Benzos questions about klonopin,rohypnol and benzo tolerance

[hatethered]

hey guys, im rx'd 4mg generic klonopin everymorning i chew the two pills up.
i have had an rx for about 6-8 weeks now. i feel the klonopin doesn' seem like its not doing a great job anymore, but was very happy with it the first 4 weeks in.

now, i am getting 20x 1mg rohypnol pills (not through doc through) soon..... so with my benzo tolerance the way it is...how much rohypnol should i take the first time i take it.. i've heard i should take 1-3mg with my benzo tolerance.

ive heard other opinions, but i would like everyones

so?....how much rohypnol mg's should i take the first time i take them?
i'v been taking 4mg klonopin for about 8 weeks. and i read that klonopin and rohypnol are the same type of benzo
thanks,drew

 

[klowns]

well if you take 4 mg klonopine take 8 mg royhypnol. its only half as potent.

 

[Morphinator]

Well, clonazepam (Klonopin) is approximately 2x more potent than flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is (0.5 mg clonazepam = 1 mg flunitrazepam). However, with flunitrazepam, you are looking at a much stronger benzo - it's an hypnotic. It will have you heavily sedated and motor functions will be heavily impaired compared to clonazepam, regardless of the fact that clonazepam is 2 times more potent.

You probably got rx'd clonazepam for anxiety or some kind of panic disorder or phobia, and clonazepam is a very powerful anxiolytic. As an anxiolytic, clonazepam is probably better than flunitrazepam, but I can't be sure because most of the hypnotic benzos are stronger in almost all benzodiazepine-type effects (anxiolysis, sedation, amnesia, muscle relaxation, etc), despite the fact that most of the hypnotics are less potent mg for mg than many of the anxiolytics.

To answer your question, 4 mg clonazepam would roughly be equivalent to 8 mg flunitrazepam according to most equivalency charts. *But* DO NOT take 8 mg of flunitrazepam. Like I said, the hypnotics are typically stronger and risk for amnesia, respiratory depression, toxicity, other problems, and ultimately death, are greater (numerous studies have shown the hypnotic benzos are more fatal than previously thought - especially flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, and temazepam - read the Swedish study I posted), especially here, since clonazepam is a powerful anxiolytic, yet a very weak sedative (weak even for an anxiolytic). Becareful, I'd take just 2 mg of flunitrazepam first and see how that works. However, I suggest you switch to another anxiolytic like alprazolam (Xanax), which is equipotent to clonazepam, but has stronger sedative effects. It's a powerful anxiolytic aswell, but clonazepam tends to be the stronger anti-anxiety agent. Still, you have other options - plain old diazepam (Valium) might work well for you, or bromazepam (Lexotan), which is a powerful anxiolytic on par with clonazepam and alprazolam might be good. Bromazepam is a bit more sedating than clonazepam, but less sedating than alprazolam. Though it works just as well for anxiety as both.

 

[klowns]

quote "However, with flunitrazepam, you are looking at a much stronger benzo -"

what the fuck dude? how can that be, when kpin is EVEN ACCORDING TO YOU twice as potent.
and yes if this dude takes 4 mg kpin all at once, 8 mg royhypnol is not going to harm him or be too much. i would think itd be the perfect dose, but too each his own.

 

[klowns]

oh alos, kpin ggets people WATED out of thewir fucking skulls dude. dont think its a weak benzo. it trashes people. its just as strong as triazolam, but lasts a million times longer.

 

[Ham-milton]

Flunitrazepam, despite being less potent, is a stronger benzo. Once you can't get high on benzos anymore- and that day comes eventually- flunitrazepam will still knock you out.

Potency is not equal to strength.

 

[hatethered]

thanks for the responses, the question is how much rohypnol should i take the first time i do it with my benzo tolerance...since its known as the "roofie" i was expecting it to be very strong.

i can't get too high on klonopin (4mg) if i wanted to get high and feeling good these are the doses i would take
6-7mg klonopin on empty stomach
5-6mg xanax

I know Flunitrazepam is a much stronger benzo and some say most euphoric
I am glad im getting it because i need a strong benzo and i dont think my doc will rx any more i might be able to get 1x 2mg xanax x.r a day added, i feel i need it. The only other hypnotic benzo ive taken is temazepam, i forgot how much i took but i do know i was off my rocker.

 

[Morphinator]

^ Exactly what I mean Ham-Milton.

Once you go through lorazepam, diazepam, oxazepam and then go on "up the ladder" to bromazepam, alprazolam, and clonazepam and they stop working, it will be the hypnotics (temazepam, flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, triazolam, nimetazepam, brotizolam, etc) that will keep working.

Clonazepam is a very POTENT benzo by WEIGHT. This does not mean that all it's actions on the CNS are going to be strong. Fact is, clonazepam is one of the most potent benzos on a weight basis. It is also likely the strongest acting anxiolytic among the anxiolytic benzos, its anticonvulsant action is also very strong. However, its got relatively weak muscle-relaxant and sedative/hypnotic effects.

