume the actual plant matter
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Half a gram more per 10 grams is a huge waste? That's somewhere around 15-20 cents worth of kratom... and if that's 15 cents you can't afford to lose you can re boil that or dry it out and save that half a gram worth of alkaloids for another time. FWIW a proper tea is more worthwhile than the same dose in capsules, likely due to better surface area and even absorption of a liquid as opposed to having to digest through a dozen capsules. Many people complain about capsules being more inneffective than TnW.

If the best part of kratom is the onset than your choosing the wrong ROA, no method of ingestion kicks in with a stronger and faster "rush" (I do use this loosely in this case) than tea. Even when mixed with a drink your body will more readily absorb a tea than plant matter mixed with liquid, not to mention how disgusting it can be drinking a muddy suspension, despite the liquid used. The difference is obvious when you reach peak effects before the 40 minute mark as opposed to up to an hour or more with a TnW. All this tells me is you haven't made a proper tea before, like most people who shit on this ROA.

Ps. Kratom may not be an opiate, but it is an opioid.
 
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Where are are you getting this apparently universal figure of half a gram of waste? Wouldn't your resulting amount of plant matter be dependent on how much plant matter you used in the first place?

Edit: Also, I never said that tea wouldn't potentially kick in faster than mixing, I just said it was more wasteful.
 
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From experience, I've been switching between tea and TnW for almost the past 5 years, 4 of those years ingesting tea %70 of the time. When done correctly, all that's needed is a half gram more per dose (or better yet, per 10g dose)... that is if you don't want to re-boil the plant matter, perform a longer boil, or dry put and save the material for another time. You can pull just about all of it if your set on doing so.

I personally am satisfied with the half gram loss at the expense of saving time on a 15 minute boil, all up to the individual. Like I said in my other post, I'm not detracting from other ROA's but a tea is anything but incredibly weak and wasteful and even comes with the benefit of a more enjoyable onset, less side-effects (no bloating), and you can dose a higher amount without encountering nausea... every ROA had it's merit.
 
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When done correctly, all that's needed is a half gram more per dose for an equivalent of my TnW dose...
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This doesn't make any sense. First of all, you don't say what size doses you are talking about. If you have to use half a gram more for every two gram dose to get the same effects as mixing (this isn't toss and wash, that is tossing the powder in your mouth and trying to drink it down with liquid, a very bad idea) hen that means you are wasting 25% of your kratom!

If you are saying that you just have to add half a gram to whatever size dose you would take that doesn't make sense either. Example, for a 12 gram dose you are going to end up with more waste matter than when making a 6 gram dose. So even if it is true that somehow taking a 6.5 gram dose of tea will get you the same exact effects as a 6 gram mixing dose, you would have to add more than half a gram to the 12 gram mixing dose to get equivalent effects with tea.
 
It does, re-read my edited post... .5g per 10g dose. Adding half a gram for every ten grams creates a proper equivalent IME, and even then the difference is trivial. Being that this thread isn't about tea debate feel free to PM me if your still having any questions, I promise I'll be patient and answer them all. Better yet you can actually try and experiment with making tea yourself and test your results with my findings :). Believe it or not, I'm not just pulling stuff outta my ass for the sake of arguement here. (Crazy right?)
 
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It does, re-read my edited post... .5g per 10g dose.
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So yeah, you edited that post AFTER I had already called you out on that, and right before I posted my last post so I didn't see it before I posted it. Also, I don't believe for a second that you can make tea with 10.5 grams, not swallow the resulting plant matter, and get anywhere close to the same effect I can by mixing 10 grams and drinking it all down. Maybe if you made tea with that same 10.5 grams a dozen times you might start to get somewhere close to the same net effect over the time it takes you to drink it all.

Trust me, if you are actually discarding your used plant matter after you make tea then you are wasting A LOT of your kratom.
 
Ugh... are you some fucking child? Instead of taking out of your ass and acting like a weiner because somebody came to a different result here's a tip you may not have thought of... learn how to make a tea and try it out? Your in no position to say what is and isn't wasteful being that you either fail to make a tea or your results have been failures...

So what if I edited my post to clarify what I meant, is pointing out that my dose is 10gs some gamebreaking conspiracy or something? Get over yourself and stop acting like a 5 year old... If someone wants to take the advice of someone as ignorant as you on the subject of tea over someone who has been making tea for half a decade that's on them... just voicing my experiences.
 
CaptainKratom said:
From experience, I've been switching between tea and TnW for almost the past 5 years, 4 of those years ingesting tea %70 of the time. When done correctly, all that's needed is a half gram more per dose (or better yet, per 10g dose)... that is if you don't want to re-boil the plant matter, perform a longer boil, or dry put and save the material for another time. You can pull just about all of it if your set on doing so.

I personally am satisfied with the half gram loss at the expense of saving time on a 15 minute boil, all up to the individual. Like I said in my other post, I'm not detracting from other ROA's but a tea is anything but incredibly weak and wasteful and even comes with the benefit of a more enjoyable onset, less side-effects (no bloating), and you can dose a higher amount without encountering nausea... every ROA had it's merit.
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There's bloating?? :?
 
For everyone, no, but for many people ingesting huge amounts of capsules or plant matter can cause bloating, this is mainly an issue with people with higher tolerances who have to eat large amounts.
 
CaptainKratom said:
Ugh... are you some fucking child? Instead of taking out of your ass and acting like a weiner because somebody came to a different result here's a tip you may not have thought of... learn how to make a tea and try it out? Your in no position to say what is and isn't wasteful being that you either fail to make a tea or your results have been failures...

So what if I edited my post to clarify what I meant, is pointing out that my dose is 10gs some gamebreaking conspiracy or something? Get over yourself and stop acting like a 5 year old... If someone wants to take the advice of someone as ignorant as you on the subject of tea over someone who has been making tea for half a decade that's on them... just voicing my experiences.
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You can waste as much kratom as your little heart desires, I truly don't care. I just want to make sure that the OP and others new to kratom that may be reading this thread don't incorrectly think that making tea and discarding kratom will get them anywhere close to the effect as consuming it, on a by weight basis. The OP asked about how to consume kratom, so honestly a discussion about why which way is best seems perfectly appropriate. You're the one that seems to be getting offended here. And in response to who may or may not be a child, I refer you to whoever amongst us still uses the insult "weiner".
 
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Leveled measuring teaspoons? That's somewhere around 5gs, a pretty standard dose. Most new users with no tolerance start in the 3-5g range, your tolerance is fine :)
 
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