Potency does not equal a powerful effect on the CNS. Clonazepam and alprazolam are both much more potent by weight than nitrazepam and temazepam, yet nitrazepam and temazepam have considerably stronger sedative/hypnotic effects.

You should also know that many of the "hypnotic benzos" are stronger anti-anxiety agents than even the strongest anxiolytic benzos (clonazepam, alprazolam, bromazepam, etc). This is true of other effects - like did you know that nimetazepam (a hypnotic) is the most powerful anticonvulsant benzo? Did you know that nitrazepam and temazepam also have stronger anticonvulsant effects than clonazepam and lorazepam do? Yet, they are not typically used for such purposes because the chances of side effects are greater.

So, just because a chart says 0.5 mg = 1 mg flunitrazepam, it does not mean that you would need 8 mg of flunitrazepam to equal 4 mg of clonazepam. It all depends on what you are using it for. Yes, maybe 0.5 mg clonazepam might have stronger anxiolytic effects than 1 mg of flunitrazepam, but its not going to be more sedative/hypnotic.
0.5 mg clonazepam isn't even as sedative as 6 mg bromazepam (which is an "equipotent" dose), and bromazepam isn't a particularily sedating benzo.

 

[Morphinator]

thanks for the responses, the question is how much rohypnol should i take the first time i do it with my benzo tolerance...since its known as the "roofie" i was expecting it to be very strong.

i can't get too high on klonopin (4mg) if i wanted to get high and feeling good these are the doses i would take
6-7mg klonopin on empty stomach
5-6mg xanax

I know Flunitrazepam is a much stronger benzo and some say most euphoric
I am glad im getting it because i need a strong benzo and i dont think my doc will rx any more i might be able to get 1x 2mg xanax x.r a day added, i feel i need it. The only other hypnotic benzo ive taken is temazepam, i forgot how much i took but i do know i was off my rocker.

Like I said, don't follow the charts all the time.

I also have a high tolerance and I get prescribed alprazolam. I take about 7 mg to get a good effect, yet I get a stronger and more euphoric effect from about 165 mg of temazepam (charts say 0.5 mg alpraz = 20 mg temazepam - which would mean 280 mg of temazepam = 7 mg alprazolam - yet, I get a stronger effect from 165 mg temaz then I do from 7 mg alpraz).

Start the flunitrazepam with 2 mg and see what happens.

 

[hatethered]

ok. I've come to the conclusion im taking 1.5mg of what im getting, and see how it hits me. im looking forward to them, the person im getting them from claims its the ONLY euphoric benzo and reccomended a couple beers or toke up with it. i plan to smoke pot with it but i wont be drinking.
i'd say these 1mg rohypnol are worth at least 5 bucks a piece around here in dallas, they just dont exsist.

 

[klowns]

sorry dude but morphinator is full of shit. POTENCY *DOES* equal Strength. and if you think klonopin isnt strong acting, your fucking fooling yourself. but noone else. when your on it you think all is great! others around you see you as a trashed motherfucker. i promise.
and dude, with your tolerance, i would DEFINATLY take 8 mg royhyp to get high. sure theres an incomplete cross tolerance, so maybe 6, but man it is NOT STRONGER than klonopin in ANY WAY.
morphiator, you may *feel* (subjective. tis way too subjective) more euphoric off royhyp. this does not mean taht it is stronger than klonopin. most people i know cant walk for 2 days if they take kpin. it is the king, halcion is the queen, and xanax is there best friend who chills with them at all times, so i guess they have threesomes.
royhypnol is there slave girl, who is still pretty sexy, but nothing like the royalties.

 

[klowns]

Keep the pricing discussions to the Pricing Thread. -GM

 

[hatethered]

no man i just really was hoping for rohypnol to be much better than i thought.
thats the only reason i was saying 5 bucks....

the prices around here for regular 2mg xanax bars are 3-4 a piece around here in dallas.

the ONLY bars i ever payed 5 a piece for were stupid tranquinol argentinan bars, and the were NOT very effective
am i really going to have to take 8mg of this stuff? i dont think so.
potency is not equal to strength of the benzo.
i would say anyone with a 4mg klonopin tolerance (one like mine) should take around 2mg rohypnol for a good "benzo" high. from the research i've been doing i think i'll stick with 2mg my first go ...thanks for your opinion im just trying to get to the bottom of this.

 

[Morphinator]

sorry dude but morphinator is full of shit. POTENCY *DOES* equal Strength. and if you think klonopin isnt strong acting, your fucking fooling yourself. but noone else. when your on it you think all is great! others around you see you as a trashed motherfucker. i promise.
and dude, with your tolerance, i would DEFINATLY take 8 mg royhyp to get high. sure theres an incomplete cross tolerance, so maybe 6, but man it is NOT STRONGER than klonopin in ANY WAY.
morphiator, you may *feel* (subjective. tis way too subjective) more euphoric off royhyp. this does not mean taht it is stronger than klonopin. most people i know cant walk for 2 days if they take kpin. it is the king, halcion is the queen, and xanax is there best friend who chills with them at all times, so i guess they have threesomes.
royhypnol is there slave girl, who is still pretty sexy, but nothing like the royalties.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about here. You're saying "tis way too subjective", yet you are rambling like a lunatic about kings, queens, slave girls, and benzos? 8)

The benzo potency equivalency charts are not what you look at to find what benzo will better knock you out or which one will leave you anxiety free.

Again, potency doesn't equal strength. Clonazepam being potent doesn't mean anything but the fact that it is active at very small doses (0.5, 1 & 2 mg). Clonazepam is approximately 100x more potent than tetrazepam (0.5 mg clonazepam = 50 mg tetrazepam according to most charts), yet at those dosages, tetrazepam has a much more powerful effect on the muscles.

It's the same thing with flunitrazepam and clonazepam. Clonazepam is 2x more potent, but that's it. Flunitrazepams sedative-hypnotic effects are much more powerful. Not only that, but it has a more profound effect on memory and stronger muscle relaxant effects. Now, clonazepam is likely a stronger anxiolytic, but I'm not sure whether clonazepam is a stronger anticonvulsant because like I've already said, studies have shown that nitrazepam, temazepam, and nimetazepam all to be stronger anticonvulsants than clonazepam, lorazepam, and diazepam. But as you can see, they are not used as anticonvulsants (they're used, but in extremely rare cases) - but clonazepam, lorazepam, and diazepam are , do you know precisely why? Because of what I have been talking about all this time - though they may be very effective anticonvulsants, the strong sedative-hypnotic and motor-impairing side effects that are too common with the use of nitrazepam, temazepam, and nimetazepam make them bad choices to use as anticonvulsants, especially when there are other meds that have less side effects. Midazolam is the only hypnotic benzo used as an anticonvulsant and it's often used in more serious cases ie. status epilepticus.

 

[Morphinator]

Hypnotics benzos are the strongest benzodiazepines because they are much stronger omega 1 receptor agonists than all other benzos, regardless of potency. Hypnotics are also strong omega 2 receptor agonists, but some other benzos (bromazepam, alprazolam, clonazepam) are just as strong omega 2 receptor agonists (this receptor mediates anxiolytic effects).

 

[Morphinator]

BTW klowns, flunitrazepam isn't even my benzo of choice. In fact, I never found it to be as strong or euphoric as people make it out to be. Flunitrazepam seems to take time before it kicks in, at least it does when compared to most other hypnotics, which most usually can be felt before even hitting the 30 minute mark after consumption. I prefer temazepam and nitrazepam over any other benzo, hypnotic or otherwise.

 

[klowns]

sorry man but you need to do some reading.
KONOPIN IS the strongest anticonvulsant MUCH stronger in that sense than royhyp as well. infact kpin is the only one i know of that is INDICATED directly as an anti convulstant for the use of epilepsy
jesus.
whatever this will go nowehere so i will peacefuly step out now and I agree to diagree with you. hope you do the same, but do soem reading becsaue you are wrong, and kpin has a PROFOUND MOTHERFUCKING effect on memory. it wipes people out. its STRONG as fuck man, you try and telll anyon kpin doesnt get you wasted youll be laughed out of the city
peace

 

[klowns]

and further, sense his tolerance to kpin i so high, theres no way 2 mg of royhyp will get him even close to high. especialy since he said 4 mg is his maintenence dose, and tahat it takes more like 7 or 8 to get high. its GOING to take more roofie than that man

 

[Morphinator]

I didn't say clonazepam wasn't "strong" or that it had no effect on memory, I'm saying it is a very strong omega 2 receptor agonist, which makes it a very powerful anxiolytic and a decent anticonvulsant, but it's no where near flunitrazepam's league as far as amnesia or sedation go.

Just because clonazepam is "indicated" for epilepsy it does not make it the strongest anticonvulsant. Almost all benzos can be used to manage seizures, it's just that some have advantages over others - and strength isn't always the factor. In fact, clonazepam isn't the only benzo indicated for epilepsy - diazepam, lorazepam, and midazolam are also indicated for various types of seizures.

Clonazepam is almost exclusively used to help prevent or reduce the chances of getting a seizure. Diazepam, midazolam and lorazepam (this is the favored one because of half-life) are stronger anticonvulsants then clonazepam, they are used parenterally for more acute situations ie. status epilepticus.
However, just because these 4 are "indicated" for seizures it doesn't make them the strongest.

 

[Ham-milton]

Klowns, if you can't manage to get a sentence out in a coherent manner, you probably shouldn't post here any more. Clonazepam is rarely used in cases of seizures, actually. Diazepam and Lorazepam are much more preferred. Not that clonazepam isn't use, it's just not the most likely or best.

Your potency chart is making judgements based upon what they're looking for. If you're looking for most potent anxiolytic (as those charts are), that's accurate.

And just because clonazepam may be one of the more potent benzos doesn't mean that it's the most euphoric (it's not) or one of the most recreational benzos, or for that matter, one of the most sedating benzos.

The "hypnotic benzos" tend to be less potent, but much more recreational and will give you a good buzz even once you've got a massive tolerance.

Temazepam, one of the least potent benzos, is one of the most euphoric, and it's also one of the few that never seems to lose it's ability to fuck you up.